2019 Trade thread

[BRAB]

16, 21 and Taylor?


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I wouldn't do this if I were Sydney.

 

[ImAFreeMan]

I wouldn't do this if I were Sydney.

Good thing you’re not! #ConsiderItDone


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[M Malice]

I wouldn't do this if I were Sydney.

What if we threw in Basti as well?

 

[Nunez]

16, 21 and Taylor?


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I'd be happy to offer 16 + 2020 first + 21 + Taylor tbh. Next years first will probably end up a pick in the 20s and if we can get a gun draftee then it'll be worth our while imo.

 

[BRAB]

I'd be happy to offer 16 + 2020 first + 21 + Taylor tbh. Next years first will probably end up a pick in the 20s and if we can get a gun draftee then it'll be worth our while imo.

Well said Nunez. This is why I have so much respect for you.

 

[briztoon]

I'd be happy to offer 16 + 2020 first + 21 + Taylor tbh. Next years first will probably end up a pick in the 20s and if we can get a gun draftee then it'll be worth our while imo.

If a team finishes top 4, almost guaranteed that they’ll be picking in the 20’s.

 

[Nunez]

If a team finishes top 4, almost guaranteed that they’ll be picking in the 20’s.

I would have us in the race for top four again next year given the natural improvement of the 7 1-3 year players who played in our finals series this year. Definitely worth the trade.

 

[morsie]

Sorry to interject but I'm pretty sure his partner is from Melbourne and went over to Perth with him and now she wants to return to Victoria.

Thanks for that

 

[morsie]

Because Melb were happy to pay over the odds for Langdon and Hawthorn played fair but in a very different trading environment. You favour Bell's approach, that's fine. I don't.

Not saying I favour it but can understand it.I just think Bell is a little more nuanced than people give him credit for.

 

[briztoon]

I would have us in the race for top four again next year given the natural improvement of the 7 1-3 year players who played in our finals series this year. Definitely worth the trade.

Another part of the discussion is the perceived weakness of next years draft class.

No underagers made this years U18 All Australian team, and as has been noted by every recruiter on Road to the Draft (and by Noble on radio) is that this years draft class aren’t a very skilled group overall.

It speaks volumes that no underagers could crack this years U18 AA team.

Add in discussions that 5 of the top 10 kids next year are already tied to clubs.

There’s two kids I like at the top of next years draft, after that I don’t have a good feel of next years draft crop, other than we have some academy kids who might be draft-able in the second half of the draft.

 

[Dodongo]

I'd be happy to offer 16 + 2020 first + 21 + Taylor tbh. Next years first will probably end up a pick in the 20s and if we can get a gun draftee then it'll be worth our while imo.

Dodongo really doesn't understand why people make a thing of a pick being later. Dodongo sees it all the time.

If you look at it normally. Lets say we have pick 16 and it ends up being pick 20, it is still effectively pick 16 because the chances of picking up someones academy kid or father son is next to none.

For example. This is something Dodongo has made.

Lets say we had pick 16 and Adelaide had pick 12. In a normal draft, player A, player B, player C and player D will be available that we want - one of them will be there and its not an academy pick or father son.

Adelaide bid on a father son, they still have player A, B, C, D there. They take player D. Another team bids and its matched then they take Player B. Our pick is 2 away and we still have Player A and C that we will get. Even if a team doesnt match and the academy/fs, the same players will be there.

Draft is only compromised and pick being pushed back is only a big deal if the team at that pick wanted an academy/fs selection and who would? Apart from Dunkley, what hasn't been matched in the first or second round.

Dodongo's tl;dr part.

Unless your targeted list is someones academy or fs selection, your pick is still the same pick regardless of how far it is pushed back.

 

[jjami15]

I'd be happy to offer 16 + 2020 first + 21 + Taylor tbh. Next years first will probably end up a pick in the 20s and if we can get a gun draftee then it'll be worth our while imo.

When you first look at it you think that’s crazy however that 2020 first rounder would be invaluable to the Swans with their TWO highly rated academy players coming through.

Edit: the more I think about this the more I like it, imagine getting a Lachlan Ash or Hayden Young into the backhalf?

 

[Scubaveg]

I'd be happy to offer 16 + 2020 first + 21 + Taylor tbh. Next years first will probably end up a pick in the 20s and if we can get a gun draftee then it'll be worth our while imo.

Actually hadn’t thought about how compromised next years draft is. Thinking about it, I’d do that.


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[Nunez]

When you first look at it you think that’s crazy however that 2020 first rounder would be invaluable to the Swans with their TWO highly rated academy players coming through.

Edit: the more I think about this the more I like it, imagine getting a Lachlan Ash or Hayden Young into the backhalf?

@ Noble get it done my friend.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

The Lions are definitely trying to trade up.

 

[jjami15]

The Lions are definitely trying to trade up.

But the Q is how high and what are they willing to give up, damn you Nunez!

 

[Brizzys Squizzy]

Question has anyone actually seen Ah Chee play what would be the difference between him and Cox who I've seen a lot at NEAFL level

Achee very strong overhead mark and elite kick and bigger build than cox.

 

[briztoon]

Dodongo really doesn't understand why people make a thing of a pick being later. Dodongo sees it all the time.

If you look at it normally. Lets say we have pick 16 and it ends up being pick 20, it is still effectively pick 16 because the chances of picking up someones academy kid or father son is next to none.

For example. This is something Dodongo has made.

Lets say we had pick 16 and Adelaide had pick 12. In a normal draft, player A, player B, player C and player D will be available that we want - one of them will be there and its not an academy pick or father son.

Adelaide bid on a father son, they still have player A, B, C, D there. They take player D. Another team bids and its matched then they take Player B. Our pick is 2 away and we still have Player A and C that we will get. Even if a team doesnt match and the academy/fs, the same players will be there.

Draft is only compromised and pick being pushed back is only a big deal if the team at that pick wanted an academy/fs selection and who would? Apart from Dunkley, what hasn't been matched in the first or second round.

Dodongo's tl;dr part.

Unless your targeted list is someones academy or fs selection, your pick is still the same pick regardless of how far it is pushed back.

I understand and agree with what you’re saying, but there’s a little bit more to it than just sliding back 4 or 5 picks.

It’s the quality of players available.

Everyone thinks great we’ve still got a first round pick, even though it’s a late first round pick.

But what if the players at that point in the draft are perceived as not really first round quality kids.


And the double whammy is teams moving significantly back from where their academy kids are rated. So it’s possible teams like the Dogs and the Swans will move their first picks out of the first round.

So the Dogs won’t be matching a bid at 5 with pick 12. They’ll be matching with two or three second rounders. While another team has traded up in to the dogs spot, and using that pick as a live selection.


And the triple whammy is Gold Coast able to prelist their academy kids, and not having to use their mid first round pick to match an early bid on their academy kid.


So yes it’s the same pool of kids available to every team, it’s just that due to the perceived lack of quality kids, an end of first round pick is not perceived to have the same value as it would in a “normal” draft.

 

[briztoon]

But the Q is how high and what are they willing to give up, damn you Nunez!

Would you be happy to “vastly” over pay to do a GWS move, by potentially giving up 3 late first round picks to move up in to the top 6?

If GWS do acquire Melbournes pick 3, wonder if they’re targeting Hayden Young.

Lachlan Ash or Caleb Serong would then be the two probable kids for Melbourne at pick 6.

So ideally we want to move up to 4 or 5 for Lachlan Ash or Dylan Stephens.

Or 9 for either Will Gould, Brodie Kemp or Sam Flanders.

 

[BangyBangy]

Would you be happy to “vastly” over pay to do a GWS move, by potentially giving up 3 late first round picks to move up in to the top 6?

If GWS do acquire Melbournes pick 3, wonder if they’re targeting Hayden Young.

Lachlan Ash or Caleb Serong would then be the two probable kids for Melbourne at pick 6.

So ideally we want to move up to 4 or 5 for Lachlan Ash or Dylan Stephens.

Or 9 for either Will Gould, Brodie Kemp or Sam Flanders.

I would give anything for us to pick up Flanders. Have zero idea about him as a footballer either.

 

[trikster]

I would give anything for us to pick up Flanders. Have zero idea about him as a footballer either.

Just so he can be the new face of our NEDS sponsor advertising no doubt

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Would you be happy to “vastly” over pay to do a GWS move, by potentially giving up 3 late first round picks to move up in to the top 6?

If GWS do acquire Melbournes pick 3, wonder if they’re targeting Hayden Young.

Lachlan Ash or Caleb Serong would then be the two probable kids for Melbourne at pick 6.

So ideally we want to move up to 4 or 5 for Lachlan Ash or Dylan Stephens.

Or 9 for either Will Gould, Brodie Kemp or Sam Flanders.

Helter skelter between clubs trying to trade up. Tom Browne tweeting that Carlton and Melb were trying to do a swap to trade up but it fell over. No detail so anybody's guess what that would be. Future picks nearly a must in any deal.

 

[BangyBangy]

Just so he can be the new face of our NEDS sponsor advertising no doubt

I didn't think of that one. But yes!!! Also, we'd have Skinner & Flanders. C'mon dude. Think of the meme's.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Don’t forget to gamblediddly childerinos!

 

[lionshine]

I would love for us to trade up to the Swans pick 5 and nab one of Caleb Serong or Lachlan Ash.