Trades 2021 Round 3 Fantasy Trades

[Neale4brownlow]

None of those were in the -4 BE range though. That's the difference, they all scored well in their first week, but not two weeks in a row (except for Hind who I started with and I'll probably keep for a lot of the season). Having a -4 BE means that he only needs to score in that 50-70 range for a few weeks, to make you over 100K. The risk is far different that it is with guys who only had 1 good week, and thus their BE was still in that positive range

How many games does the BE work off these days? Past 3 or 5? Or completely unknown mystery now? I remember it being 3 so a first game blinder was of little value given it was out of the rotation almost immediately when there was no price rises till game 3.

Tex won't get 5+ goals every game (although maybe he will at this rate.....).

If I hadn't of picked up 2 complete lemons in Steph/Sholl last week I'd probably consider it actually. I think I'm at capacity with lemons now.

Hind versus Walker this week for me so I think I'll back Hind to be a longer term keeper (hopefully).

EDIT: I'm actually worried about picking up Hind though. Still not convinced on him and more concerned with Essendons outs. I saw Hind get a few possies up the ground in link up play. That goes out the window in their new look midfield this week. Could be a North Melbourne style rabble for a few weeks and it could hurt everyone's scoring (Merrett included).

 

[Shadow89]

How many games does the BE work off these days? Past 3 or 5? Or completely unknown mystery now? I remember it being 3 so a first game blinder was of little value given it was out of the rotation almost immediately when there was no price rises till game 3.

Tex won't get 5+ goals every game (although maybe he will at this rate.....).

If I hadn't of picked up 2 complete lemons in Steph/Sholl last week I'd probably consider it actually. I think I'm at capacity with lemons now.

Hind versus Walker this week for me so I think I'll back Hind to be a longer term keeper (hopefully).

Think it's 3, but it's been two games in a row, so the third will keep it low if he can score at least a 70 over the next 3 games.

I'm honestly not concerned with how many goals he's kicking - it's how he's moving and marking the ball. Looks to have shed some weight, and is playing more of that high half forward role again, rather than a one on one marking forward. Taking plenty of marks and leading up at the ball, and looks reinvigorated with all the Mind camp/Adelaide board debacle behind him.

Absolutely agree on Hind though, if you don't have him. I'm going De Goey to Walker, so for me, it's a no brainer as I already have Hind, haha

 

[Rion]

I just can't believe that Tex Walker of all players is gonna string together consistent high scoring games. Think he's a decent pick for those who have got a fairly risk-free team but if you've already got a few risky mid-pricers I'd probably say it ain't worth the bother over a rookie like Lazarro or Campbell where far less can feasibly go wrong on their way to earning that 150kish.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Think it's 3, but it's been two games in a row, so the third will keep it low if he can score at least a 70 over the next 3 games.

I'm honestly not concerned with how many goals he's kicking - it's how he's moving and marking the ball. Looks to have shed some weight, and is playing more of that high half forward role again, rather than a one on one marking forward. Taking plenty of marks and leading up at the ball, and looks reinvigorated with all the Mind camp/Adelaide board debacle behind him.

Absolutely agree on Hind though, if you don't have him. I'm going De Goey to Walker, so for me, it's a no brainer as I already have Hind, haha

The other option I have is hold Gaff for 1 more week.
Tyson -> Walker
Caldwell -> Hind.

But is Gaff really worth of 1 more haha. I used this "1 more" approach with Angus Brayshaw a few years ago and rode all the way down to $500k..
Gaff will drop $50-$70k this week unless he can somehow seagull against Port (doubt it).

Currently doing Gaff -> Titch
Caldwell -> Hind.

And dump Tyson next week.

 

[Shadow89]

The other option I have is hold Gaff for 1 more week.
Tyson -> Walker
Caldwell -> Hind.

But is Gaff really worth of 1 more haha. I used this "1 more" approach with Angus Brayshaw a few years ago and rode all the way down to $500k..
Gaff will drop $50-$70k this week unless he can somehow seagull against Port (doubt it).

Currently doing Gaff -> Titch
Caldwell -> Hind.

And dump Tyson next week.

Yep, go with the second option Gaff > Titch is a huge upgrade - especially if Shuey doesn't get up this week, and Gaff and co. get absolutely smashed by the Port mids. Caldwell > Hind makes you cash, and is a pretty safe bet moving forward. Both pretty no risk selections. Only caveat there is though, that Tyson might get dropped this week, with Cunnington likely to return - so keep that in mind

 

[Corby_4]

I'm waiting a week, although if Caldwell wasn't injured he would be out for me.
With plenty of DPP options in my def and fwd I will trade him to someone like Dusty, Dunkley, Mills or Crisp next week

Yeah I don't really have too many other issues though apart from getting sucked into Stevo.
Tom Green not playing was annoying but there's no one worth getting around his price range so will need to go down to a rookie.
Thinking sideways Gaff to Andy Bray and piss him off for good.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Yep, go with the second option Gaff > Titch is a huge upgrade - especially if Shuey doesn't get up this week, and Gaff and co. get absolutely smashed by the Port mids. Caldwell > Hind makes you cash, and is a pretty safe bet moving forward. Both pretty no risk selections. Only caveat there is though, that Tyson might get dropped this week, with Cunnington likely to return - so keep that in mind

Yeah Tyson guaranteed to get dropped or borderline delisted after his effort the last fortnight. He's done and will never return.

But I'm hating Gaff that much that I'd probably hold Tyson to ditch Gaff.

I could also use Tyson as a loophole for Grundy vice. But Tyson has gone that badly that he'll probably be named sub and force me to trade him.

 

[Shadow89]

Yeah Tyson guaranteed to get dropped or borderline delisted after his effort the last fortnight. He's done and will never return.

But I'm hating Gaff that much that I'd probably hold Tyson to ditch Gaff.

I could also use Tyson as a loophole for Grundy vice. But Tyson has gone that badly that he'll probably be named sub and force me to trade him.

Yeah that's a tough one. I'd trade Gaff, just because he'll lose you a lot of money, regardless of what happens. If he keeps going the way he has, he could drop to sub 600K, and you will end up trading him anyway. Would think if they dropped Tyson, he wouldn't be the sub, as he's not exactly 'Best 22' - just filling in 'til the real mids return lol. Would probably be your best strategy IMO

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Yeah that's a tough one. I'd trade Gaff, just because he'll lose you a lot of money, regardless of what happens. If he keeps going the way he has, he could drop to sub 600K, and you will end up trading him anyway. Would think if they dropped Tyson, he wouldn't be the sub, as he's not exactly 'Best 22' - just filling in 'til the real mids return lol. Would probably be your best strategy IMO

Yeah trading Gaff will just mean I have to field Sam Berry for a week (instead of Tyson).. which at this point is an upgrade. Berry honestly looks like he could score 100+ if he can string a few possessions together!

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Arranging your team by average is a scary thing.

Gaff is my M8. GTFO of my team you spud!!!
Kmart Dusty F5.
Gulden M4... what a lad.

 

[Gunf]

Arranging your team by average is a scary thing.

Gaff is my M8. GTFO of my team you spud!!!
Kmart Dusty F5.
Gulden M4... what a lad.

Who is this Gaff you speak of, he has never been in my team and i have never even seen him is he any good?

 

[TedDougChris]

Who is this Gaff you speak of, he has never been in my team and i have never even seen him is he any good?

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Who is this Gaff you speak of, he has never been in my team and i have never even seen him is he any good?

I'm not 100% sure but I think he's new at the Eagles this year. For a first year player he's going ok. But just seems to get lost out there and barely sighted at times.
A 65 average was ok from him and we can't expect too much from these new players but I'll be subbing him off for Berry this week.

 

[mezaire]

I'm not 100% sure but I think he's new at the Eagles this year. For a first year player he's going ok. But just seems to get lost out there and barely sighted at times.
A 65 average was ok from him and we can't expect too much from these new players but I'll be subbing him off for Berry this week.

Watching the games closely as I do, being a WC supporter, Gaff is getting zero marks from kick ins. Hurn is taking the extra space and bombing it to the middle of the ground.
I reckon he was getting 7-10 +6's last year from kick ins.

 

[DynamiteDons]

Watching the games closely as I do, being a WC supporter, Gaff is getting zero marks from kick ins. Hurn is taking the extra space and bombing it to the middle of the ground.
I reckon he was getting 7-10 +6's last year from kick ins.

yep I agree!! and also WCE just doesn't trust his kicking. so through a combination of Hurn kicking longer, they no longer need those short marks off the backline

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Watching the games closely as I do, being a WC supporter, Gaff is getting zero marks from kick ins. Hurn is taking the extra space and bombing it to the middle of the ground.
I reckon he was getting 7-10 +6's last year from kick ins.

He actively runs away from the ball when it's there to be won.

It's like he's missed a team meeting and the new gameplan. Someones not doing it right.

Sheed/Kelly etc see ball, get ball, get ball forward. Gaff see's ball, runs sideways to space, gets ignored, then puts his hands on his head and takes a breath..
Or alternative he runs forward of the kicker by about 15-20meters waiting for a stupid pass down the line. The kicker goes long instead or inboard.


I think the most significant damage to Gaff is the Eagles game plan. Gaff is basically everywhere we don't need or want to be anymore. The +6's from the sideways kick are all but gone. It's no longer possession footy. Gaff's still out there looking for them but nobody cares.. there's too many better options forward to bother going sideways anymore.

He needs to adapt and adapt fast. He actually needs a role change entirely from my perspective. Either playing forward of the ball, or behind it. Not shadowing the guy who currently has it. That offers nothing at all to anyone.

His role in my fantasy team is gone, but if he keeps stinking it up in real life I don't even see a point in him being out there for the Eagles.

 

[Gunf]

He actively runs away from the ball when it's there to be won.

It's like he's missed a team meeting and the new gameplan. Someones not doing it right.

Sheed/Kelly etc see ball, get ball, get ball forward. Gaff see's ball, runs sideways to space, gets ignored, then puts his hands on his head and takes a breath..
Or alternative he runs forward of the kicker by about 15-20meters waiting for a stupid pass down the line. The kicker goes long instead or inboard.


I think the most significant damage to Gaff is the Eagles game plan. Gaff is basically everywhere we don't need or want to be anymore. The +6's from the sideways kick are all but gone. It's no longer possession footy. Gaff's still out there looking for them but nobody cares.. there's too many better options forward to bother going sideways anymore.

He needs to adapt and adapt fast. He actually needs a role change entirely from my perspective. Either playing forward of the ball, or behind it. Not shadowing the guy who currently has it. That offers nothing at all to anyone.

His role in my fantasy team is gone, but if he keeps stinking it up in real life I don't even see a point in him being out there for the Eagles.

I watched the Dogs v WC game and on multiple occasions when Gaff was near the ball he took a step back and let others win it which made me disgusted as as senior player he should be trying to set an example for younger player in that situation.

Now that may be a game plan thing but you would think with so many of your best mids out he would step up and try to win the contested ball.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

I watched the Dogs v WC game and on multiple occasions when Gaff was near the ball he took a step back and let others win it which made me disgusted as as senior player he should be trying to set an example for younger player in that situation.

Now that may be a game plan thing but you would think with so many of your best mids out he would step up and try to win the contested ball.

Absolutely. I understand Gaffs role is on the outside.. but when there's a ball in dispute and Gaff is the closest Eagle he SHOULD be taking it upon himself to be the clearance man or at least make a contest of it. I noticed it alot last year with every side actually. Outside players running away from a free ball to get into space, yet the other team then scoops it up and runs the other way. Modern football looks amazing at it's best, but it looks completely stupid at it's worst.

He seems afraid to get dirty or draw contact. Not sure if that is a coaches directive (for him never to get involved, as we need him on the outside), or whether he's carrying something, or just downright soft/out of form. Could be all of the above.

 

[TedDougChris]

Watching the games closely as I do, being a WC supporter, Gaff is getting zero marks from kick ins. Hurn is taking the extra space and bombing it to the middle of the ground.
I reckon he was getting 7-10 +6's last year from kick ins.

We were deliberately clearing space, hoping we could win the ball from a long kick out and then send it back inside 50 before WCE were prepared and setup.

We did not want a chain of WCE possessions and structuring up ahead of the ball - we had enough trouble with the key forwards as it was....

 

[Shadow89]

Reckon seeing as I've got no 'forced' trades this week, I'm just gonna take the punt on the breakeven guys in Walker and Hardwick, and then upgrade one/both of them in a couple of weeks time if they're duds. Either way, I feel like my trades are both upgrades, so it'll be an improvement on what I already have. Would go Dusty, but I feel like he'll have a date with Hewett this week, and won't be worth the full price I'll have to pay to get him.

De Goey > Walker
Idun (was Kozi who replaced his score so means I'm not having to play Kozi on field with Idun out) > Hardwick

366K remaining

If Bergman doesn't get selected with their returning players, I'll go Bergman > Walker, leaving me with no kitty but also leaving De Goey which I can downgrade to Campbell next week if need be

Gives me:

DEF: Laird, Doch, Hardwick, Fantasia, Clark, Highmore (Kozi, Briggs)

MID: Macrae, Zerrett, Cogs, Walsh, Taranto, Powell, Gulden, Jordon (Brockman, Sharp)

RUC: Grundy, Flynn (Meek)

FWD: Dunks, Phillips, Walker, Hind, Warner, Bergman (Rowe, Scott)

UTL: Hunter


Lock and load!

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Reckon seeing as I've got no 'forced' trades this week, I'm just gonna take the punt on the breakeven guys in Walker and Hardwick, and then upgrade one/both of them in a couple of weeks time if they're duds. Either way, I feel like my trades are both upgrades, so it'll be an improvement on what I already have.

De Goey > Walker
Idun (was Kozi who replaced his score) > Hardwick

366K remaining

If Bergman doesn't get selected with their returning players, I'll go Bergman > Walker, leaving me with no kitty but also leaving De Goey which I can downgrade to Campbell next week if need be

Lock and load!

I like it. If you have no forced trades this week you've obviously avoided the chaos and lemons thus far so can afford to take a risk on the low BE plays. Could be a stroke of genius if they can go even at 80's for a few weeks. Ticking over cash and points.

Hard to see what strategy is working right now (Guns and rooks versus more mid pricing). I think picking up mid pricers early is still the go this year, and just keeping turning them over playing the BE game until we can get up to some fallen premos.

Gulden/Jordan/Warner/Campbell all acceptable rooks to field. Beyond that it drops off pretty quick. Berry/Powell/Highmore/Bergman/Rowe (at AAMI) are better off on the fringes of our fantasy teams but ok to field in a pinch.

But if there's no gem rookies coming through to replace them it'll be hard to turnover cash from rookies alone (guys like Perkins/Macrae etc will come in and might score ok, but we'll be pay top dollar for them).

 

[DynamiteDons]

Seems all you WCE mob on here! Can anyone tell me Barrass's increase in scoring is attainable, is it a role change or is it something to monitor

 

[Shadow89]

I like it. If you have no forced trades this week you've obviously avoided the chaos and lemons thus far so can afford to take a risk on the low BE plays. Could be a stroke of genius if they can go even at 80's for a few weeks. Ticking over cash and points.

Hard to see what strategy is working right now (Guns and rooks versus more mid pricing). I think picking up mid pricers early is still the go this year, and just keeping turning them over playing the BE game until we can get up to some fallen premos.

Gulden/Jordan/Warner/Campbell all acceptable rooks to field. Beyond that it drops off pretty quick. Berry/Powell/Highmore/Bergman/Rowe (at AAMI) are better off on the fringes of our fantasy teams but ok to field in a pinch.

But if there's no gem rookies coming through to replace them it'll be hard to turnover cash from rookies alone (guys like Perkins/Macrae etc will come in and might score ok, but we'll be pay top dollar for them).

Yep exactly my thoughts. If I had to trade a Caldwell, Stevo, Draper, Gaff etc. then there'd be no way I'd take any other risks. As it stands, I get a rook out of my team and bring in a solid mid-pricer with a good role and a very low BE, and I also bring in a roaming key forward with a ridiculously low BE, good draw coming up, and I end up trading either a rook in Bergman, or a guy like De Goey who has not got the role we were promised.

Very little downside IMO, and very little risk. Plus, getting De Goey out means I can use my kitty to fix up my ruck department if sh*t goes south with Flynn/Meek and Hunter get dropped when Treacy returns/Ryder and Marshall return. If both Walker and Hardwick fail, I've just wasted a couple of trades, but made over 100K and can upgrade them the following week provided there are no other forced trades

 

[bl4ke]

Hind and Andy Bray vs Campbell and Titch

 

[SELFCONFESDAFLNERD]

Hind and Andy Bray vs Campbell and Titch

Tough, very tough. I like all 4 but might go Hind and Andy Bray as i rate Bray highly and reckon he will be as good as Titch and Hind might be slightly better than Campbell.