List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Watch

[JasRulz63]

Current no. of players on the list
Senior list - 34 (2-4 free*)
Rookie (Cat A) - 4 (0-2 free*)
Rookie (Cat B) - 2 (0 free)
Maximum list size of 44. Up to 36-38 senior list, 4-6 category A rookie list and 2 category B rookie list.
* Total of four list spots available, with a minimum of 2 senior list spots needing to be utilised.

List changes
IN: Daniher, Cockatoo, Uosis (R)
OUT: Christensen, Wooller, Allison (R), Skinner (R), Eagles (R), C. Lyons (R), Martin, Witherden, Cox, Hinge.
PROMOTED: Fullarton.
ROOKIED: Birchall, Mathieson, Ballendan.

Current picks
25, 53, 58, 69, 70
(2021 - 1st (MEL), 1st, 3rd (WCE), 3rd, 4th (MEL), 4th (COLL), 5th)

Spoiler: 2020 draft order

Useful links
2020 trade news compendium
List changes, contract status and key dates
2020 draft discussion thread

 

[bungalow_bill]

I suspect Rayner and the Big O have improved markedly since then. Not sure about CEY. Needs a big off season.

His endurance may be just okay for now but Rayner does have decent acceleration and speed if only in short bursts. Would like to know how his top speed compares to the rest of the team

 

[pulpdriver]

His endurance may be just okay for now but Rayner does have decent acceleration and speed if only in short bursts. Would like to know how his top speed compares to the rest of the team

I'd be curious to know what his top-line estimates will be. Although I suppose it honestly doesn't matter. The smartest players have that acute sense of knowing when to accelerate and where to go in game that allows them to get their hands on the ball which is ultimately all that matters. Most impact players, including Cam, fall in the bracket.
Would be great to get him to a dependable 60/40 mid/forward spread though. That game sense, physicality and one-touch ability? Whoo

 

[Happy_Neale]

Don't really care about Pies. They've dug themselves into this hole. Just feel for Treloar. Hope someone comes in late to give him a decent home. Don't think he's the fit for us, though wouldn't complain, but it really is terrible treatment of a player and highlights what an absolute mess Pies cap management has been. Massive fu** up.

I care because it's potentially one less team for us to contend with next year for a premiership if things go well for us.

 

[pulpdriver]

I care because it's potentially one less team for us to contend with next year for a premiership if things go well for us.

Fair call, but as much I don't want to seem arrogant but we're lucky enough to have a team that doesn't need to worry such marginal fluctuations in opposition teams, we already have so much youth ready to grow.

Just being objective here, has any other team actually had a five year plan that actually turned around in five years? I'm still kinda mindblown at how good we've become.

 

[theteamtobeat]

His endurance may be just okay for now but Rayner does have decent acceleration and speed if only in short bursts. Would like to know how his top speed compares to the rest of the team

Maybe we should send Rayner to Los Vegas with Dane Swan

Dane Swan

Age

40

Ht

185cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.9

5star

K

16.4

5star

HB

10.4

5star

M

5.9

5star

T

3.1

5star

CL

5.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

. That's how Dusty got super fit.

 

[dlanod]

Just being objective here, has any other team actually had a five year plan that actually turned around in five years? I'm still kinda mindblown at how good we've become.

Richmond's most recent five year plan holds up ok.

 

[pulpdriver]

Richmond's most recent five year plan holds up ok.

They finished 7th at the end of that five year plan.

Tired of failure, Richmond targets premierships

Richmond's bold plan for the next five years is only the first stage of an even more ambitious goal of winning three premierships within 10 years.

www.theage.com.au

They are so lucky they stuck with Dimma. After three final series without a win and then dropping out of them couldn't blame them for wanting change but look what happened?

 

[Nunez]

George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

up for trade. Surprised as he's a good player.

 

[pulpdriver]

George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

up for trade. Surprised as he's a good player.

Best work seems to be done during lockdown. Never gonna get you much currency and the kinda guy that's so valuable to a developing team...why do they want to trade? Player driven?

 

[Tom14]

Best work seems to be done during lockdown. Never gonna get you much currency and the kinda guy that's so valuable to a developing team...why do they want to trade? Player driven?

Rowbottom developed, and they didn't really go with a tagger this year I think. I think he's a fine role player.

 

[Dalions]

Man these trade weeks are so bloody boring.
Barely anything happens until the last 2 days or the last 2 hours.
They need to give the clubs a week to sort their shit out and then just have a 2 or 3 day trade period.

 

[pulpdriver]

Rowbottom developed, and they didn't really go with a tagger this year I think. I think he's a fine role player.

So he was superseded as a tagger and club doesn't have a role for him? What's he worth?

 

[golions]

They finished 7th at the end of that five year plan.

Tired of failure, Richmond targets premierships

Richmond's bold plan for the next five years is only the first stage of an even more ambitious goal of winning three premierships within 10 years.

www.theage.com.au

They are so lucky they stuck with Dimma. After three final series without a win and then dropping out of them couldn't blame them for wanting change but look what happened?

Feel like Voss could have followed a similar path to Dimma in the coaching stakes with us earlier in the decade - Voss had just got the team back firing again (still had the Go Home 5, and we were on the verge of finals) after the Fevola disaster years when the Club decided to go after Roos
Roos (who was never going to coach us as Melbourne were offering far more money and a better deal) said he wasn't open to a conversation unless Voss job was definitely vacant

Next thing you know, Club tells Voss that his contract is not renewed (after his most promising year since the Fevola rebuild), the Go Home 5 decide to leave, and poor Leppa is given the reigns to a train wreck that probably even Clarkson could not have salvaged.

 

[pulpdriver]

Feel like Voss could have followed a similar path to Dimma in the coaching stakes with us earlier in the decade - Voss had just got the team back firing again (still had the Go Home 5, and we were on the verge of finals) after the Fevola disaster years when the Club decided to go after Roos
Roos (who was never going to coach us as Melbourne were offering far more money and a better deal) said he wasn't open to a conversation unless Voss job was definitely vacant

Next thing you know, Club tells Voss that his contract is not renewed (after his most promising year since the Fevola rebuild), the Go Home 5 decide to leave, and poor Leppa is given the reigns to a train wreck that probably even Clarkson could not have salvaged.

Maybe

 

[martinson]

Feel like Voss could have followed a similar path to Dimma in the coaching stakes with us earlier in the decade - Voss had just got the team back firing again (still had the Go Home 5, and we were on the verge of finals) after the Fevola disaster years when the Club decided to go after Roos
Roos (who was never going to coach us as Melbourne were offering far more money and a better deal) said he wasn't open to a conversation unless Voss job was definitely vacant

Next thing you know, Club tells Voss that his contract is not renewed (after his most promising year since the Fevola rebuild), the Go Home 5 decide to leave, and poor Leppa is given the reigns to a train wreck that probably even Clarkson could not have salvaged.

Which goes to show. One strategic mistake can sink you. Clubs these days try to develop a plan and stick to it . P.A , Richmond now reaping benefits. And us.

Of course you can always have a good plan that just doesn't work.

 

[Tom14]

Feel like Voss could have followed a similar path to Dimma in the coaching stakes with us earlier in the decade - Voss had just got the team back firing again (still had the Go Home 5, and we were on the verge of finals) after the Fevola disaster years when the Club decided to go after Roos
Roos (who was never going to coach us as Melbourne were offering far more money and a better deal) said he wasn't open to a conversation unless Voss job was definitely vacant

Next thing you know, Club tells Voss that his contract is not renewed (after his most promising year since the Fevola rebuild), the Go Home 5 decide to leave, and poor Leppa is given the reigns to a train wreck that probably even Clarkson could not have salvaged.

We didn't have the talent on that list at the time. It is telling that there are only two players left who were coached by Vossy.

 

[Tom14]

We didn't have the talent on that list at the time. It is telling that there are only two players left who were coached by Vossy.

Also the notion that we were on the verge of finals that year is just incorrect - we ended up winning 4 of the last 6 games under Mark Harvey, and even then would have had to have won all 6 to finish 9th and get in by virtue of Essendon being penalised. The go home 5 would still have left at the end of that season too.

Obviously Angus Johnson was an idiot and the push to get Roos was very very stupid, but I don't believe that Vossy would have been materially better in 2014-16 than Leppa. Leppa was a worse coach than Vossy, but the list was ageing, had no developing stars, and we got peanuts for the good 3 players of the GH5 and still managed to have first round picks leave.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Pick 31 for Preuss is overs for mine. Giants are clearly desperate for a ruck with Jacobs gone and Mumford on his last legs.

 

[Tom14]

Pick 31 for Preuss is overs for mine. Giants are clearly desperate for a ruck with Jacobs gone and Mumford on his last legs.

Agree it is overs but GWS will have several earlier picks so a pick like 31 means less to them.

 

[Section 5]

Been out all morning. Only trades i noticed were
Peter Wright to Ess - future 4th
Preuss to GWS (31)
Geelong want more than 53 for Cockatoo

Other than pick swaps anything else happening??

 

[pulpdriver]

Pick 31 for Preuss is overs for mine. Giants are clearly desperate for a ruck with Jacobs gone and Mumford on his last legs.

Would they have been able to use it? They've got their pick, Williams pick and whatever they get from Cameron. Probably just want to get it out of the way.

 

[jackess]

Pick 31 for Preuss is overs for mine. Giants are clearly desperate for a ruck with Jacobs gone and Mumford on his last legs.

Melbourne got him for Tyson and a 4th rounder. Good trading to flip him for a second rounder.

 

[Pns_blister]

Would they have been able to use it? They've got their pick, Williams pick and whatever they get from Cameron. Probably just want to get it out of the way.

Plus picks for Caldwell and Hately

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

On the basis that picks 7 and 8 aren't gettable and we are only taking two live picks in the draft including Coleman, I would offer the Dogs 18 and 19 for 14, 41 and 54 or a future third/fourth rounder and use 41 for Cockatoo.

 

[pulpdriver]

Plus picks for Caldwell and Hately

Realistically whatever they end up getting likely to be much more than what Preuss is worth.

edit: rather than be judgemental I'm gonna assume Preuess actually wants to work for it. Could be great