2020 HFC Pre Season Training

[Tassie Cryptik]

No Chad (midfield only?)

IMO Poppy isn't the future, and barely the present.

 

[Glacier]

No Chad (midfield only?)

IMO Poppy isn't the future, and barely the present.

You are definitely selling Poppy short

 

[B&GBlood]

Will we see the Lewis parallelogram?

lewis, Patton
Gunston, obrien

with Breust and poppy at their feet

that would be an interesting looking forward line and a revisit of the buddy’s box concept

Or will Clarko grant more freedom with a quadrilateral formation?

 

[MrPremiership]

BB will play back.
Posters should get used to the idea.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

The new BB

 

[rei154]

To save this thread...

Training yesterday I was only there an hour

Rehab:
Gunners, impey, howe, moore, scrimshaw, Patton

You won't believe this but Titch must have done quite a bit of rubber necking on the weekend because he woke up with a stiff neck(confirmed).
He didn't train. Now to allay peoples fears. Mitch trained on Thursday and Saturday so whatever recovery issues he is having he is managing it well a true professional

Training itself was kicking and stoppage drills both on the wing and forward line. Ross training with the mids.
Lots of work done in close the idea being to take on the tackler and be able to dish of the handball.
Lots of noise on the track coaches were critical of players missing targets by hand and the play would be brought back.
The drill involved breaking out into space against opposition and delivering it to a leading forward.

Meanwhile the other group had drills to kick in and transfer the play mainly kicking both on the dominant and non dominant side
As I mentioned I wasn't there long so not much else to report

Loved seeing this!
Any idea how Ross is going in training with the mids? I know he's a bloody good kick in the forward line, but I would have thought his size would have been more pronounced in the midfield.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

No Chad (midfield only?)

IMO Poppy isn't the future, and barely the present.

Hope Wingard plays predominantly in the middle, and rests forward. Though I agree mostly regarding Puopolo, this will have to be last season.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Loved seeing this!
Any idea how Ross is going in training with the mids? I know he's a bloody good kick in the forward line, but I would have thought his size would have been more pronounced in the midfield.

Maybe a future wingman?

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Will we see the Lewis parallelogram?

lewis, Patton
Gunston, obrien

with Breust and poppy at their feet

that would be an interesting looking forward line and a revisit of the buddy’s box concept

Surely it's the Patton Parallelogram?
The Mitchell Matrix?
The O'Brien Overlap?

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

Maybe it should've been worded ‘delivering it to a leading key forward’ or else it could just mean…

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I like.

 

[Brishawk]

No Chad (midfield only?)

IMO Poppy isn't the future, and barely the present.

Yeah chad in the middle.
Come round 1, poppy will be in the side. Clarko always sticks with experience early. He might easy him out as the year progresses. If I were poppy I wouldn’t want to get injured as it may well be his last game when it happens. Although I do expect our improved midfield and forward line this year will see him have a better season and maybe remind us of the value he brings.

 

[Brishawk]

BB will play back.
Posters should get used to the idea.

I accept it is going to happen but that is quite another thing than believing it is going to be a good strategic move.
I understand broadly why it appeals but it is entirely inconsistent with our exposed recruitment criteria in relation to kpds.

we literally do not recruit a kpd that is slow. In fact, none of our defenders are slow. It kills a defence’s ability to close down space and guard territory dynamically if you have one player who can’t keep up.

We recruit highly mobile defenders in frost and Hartley. That is the strategic direction. Look at scrimshaw, day, CJ etc. all mobile and good overhead. and then go stick a slow ruckman in defence? Given our overall strategy, this appears to be a very tactical move and I’m not a fan because I think it takes us away from where we really want to be and what we see as the ultimate game plan.

I’m sure it will be fine when the press is dominating and the midfield is giving us field position. We had that against gc and west coast in the two games last year in which it was tried. Let’s see how it goes when we inevitably give up field position or the press leaks some ball through it.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

I don't think McEvoy in defence will be a straight man-on-man defender like Lake. I think he will be more a zone/positional defender like Hodge was. Trying to control the dangerous space.

With 6-6-6, he will likely start at "CHB" (2nd tall), then work around 40-60m from the contest, floating around 'unaccountable' and in a more or less direct line to the goals. His biggest influence won't even be possessions or intercepts he gets - but rather the affect on interrupting opposition structures.

I expect one of our wingers will slide to defensive positioning in general play, with other defenders 'stepping up' a height position after the bounce, with McEvoy the "7th" defender.

If he can clunk 1-2 quick kicks from a pack early, the opposition will start trying to work around him - either going the long way around (wide/boundary) - or avoiding the quick kick from the contest altogether.

Then McEvoy doesn't even need to touch the ball to be effective - just in the opposition players eye-line.

 

[Carl Spackler]

I don't think McEvoy in defence will be a straight man-on-man defender like Lake. I think he will be more a zone/positional defender like Hodge was. Trying to control the dangerous space.

With 6-6-6, he will likely start at "CHB" (2nd tall), then work around 40-60m from the contest, floating around 'unaccountable' and in a more or less direct line to the goals. His biggest influence won't even be possessions or intercepts he gets - but rather the affect on interrupting opposition structures.

I expect one of our wingers will slide to defensive positioning in general play, with other defenders 'stepping up' a height position after the bounce, with McEvoy the "7th" defender.

If he can clunk 1-2 quick kicks from a pack early, the opposition will start trying to work around him - either going the long way around (wide/boundary) - or avoiding the quick kick from the contest altogether.

Then McEvoy doesn't even need to touch the ball to be effective - just in the opposition players eye-line.

I think you’re likely correct. BB doesn’t need to nullify a player, he needs to remove lines of entry. Plant himself in the way (I expect they are studying opposition entry patterns) and force the other side to make non-conventional decisions. If we have plenty of mobile 1-on-1 defenders, then having one big guy that denies the opposition territory could be an effective plan. Every time an oppo midfielder looks up there is BB in the middle of his first target zone. Frustrating.

Maybe. It sounds clever as I type it. Who knows if that is what they are trying.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I don't think McEvoy in defence will be a straight man-on-man defender like Lake. I think he will be more a zone/positional defender like Hodge was. Trying to control the dangerous space.

With 6-6-6, he will likely start at "CHB" (2nd tall), then work around 40-60m from the contest, floating around 'unaccountable' and in a more or less direct line to the goals. His biggest influence won't even be possessions or intercepts he gets - but rather the affect on interrupting opposition structures.

I expect one of our wingers will slide to defensive positioning in general play, with other defenders 'stepping up' a height position after the bounce, with McEvoy the "7th" defender.

If he can clunk 1-2 quick kicks from a pack early, the opposition will start trying to work around him - either going the long way around (wide/boundary) - or avoiding the quick kick from the contest altogether.

Then McEvoy doesn't even need to touch the ball to be effective - just in the opposition players eye-line.

He is a big cone closing down the angles at worst

 

[Brant]

Surely it's the Patton Parallelogram?
The Mitchell Matrix?
The O'Brien Overlap?

All better than the 2019 Puopolo Piss-take...

 

[kirbatron]

if the midfield are really doing their bit & pressuring well I can see Big Boy being a nice asset back there. I reckon Clarko has something juicy (different role) lined up for Sicily

 

[Iceman!]

if the midfield are really doing their bit & pressuring well I can see Big Boy being a nice asset back there. I reckon Clarko has something juicy (different role) lined up for Sicily

Hmm not sure what? He is one of the best intercept marks in the comp and i don't really want that role changing to be honest.

 

[threesixpio]

I think you’re likely correct. BB doesn’t need to nullify a player, he needs to remove lines of entry. Plant himself in the way (I expect they are studying opposition entry patterns) and force the other side to make non-conventional decisions. If we have plenty of mobile 1-on-1 defenders, then having one big guy that denies the opposition territory could be an effective plan. Every time an oppo midfielder looks up there is BB in the middle of his first target zone. Frustrating.

Maybe. It sounds clever as I type it. Who knows if that is what they are trying.

H2F will ask you to delete your post if you’re not careful

 

[threesixpio]

He is a big cone closing down the angles at worst

Or a bucket bong intercepter

 

[Brant]

if the midfield are really doing their bit & pressuring well I can see Big Boy being a nice asset back there. I reckon Clarko has something juicy (different role) lined up for Sicily

Sicily is Top 3 in the League at his position - really hope we don't try to be too clever & f**k that up.

Surely we'll not try to send him forward again...

 

[tige19]

BB will play back.
Posters should get used to the idea.

In my opinion it's a poor move if it was to happen, he has no agility and lacks genuine acceleration, BB is brilliant because he can set his own pace as a Ruckman and grind his opponent into the ground.

 

[Iceman!]

Just for a little bit of a separate take on the Big Boy discussion i would love to see Cegs get more time solo in the Ruck. He absolutely pantsed some opponents last season when given the opportunity and i think we looked really good with him when he had some continuity. Not necessarily better than Big Boy but he plays differently and i think we looked more potent with him taking the game on more at times.

 

[Brant]

Just for a little bit of a separate take on the Big Boy discussion i would love to see Cegs get more time solo in the Ruck. He absolutely pantsed some opponents last season when given the opportunity and i think we looked really good with him when he had some continuity. Not necessarily better than Big Boy but he plays differently and i think we looked more potent with him taking the game on more at times.

Both of them can be such weapons when we target them kicking out from FB (BB especially) & then up on the Wings.

Having them as targets on the Wings gives our rebounding defenders good options, but also a bit of a bail-out safety net in case they run themselves into trouble or need to kick over a zone defence to gain ground etc.

 

[VandoHawk]

Just for a little bit of a separate take on the Big Boy discussion i would love to see Cegs get more time solo in the Ruck. He absolutely pantsed some opponents last season when given the opportunity and i think we looked really good with him when he had some continuity. Not necessarily better than Big Boy but he plays differently and i think we looked more potent with him taking the game on more at times.

Ceglar seems to genuinely play better when he is the solo ruck. Gets really physical and involved in the game.