Opinion 2020 Draft #2: 1/9/22/23/40/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, Haw 4th, Freo 4th)

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KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates

As God is my witness, finding anything useful on the AFL.com.au site is practically impossible, may whoever designed it burn in hell.​

 

[MRB37]

Seems James Rowe to Carlton is gaining momentum.

 

[Mego Red]

It isn't even in the same postcode as "good". It's about as close to "good" as Perth is to Adelaide, when taken from the perspective of an ant.

God you say some stupid shit

 

[GROTTO]

You are not guaranteed that TT is a lock to fall to Pick 4 though, and it's a red flag for how garbage our recruiting team is if he was.

At least have a backup position which is livable if you are going to gamble on another team not seeing pick 1 like we are.

Youve missed the entire discussion completely.

That wasnt what the discussion was about. Of course if TT wasnt a lock for Pick 4 and we wanted him and he could go earlier, you wouldnt take the unnecessary risk.

 

[Mego Red]

I just don't believe in giving up assets for less than 2/3 their value.

So, you'd just draft Thilthorpe at 1? That's your position?

 

[longdonkey]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m obviously no expert. And I’ll back in guys like Mutineer to put me in line. It’s just I don’t get excited watching Thilly. The modern game is a pressure-based one. Having Fog, Himmelberg and Thilly in the same forward line doesn’t work for me. I’d much rather a player that gets up and down the ground more, like McDonald. Or a crafty forward/mid like Hollands.

I think the issue here and what most people are saying is that Thilthorpe has the same ability or better ability to get up and down the ground as McDonald and he has the extra 8cm that allows him to ruck. What McDonald has is a greater scoring capacity.

 

[dogs105]

. Of course if TT wasnt a lock for Pick 4 and we wanted him and he could go earlier, you wouldnt take the unnecessary risk.

You mean, in the Real World scenario?

 

[dogs105]

So, you'd just draft Thilthorpe at 1? That's your position?

If we thought he was the best player, yes

 

[Trigger13]

Many of us on here take issue with hapless types pathetically criticising any of the top 4 lads just to suit their uninformed paper thin argument as to why one is "sooo much better" than the others. Don't be so disrespectful to these future champions mate.

I’m under no illusion that my opinion means stuff all. After all, it is just that: my opinion. Good luck to the lad.

 

[Mego Red]

His response would be "You didnt lose any money".

He was holding out for a better deal.

 

[footy4ever]

Did this 3 times in a row and all came up McDonald.

We're going Thilthorpe aren't we.

Well I'm rooting for Logan McDonald so it's sure as hell gonna be Thilthorpe.

 

[GROTTO]

Well I'm rooting for Logan McDonald so it's sure as hell gonna be Thilthorpe.

So badly want us to take someone from obscurity. The melts will be epic.

I want Bigfooty to crash at 7pm tonight.

 

[Mego Red]

You do realise that you're the one who is proposing a trade where we actually lose value? Maybe you need to find a better analogy.

I'm refusing to trade our Ferrari for a Commodore and a Mini.

No, he is proposing Thilthorpe and a second, and you're proposing Thilthorpe.

It's remarkable that you keep clinging to point values, which are completely meaningless in this scenario.

 

[ams4crows]

Those three specifically contacted clubs and told them they wouldn't play for them if drafted, which is a little bit different.

Perkins specifically refused to interview with an interstate club and told them he wouldn't join them.

Pretty clear cut, draft tampering

 

[Mego Red]

How could they possibly know this?

If we knew how the draft was going to play out in advance we could do all kinds of beneficial trades. But we don't.

Did you not see the Melbourne video last year when they announced who each club was taking before the selection was made?

There's a really large chance that clubs will know who's going where for the first half dozen picks. And that allows for this year being a strange one - normally it will be almost the entire first round.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Perkins specifically refused to interview with an interstate club and told them he wouldn't join them.

Pretty clear cut, draft tampering

Yes it is, I was referring to his radio interview today though. That's a completely different scenario and clear tampering.

 

[Mego Red]

If we thought he was the best player, yes

Even though you know North wants Hollands and Hawthorn is trying to get up the draft to get McDonald?

 

[ams4crows]

It certainly confirms what many have believed - the Vic (metro in particularly) kids, dont want to move. Looks like Perkins wasn't prepared to do two years interstate, before moving back to the Victorian Club of choice like the Jye Caldwell

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Jye Caldwell

Age

24

Ht

183cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.7

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

14.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.3

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.3

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

13.6

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.6

4star

types have done.

"Perkins said he had spoken to several others in his position about his decision and was told they also wanted to make a similar choice.

“I’ve spoken to a lot of people and they say ‘I didn’t want to go either but I didn’t say it’. I was like ‘you could have said it and stayed here’,” Perkins revealed.

“I’m just confident enough to say it.”

Don’t pick me, I’m staying home: AFL world stunned by top 10 prospect Archie Perkins’ call

‘Didn’t come out the way he meant it’: AFL manager defends top 10 prospect’s stunning call

www.foxsports.com.au

How is this not draft tampering? This is a direct quote from him?

 

[GROTTO]

Did you not see the Melbourne video last year when they announced who each club was taking before the selection was made?

There's a really large chance that clubs will know who's going where for the first half dozen picks. And that allows for this year being a strange one - normally it will be almost the entire first round.

Wow. +1

Totally forget about this, yes youre definitely 100% right in terms of the vision and what was going on the night.



Game, Set and Match.

 

[Golumless]

Youve missed the entire discussion completely.

That wasnt what the discussion was about. Of course if TT wasnt a lock for Pick 4 and we wanted him and he could go earlier, you wouldnt take the unnecessary risk.

That half a sentence is the start and end of any hypothetical discussion involving trading pick 1 without us getting two early to mid first round picks back.

Even if you were dead certain he was a lock to last, you still do not do the trade you've suggested just on the off-chance your information is wrong because that is terrible result (to the point that might be in the conversations as one of the worst trades to have occurred in AFL history) at its worst case scenario. Take the trade we pulled off last year, 4 to 6 and another first rounder? Your fall back position is strong enough that hey, worst case scenario occurs and you've been bluffed out of who you want, well at least we have another 1st round pick as compensation for a small downgrade.

1 to 4 + a 2nd has you taking severe unders and risking being screwed over by other teams (potentially missing out on your first 3 options in the draft) trying to be cute. All it takes is for that team to bounce, and you're looking at 1 for 4 + 30.

 

[dogs105]

Even though you know North wants Hollands and Hawthorn is trying to get up the draft to get McDonald?

And you know Sydney doesn't want him too. Unfortunately we'd have to do the trade before the draft, not in hindsight

 

[Mutineer]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m obviously no expert. And I’ll back in guys like Mutineer to put me in line. It’s just I don’t get excited watching Thilly. The modern game is a pressure-based one. Having Fog, Himmelberg and Thilly in the same forward line doesn’t work for me. I’d much rather a player that gets up and down the ground more, like McDonald. Or a crafty forward/mid like Hollands.

What makes you think McDonald is better than Thilthorpe in regards to your comment "I’d much rather a player that gets up and down the ground more, like McDonald."? I'd back Riley in any endurance test against McDonald...

SAU18's coach said when interviewed if Riley had run in the 2km run at this year's Combine He'd have won it convincingly...The lad is an endurance beast as he's proven right through his junior career.

Pre Season Trainign Kicks Off With 2km Time Trial - West Adelaide Football Club

westadelaidefc.com.au

 

[Peter Doherty]

Nagging feeling about Phillips.

Want Hollands. Will be happy with any of the 4.

Still hoping to trade up and take Thilthorpe with our 2nd.

 

[GROTTO]

Even though you know North wants Hollands and Hawthorn is trying to get up the draft to get McDonald?

+1

Its exactly how its panned out in previous years drafts. Clubs all know who the first few Clubs are into and who they will take. Its basically a lock.

Some people just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[arrowman]

Did this 3 times in a row and all came up McDonald.

We're going Thilthorpe aren't we.

I got Bobby twice, Marcia once and Greg once.

We're getting Alice, aren't we.

 

[GROTTO]

Nagging feeling about Phillips.

Want Hollands. Will be happy with any of the 4.

Still hoping to trade up and take Thilthorpe with our 2nd.

I now want Phillips, whatever that will crash this place tonight. He would do it. From left field, outside the top 3 being discussed.