List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Watch

[JasRulz63]

Current no. of players on the list
Senior list - 34 (2-4 free*)
Rookie (Cat A) - 4 (0-2 free*)
Rookie (Cat B) - 2 (0 free)
Maximum list size of 44. Up to 36-38 senior list, 4-6 category A rookie list and 2 category B rookie list.
* Total of four list spots available, with a minimum of 2 senior list spots needing to be utilised.

List changes
IN: Daniher, Cockatoo, Uosis (R)
OUT: Christensen, Wooller, Allison (R), Skinner (R), Eagles (R), C. Lyons (R), Martin, Witherden, Cox, Hinge.
PROMOTED: Fullarton.
ROOKIED: Birchall, Mathieson, Ballendan.

Current picks
25, 53, 58, 69, 70
(2021 - 1st (MEL), 1st, 3rd (WCE), 3rd, 4th (MEL), 4th (COLL), 5th)

Spoiler: 2020 draft order

Useful links
2020 trade news compendium
List changes, contract status and key dates
2020 draft discussion thread

 

[Dalions]

I wonder if we will look at trading Melbournes first next year to try and get back into mid first round this year?

 

[lionsrules]

Ouch .... feel for Hinge.

 

[Dalions]

Ouch .... feel for Hinge.

Looks like he will be moving on for greater opportunity at the Crows.
Lions were probably only offering a 1 year contract. Adelaide may be offering 2.

 

[JasRulz63]

Couldn't disagree more with this piece but I don't think it is poorly written or anything - it just drastically overrates Witherden and Stef Martin of this year:

Will The Brisbane Lions' Tame Off-Season Come Back To Bite Them?

Footy is relevant in Brisbane again, and the Lions are building something undeniably special. Yet in comparison with their Finals brethren, there was something rather hollow about their approach to this year’s trade period.

www.statsinsider.com.au

Props on them for coming up with a ranking system which would be quite a challenge. Main issue I see with their system is that it ranks players based on their last 40 AFL matches played (since 2018), with no weighting it seems towards more recent performances. For example, Buddy is ranked the 37th best player in the league in their "2020" player ratings, despite not playing a single game this year. According to the same rankings, Adams is our 8th best player and Starcevich is 27th.

 

[jackess]

If we were expecting Hinge to stay I wonder if we'll look at any delisted free agents as a replacement

Or perhaps look for a mature ruck

 

[Nunez]

LOL, the same guys that have played what 17 games out of close to 140 games between them in the past 3 years.

Seriously, I can hardly contain my excitement.

Okay Dylan.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Cut Lion goes to Crows as Brisbane delists five, re-signs veteran

Brisbane temporarily removes contract of three players, re-signs one, cuts two

www.afl.com.au

Hinge, who was offered an extension to stay, was delisted from the Lions on Wednesday but will be free to move to the Crows when the DFA window opens on Thursday.

Can't blame the guy for picking a better offer with more playing time in his home state.

 

[Dalions]

If we were expecting Hinge to stay I wonder if we'll look at any delisted free agents as a replacement

Or perhaps look for a mature ruck

Just come on to post this!
Who is available?
Any decent Rucks?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Ouch .... feel for Hinge.

Don't feel too bad for him, he chose a different offer.

 

[jackess]

Cut Lion goes to Crows as Brisbane delists five, re-signs veteran

Brisbane temporarily removes contract of three players, re-signs one, cuts two

www.afl.com.au

Can't blame the guy for picking a better offer with more playing time in his home state.

I hope the Crows weren't expecting Skinner based on that photo

 

[SL16]

According to Mitch Cleary, we offered him an extension to stay, so yep, certainty to head to Adelaide.

Edit: Ninja'd.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I wonder if we will look at trading Melbournes first next year to try and get back into mid first round this year?

For whom? I think it would depend entirely on if there was a particular prospect we coveted. 2021 is projected to be a better draft, remember.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Can someone remind me, what's the point of a rookie list again?

Tradition (since 1997).

 

[Happy_Neale]

Hinge leaving opens the door for another player to rotate into the team. Hopefully they won't be too rusty com round 1.

 

[SizeMatters]

Cut Lion goes to Crows as Brisbane delists five, re-signs veteran

Brisbane temporarily removes contract of three players, re-signs one, cuts two

www.afl.com.au

Can't blame the guy for picking a better offer with more playing time in his home state.

Yup a purely selfish reason. He's made the right choice if he wanted to make a career out of AFL footy. I wish him luck. Think he'll play a lot of games next year.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Tradition (since 1997).

I thought Champion Data didn't invent AFL until 1999?

 

[mpal6]

I wonder if we will look at trading Melbournes first next year to try and get back into mid first round this year?

We are spreading the age profile as our last 2 first rounders have barely got a crack so far.

Staying with 2 first rounders next year would be better I think.

 

[Ray Button]

I rather suspect that with Hinge going/gone, the Lions might be wishing they had held on to Stef . . .

 

[Dalions]

For whom? I think it would depend entirely on if there was a particular prospect we coveted. 2021 is projected to be a better draft, remember.

Only because we have the extra list spot available now.
Elijah Holland’s is a possibility of falling a bit on draft night so we may take the punt if he falls to 10 or beyond.
probably unlikely though.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I rather suspect that with Hinge going/gone, the Lions might be wishing they had held on to Stef . . .

Why?

 

[BRAB]

Disagree...thoroughly well written piece only underlying what a few people think, including me.

Debacle of an off-season by pushing out Witherden and Martin and not doing anything to accommodate David Noble, the real brains behind the organisation, not to mention only bringing in two broken down players in Daniher and Cockatoo that have shown literally nothing for three years.

Hardly surprising the angst that some have with this piece because how dare anyone call anything into question at the club. You're seriously kidding yourself if you don't think culture at the club won't take a massive hit and key players look elsewhere in 12 months time.

All of the club's own doing though.

The only positive is the re-signing of Ryan Lester

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Ryan Lester

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

84kg

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Def

Career

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14.9

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3.9

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170.4

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10.3

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5.8

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140.7

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12.6

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6.8

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today.

In 2018, you referred to that trade period as a debacle, stating that Neale for Beams was like for like and that McCarthy was too injury prone. You also said the Gold coast pick trade was a disaster.

Does this give you pause on melting too early?

 

[davemc_lions]

Still would not mind looking at Henry Crauford delisted from the Bombers.

 

[deeztreez]

I'm sorry to see Hinge delisted - I really liked the little I saw of him. I was also sorry to see Ben Keays

2

Ben Keays

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

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7.3

5star

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2.3

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3.9

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0.4

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D

13.7

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8.7

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5.0

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2.8

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3.7

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13.0

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4.8

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M

1.4

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4.4

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G

0.4

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, Lewy Taylor and Josh Walker leaving and Witho being traded but list management is a ruthless business - particularly in the current climate. It will be great if Mitch picks up a spot at the Crows and flourishes where there is more opportunity.

Can any of u gurus provide any info/opinions on Mitch Hinge? Not much known about him on our board. Where was he playing in your reserves team?
Thanks

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Disagree...thoroughly well written piece only underlying what a few people think, including me.

Debacle of an off-season by pushing out Witherden and Martin and not doing anything to accommodate David Noble, the real brains behind the organisation, not to mention only bringing in two broken down players in Daniher and Cockatoo that have shown literally nothing for three years.

Hardly surprising the angst that some have with this piece because how dare anyone call anything into question at the club. You're seriously kidding yourself if you don't think culture at the club won't take a massive hit and key players look elsewhere in 12 months time.

All of the club's own doing though.

The only positive is the re-signing of Ryan Lester

35

Ryan Lester

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

170.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

140.7

3star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.6

3star

today.

Let me get this right- you would rather 34 year old Martin, Witho and Hinge (both who could not get a game) on the list rather than Joe Daniher and Cockatoo? So do you want a crack at the flag or a good culture (even though it appears our players could not be happier) and less talent on the list?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Only because we have the extra list spot available now.
Elijah Holland’s is a possibility of falling a bit on draft night so we may take the punt if he falls to 10 or beyond.
probably unlikely though.

Yeah, I doubt Hollands falls past pick 4. The club have been tight-lipped as usual about which draft prospects they like, so unless there's a major, major surprise like Deven Robertson

2

Deven Robertson

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

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4.0

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M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

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0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

falling to round 2, I can't see them trading in.