Analysis 2019 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[caesar88]

Lloyd "banished" to the back pocket but remains one of our most important players and won the B&F. Could it be he's in exactly the right position?

Because he's that good he can still impact games. But his run and skill isn't being used anywhere near as effectively as I think it should be.

 

[The Gong]

Harley spoke about pushing Lloyd into the midfield during the trade week. I'd expect him to remain in the back half but they seem to rate his disposal usage so wouldn't be surprised to see him pushed up at times as well

Yep and no problem with that. But to say he was "banished" to the back pocket, as ceaser88 put it, implies either the coaches are intentionally punishing him for some reason or have absolutely no idea what they're doing. I'd suggest he's been placed there for a very specific and strategic reason and it's paid off handsomely.

By all means have a shot at Horse for legit reasons but he's also getting potted for his choices that are working very well and as intended. He can't win a trick on here.

 

[The Gong]

Because he's that good he can still impact games. But his run and skill isn't being used anywhere near as effectively as I think it should be.

You do realise that the entire team can't play in the midfield? That run and carry and his excellent delivery out of the backline is one of the major reasons our defense has held together so well when they've been seriously under the pump this year. He's great at getting that ball out from deep in our defensive line and turning it back into attack....until it breaks down in the middle or the forward line LOL. Those areas need fixing but i wouldn't use Lloyd to do that.

 

[connolly]

Yep and no problem with that. But to say he was "banished" to the back pocket, as ceaser88 put it, implies either the coaches are intentionally punishing him for some reason or have absolutely no idea what they're doing. I'd suggest he's been placed there for a very specific and strategic reason and it's paid off handsomely.

By all means have a shot at Horse for legit reasons but he's also getting potted for his choices that are working very well and as intended. He can't win a trick on here.

I think the criticism of the Longmire's game plan is that we defend very deep, much deeper than any team in the comp. So yes there is a logic to playing a fast creative player in the back pocket. A more attacking coach would have him playing across the half back line and rebounding through the middle. Which is also where he should have played Gary Rohan, a player who was consistently played out of position because of the defensive game plan. Hope Gary carves it up playing in a rebounding role for Geelong.

 

[The King!]

I think the criticism of the Longmire's game plan is that we defend very deep, much deeper than any team in the comp. So yes there is a logic to playing a fast creative player in the back pocket. A more attacking coach would have him playing across the half back line and rebounding through the middle. Which is also where he should have played Gary Rohan, a player who was consistently played out of position because of the defensive game plan. Hope Gary carves it up playing in a rebounding role for Geelong.

you mean the position Gary shat the bed in against the hawks in 2014 ?

 

[McRobie]

you mean the position Gary shat the bed in against the hawks in 2014 ?

What was it? 5 touches?

 

[dosser]

Yep and that's mine. Do you need me to be anymore clearer ?

Sorry, I misinterpreted. When you said "fact", you actually meant "opinion". My mistake.

 

[The Gong]

I think the criticism of the Longmire's game plan is that we defend very deep, much deeper than any team in the comp. So yes there is a logic to playing a fast creative player in the back pocket. A more attacking coach would have him playing across the half back line and rebounding through the middle. Which is also where he should have played Gary Rohan, a player who was consistently played out of position because of the defensive game plan. Hope Gary carves it up playing in a rebounding role for Geelong.

Fair commentary but for a back pocket player Lloyd essentially plays a half back flanker role when distributing the ball as it is anyway though he does start deeper. I think our bigger issue was that players either didn't have license or the capacity to move the ball through the middle. We went to a deep target on the wing without a consistent tall marking option that a player like Reid provides and it would either come back in or get bogged down near the boundary. I've got my fingers crossed that adjustments are being made to start focusing on movement through the corridor more regularly but I'd want Lloyd working out of the back 50 and hitting up targets in the middle with accurate kicks. I like what Lloyd gives us right now so I wouldn't rob Peter to pay Paul.

Jones on the other hand also runs the ball out of defence but he hasn't got as silky skills as Lloyd so I'd be happier using Jones' speed as an outsider runner through the middle. He's good enough to receive the ball, give it burst of speed and get a deep forward entry and has enough physical presence to scrap when he needs to.

 

[6yearsold]

You might be right. I view Jones as being big enough to be the inside mid or second possession player that we need. What does Junior do that Jones can't? Both are tough and love putting their head over the ball with poor disposal. His acceleration and ability to evade players within a few metres is excellent. He's not huge but he's as tough as old boots. Sure, his disposal is average at best but if he can be encouraged to handball to a teammate within 15m instead of chucking it on his boot I think we'd have a winner.

I have always thought jones was a very good kick.

 

[The Gong]

I have always thought jones was a very good kick.

He's a long kick and he is improving but he also turns it over a lot in my opinion. Tends to blaze away quite a bit but I'm OK with that if he's playing through the middle more and it means we get some deep forward entries and can play it in our forward half.

If you compare him to McVeigh or Lloyd I wouldn't say Jones is a very good kick. Even Aliir, who can look a little unorthodox, is more accurate with his delivery off halfback.

 

[kelpie_X]

Heeney and Mills to the midfield builds some steam..

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2018-12-12/heeney-mills-await-big-2019-campaign

If ya gonna do it, just ****ing do it! They'll be bloody 30 before being full time mids if we keep going at this rate

 

[The King!]

Heeney and Mills to the midfield builds some steam..

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2018-12-12/heeney-mills-await-big-2019-campaign

believe it when i see it

we lead the league in summer puff pieces these days

 

[BloodySwan]

believe it when i see it

we lead the league in summer puff pieces these days

Wasn't everyone complaining that last off season we didn't publish enough?

 

[TheMase]

Wasn't everyone complaining that last off season we didn't publish enough?

My thoughts exactly!

 

[Deccas]

Pretty strange (scary) to think that Sam Reid is our experienced forward in the best shape for round 1 next year. Buddy and Menzel both delayed, Reid made of paper. Not beyond the realms of possibility that Sinclair and Naismith may be in the same team after all..

Buddy is expected to resume trainingnin January and I've heard nothing about him being delayed for round 1.

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[The King!]

Wasn't everyone complaining that last off season we didn't publish enough?

Everyone?
Well I wasn’t I think the club has been peddling fluff more often than not like the unswanslike shit

 

[Wayne Swan]

If ya gonna do it, just ******* do it! They'll be bloody 30 before being full time mids if we keep going at this rate

The substantially beefed up Mills seen in training pics indicates that he is at last bound for the centre square. Obviously put in big gym sessions after he injured his ankle this year.

 

[sataris]

Slowly getting more and more excited for 2019

 

[GotTheGoodes]

I'm with you sataris. I'm very bullish about next season. Top 4 bullish.

 

[caesar88]

Yep and no problem with that. But to say he was "banished" to the back pocket, as ceaser88 put it, implies either the coaches are intentionally punishing him for some reason or have absolutely no idea what they're doing. I'd suggest he's been placed there for a very specific and strategic reason and it's paid off handsomely.

By all means have a shot at Horse for legit reasons but he's also getting potted for his choices that are working very well and as intended. He can't win a trick on here.

Except I don’t think this particular choice is working. In Lloyd you have a player who can run hard, with good pace, and the best target hitter in our side besides Buddy. All signs point to a player who could be incredibly damaging on the wing as an outside mid. Instead, he’s in the back 50, often as the designated kick-in. Because we are always under pressure in our defensive half, Lloyd is getting less and less time and space to run and create, and his great disposals by foot are often directed no more than 30m as has been well discussed on here. Now if those 30m passes were being directed straight into the breadbasket of Buddy or Reid, I would consider THAT to be an example of great coaching. We’d be utilising Lloyd’s hard running and pace to get it inside 50 quicker, and using his quality target-hitting by foot to get it inside 50 cleaner. That to me would be totally maximising a player’s capacity. But when those 30m passes are going sideways on the last line of defence, and he’s in a position where he can’t generate any kind of run or creativity, that is wasteful to me, and I disagree that it’s working well because it’s part of the reason we can never get it out of our back half.

I do agree with you that some people just like to take pot shots at Horse for no valid reason, but I’d like to politely exempt myself from that portion because I’ve just stated above my opinions about a specific case where I don’t think Horse’s strategy is working. That’s my opinion and you may disagree with it but that doesn’t invalidate it.

 

[caesar88]

I'm with you sataris. I'm very bullish about next season. Top 4 bullish.

I’m excited in the sense that it’s going to be a radically different looking Swans outfit IMO. Like 2016 again, only I don’t think we’ll have all our stars in All Australian form this time around, which could be the difference between top 4 and potentially missing the finals. At the end of the day, the line really is that fine in this competition.

But it will be exciting to see new Swans faces becoming AA-worthy players. Seeing Heeney, Hewett, Aliir, Jones and even Hayward or Florent go to that next level would leave me rapt.

 

[caesar88]

Buddy is expected to resume trainingnin January and I've heard nothing about him being delayed for round 1.

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By resume training do you mean normal training or the kind of training Buddy was doing this year that didn’t really do him any favours?

 

[The Gong]

Except I don’t think this particular choice is working. In Lloyd you have a player who can run hard, with good pace, and the best target hitter in our side besides Buddy. All signs point to a player who could be incredibly damaging on the wing as an outside mid. Instead, he’s in the back 50, often as the designated kick-in. Because we are always under pressure in our defensive half, Lloyd is getting less and less time and space to run and create, and his great disposals by foot are often directed no more than 30m as has been well discussed on here. Now if those 30m passes were being directed straight into the breadbasket of Buddy or Reid, I would consider THAT to be an example of great coaching. We’d be utilising Lloyd’s hard running and pace to get it inside 50 quicker, and using his quality target-hitting by foot to get it inside 50 cleaner. That to me would be totally maximising a player’s capacity. But when those 30m passes are going sideways on the last line of defence, and he’s in a position where he can’t generate any kind of run or creativity, that is wasteful to me, and I disagree that it’s working well because it’s part of the reason we can never get it out of our back half.

I do agree with you that some people just like to take pot shots at Horse for no valid reason, but I’d like to politely exempt myself from that portion because I’ve just stated above my opinions about a specific case where I don’t think Horse’s strategy is working. That’s my opinion and you may disagree with it but that doesn’t invalidate it.

More than fair commentary.

 

[The Gong]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-12-14/joey-gets-some-mates-swans-return-to-cocaptaincy-model

Did I say Parker was a potential future captain?

I meant he's a current co-captain. Congrats to him and Rampe.

I think it's a good model and will relieve some of the pressure on Joey.

 

[The King!]

I'm with you sataris. I'm very bullish about next season. Top 4 bullish.

You might be drunk