Analysis 2021 trade thread

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We could move both Ely Smith and CEY to the Rookie list
Which would give us 4 picks.
We bring in a backup Ruck, ruck/forward and still take 3 picks to the draft but that means all of Ballenden, Joyce and Smith would need to be delisted.
You can;t just move players on to the rookie list. Spots must be available and we don’t have the vacancies. Player's also have to agree.
 
You can;t just move players on to the rookie list. Spots must be available and we don’t have the vacancies. Player's also have to agree.

Can if they're contracted for next year.


They will, however, be able to shift players on the senior list to the rookie list in the time between the national and rookie drafts if the player is contracted for 2022.
 

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I wonder if we missed a trick by not asking the whole group of players to take a pro rata pay cut to offset the reduced salary cap. By not doing that it effectively means we have overpaid on players wages based on the reduced cap and as a result we have no room to move in this trade period.

I think we should be pretty happy with our squad, but that doesn't mean we should sit on our hands. Which is maybe what we have done by not reducing our players salaries.

I guess by not doing it, it builds some goodwill with the players we have? Probably not the way I'd have gone about it, but I'm sure the club has good reason to justify what they've done.
 
I wonder if we missed a trick by not asking the whole group of players to take a pro rata pay cut to offset the reduced salary cap. By not doing that it effectively means we have overpaid on players wages based on the reduced cap and as a result we have no room to move in this trade period.

I think we should be pretty happy with our squad, but that doesn't mean we should sit on our hands. Which is maybe what we have done by not reducing our players salaries.

I guess by not doing it, it builds some goodwill with the players we have? Probably not the way I'd have gone about it, but I'm sure the club has good reason to justify what they've done.

We're not alone in being tight with our cap. From what I've been paying attention to, most clubs are tight with both cap space & list space. Hawks, North & probably Freo once Cerra moves on are the ones that seem to have a bit of cap space.

Dunstan will be on bugger all at Melbourne, same with Finlayson at Port, he'll probably be on less than what they were paying Ladhams who will go to Sydney & take up the slack with their losing Dawson. Not a lot of wriggle room when you're a top 8 side.
 
We're not alone in being tight with our cap. From what I've been paying attention to, most clubs are tight with both cap space & list space. Hawks, North & probably Freo once Cerra moves on are the ones that seem to have a bit of cap space.

Dunstan will be on bugger all at Melbourne, same with Finlayson at Port, he'll probably be on less than what they were paying Ladhams who will go to Sydney & take up the slack with their losing Dawson. Not a lot of wriggle room when you're a top 8 side.
Also even before the salary cap was cut how often do you see a team bring in a Neale and Daniher caliber of player within two years of each other. Add that to a lot of our key players being young stars that would need contract upgrades and I think we’ve done pretty well to not end up like GWS having to offload a really quality player every couple years.
 
Also even before the salary cap was cut how often do you see a team bring in a Neale and Daniher caliber of player within two years of each other, and a significant pay rise to Cameron, and the re-signing of Rayner to a new and improved contract. Add that to a lot of our key players being young stars that would need contract upgrades and I think we’ve done pretty well to not end up like GWS having to offload a really quality player every couple years.
Added a couple of other big money club moves.
 
Can if they're contracted for next year.


Looks like you can't utilise that mechanism to open up list spots to be used at the national draft (unlike last year). Will probably need to delist players and re-draft them at the rookie draft, i.e. the old fashioned way.
 
Wouldn’t mind stretching for Cox if possible..although I get a mercenary feel with him and will go to the highest bidder which would preclude us.

Not beyond possibility his best footy is ahead,giant with less than 8 years in system ?

Change of scenery..bogged down with Melb scrutiny and style of coaching ?

Sheer height demands serious opposition strategy leaving others to feast ?
 
Looks like you can't utilise that mechanism to open up list spots to be used at the national draft (unlike last year). Will probably need to delist players and re-draft them at the rookie draft, i.e. the old fashioned way.

We've done it a lot over the years so no if we have to do it that way no biggie. Probably makes no difference ultimately. Seems likely Joyce and B. Smith are ear marked for the Archie and Birchall spots considering we haven't delisted them. I imagine we'll move CEY there too if Ballenden is delisted though we might be aiming to keep Ballenden for another year and maybe trade Ely or something if there's a suitor.

Does anyone know if we're required to elevate Matho back to the senior list due to re-signing him for two years?
 
Can if they're contracted for next year.

Looks like you can't utilise that mechanism to open up list spots to be used at the national draft (unlike last year). Will probably need to delist players and re-draft them at the rookie draft, i.e. the old fashioned way.

Last year's rule was you can do it automatically, without the player passing through any draft.

Before that they had to pass through the national draft and pre-season draft and any rookie picks before yours.

This year they have to pass through the national draft and then can be prelisted on to your rookie list.

So you can still do what we've done in the past (move players to the rookie list) with less hassle than previously, and you can still use the mechanism to open up national draft spots (delist and then relist), but it's back to at least risking that someone might poach them in the national draft.
 

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Does anyone know if we're required to elevate Matho back to the senior list due to re-signing him for two years?
We do not. We've signed plenty of players to multi-year rookie contracts (Irish boys especially, Oscar got a two year contract covering his third rookie year and first senior year, etc), and we've also moved players with multiple years on their contract to the rookie list.
 
Wouldn’t mind stretching for Cox if possible..although I get a mercenary feel with him and will go to the highest bidder which would preclude us.

Not beyond possibility his best footy is ahead,giant with less than 8 years in system ?

Change of scenery..bogged down with Melb scrutiny and style of coaching ?

Sheer height demands serious opposition strategy leaving others to feast ?
If he was even 2 years younger I would agree.
 
Don't think so. We've signed players on the rookie list to longer than one year deals in the past (Madden comes to mind).

We do not. We've signed plenty of players to multi-year rookie contracts (Irish boys especially, Oscar got a two year contract covering his third rookie year and first senior year, etc), and we've also moved players with multiple years on their contract to the rookie list.

Yeah, ignore that. I dunno why but I had it in my head that Matho moved onto the rookie list in 2019 and a two year contract would have put us in a hairy place but I'm just dumb. He only got moved there last year.
 
Last year's rule was you can do it automatically, without the player passing through any draft.

Before that they had to pass through the national draft and pre-season draft and any rookie picks before yours.

This year they have to pass through the national draft and then can be prelisted on to your rookie list.

So you can still do what we've done in the past (move players to the rookie list) with less hassle than previously, and you can still use the mechanism to open up national draft spots (delist and then relist), but it's back to at least risking that someone might poach them in the national draft.

Has this actually ever happened?
 
Has this actually ever happened?
Banfield got taken, but Richmond discussed with us prior.

There may have been one in the last five years? I vaguely recall a discussion about it previously.

Having said that, if you think about the type of player who gets moved on to the rookie list they tend to be a candidate for delisting in future years (otherwise why move them in the first point). Often they're players who have been offered around for trade and have had zero bites - otherwise they'd be at a new club, with that club picking up the tab instead of the rookie list providing minor relief. There's not exactly a huge queue lining up to poach them. Some are also actually retired, and end up on the rookie list for cap purposes (Patfull for example).

There have been a few examples where clubs have done it to long-standing players (St Kilda did it at least once) who then threatened to retire if any other club picked them up.
 
Why arent we trading next years future first rounder? We have Will Ashcroft in next years draft who i believe is a top 5 pick (may be mistaken). Maybe for that valuable first pick of the 2nd round from GC (Get the projected first round slider) & a a future 3rd for points.
So Brisbane get pick 2021 Pick 19 (22 after academy picks) & Future 3rd (around 40)
Lose a 2022 first round pick (12-18)

thoughts?
 
Banfield got taken, but Richmond discussed with us prior.

There may have been one in the last five years? I vaguely recall a discussion about it previously.

Having said that, if you think about the type of player who gets moved on to the rookie list they tend to be a candidate for delisting in future years (otherwise why move them in the first point). Often they're players who have been offered around for trade and have had zero bites - otherwise they'd be at a new club, with that club picking up the tab instead of the rookie list providing minor relief. There's not exactly a huge queue lining up to poach them. Some are also actually retired, and end up on the rookie list for cap purposes (Patfull for example).

There have been a few examples where clubs have done it to long-standing players (St Kilda did it at least once) who then threatened to retire if any other club picked them up.

Moving to the rookie list really is a have your cake and eat it (thought what the **** else do you with cake?) situation. We don't think you're good enough to be on the senior list but not quite ready to let you go.

List of guys that have solidified significant careers after being dropped to rookie list has got to be tiny.
 
Why arent we trading next years future first rounder? We have Will Ashcroft in next years draft who i believe is a top 5 pick (may be mistaken). Maybe for that valuable first pick of the 2nd round from GC (Get the projected first round slider) & a a future 3rd for points.
So Brisbane get pick 2021 Pick 19 (22 after academy picks) & Future 3rd (around 40)
Lose a 2022 first round pick (12-18)

thoughts?

We might have put it out there but not got the value we desired. It'll be traded out eventually but it might be next year when we have a better idea of what we need for our three F/S + academy player/s. I would have liked three players from this year's first round though I can't say I've seen enough of the players I like to even warrant that desire.
 
Why arent we trading next years future first rounder? We have Will Ashcroft in next years draft who i believe is a top 5 pick (may be mistaken). Maybe for that valuable first pick of the 2nd round from GC (Get the projected first round slider) & a a future 3rd for points.
So Brisbane get pick 2021 Pick 19 (22 after academy picks) & Future 3rd (around 40)
Lose a 2022 first round pick (12-18)

thoughts?
Because we don’t have the list spot for that pick
 
Why arent we trading next years future first rounder? We have Will Ashcroft in next years draft who i believe is a top 5 pick (may be mistaken). Maybe for that valuable first pick of the 2nd round from GC (Get the projected first round slider) & a a future 3rd for points.
So Brisbane get pick 2021 Pick 19 (22 after academy picks) & Future 3rd (around 40)
Lose a 2022 first round pick (12-18)

thoughts?
Gold Coasts pick 19 has already been moved on I believe.
 
Gunston to Lions is a thing??



Is that just a typo? If you replaced the one Gunston reference with Ceglar than it makes sense. If Hawks were footing most of bill would definitely jump on Ceglar vs our other ruck targets.
 

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