That’s the conundrum with Pittonett he’s as far as flexibility goes a little one dimensional so your spot on he needs to add more strings which atm seems a little incapable of, it’s ruck then rotating through the interchange bench...
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wHICH ESSENTIAL TAKES A SPOT FROM ANOTHER MIDFIELDER OR UTILITY TUPE PLAY (SWINGMan)
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Agree BB young Rucks and KP’s should never be pushed too quickly for a number of reasons...
We are in a bit of a catch22 position purely because the only two genuine ruckman on we have on our list are youngish and very young in age but very light on in experience and games played, what’s great is both in their own way have a wonderful natural aggressive nature in the way they play they have a red hot crack, the concern is if injuries hit any of them for a period of time that has a domino effect and could leave us a little vulnerable...
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I’m hoping our game plan and game style consists of pressure and two way run, attacking run and overlap off all lines when possible so I’m all for a balanced team that’s not too top heavy in any area of the ground giving us the speed run and flexibility to take teams on... well that’s the dream anyway, we have the players just waiting on a few of them to come on and click...
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One that absolutely perplexes me is Cuners. Can mark, can kick, can win his own pill, has goal sense ... just .... something ... he is missing something.
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Same, I’m a fan but an extremely frustrating player personally i had the impression that early days maybe the continuous little injury setbacks in and out of the team along with not getting too much of the ball at half forward when he did get back in might have impacted heavily on his confidence...
But there’s something else missing which I’m starting to think he lacks an edge to his game, he needs to show more initiative in and around the contests instead of playing passive and sitting outside of them...
Personally I’ve always seen him as a skillful explosive midfielder has all the tools needs to find the right mindset if he wants to take his game up that next level...
What a difference he could make if he can put it altogether only played the 37 games so far, also club has under-utilised him in the midfield rotations imo...
100% between the ears. Either he doesn't have the smarts/composure or he is just not that motivated. Possibly both.
All the skill in the world won't help if you aren't going to have a decent crack.
Personally I would have traded him at the end of this season. I just don't think he's ever going to go to the next level. Would love him to prove me wrong.
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My mail from a new player to the club is that Walsh looks absolutely incredible and he was the "best player he has ever seen on the track".
Lets hope that call was made by saad or williams and not Carroll
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Hurt his shoulder
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We have a year to asses our midfield stocks, i think we should be ok, then can assess and chase needs, kpd or forward ruck is next i reckon
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Its been said last pre season by one of the players, on the gold coast camp i think, that setters is very competitive and driven, hes just got a quiet demeanor
He'll be fine
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The ablity to win the ball 20-25 times a game.
He just needs to find a way to stay involved instead of drifting in and out of games.
If he can find a way to get the ball 5 or 6 times every qtr he is best 22 for any club in the league.
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Enter casboult
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Forwards aren't always gunna get the ball 20+ times a game, depends on the game
Big fella is a part time/rotations ruckman, does a wonderful job across all lines when called upon...
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What do you think it is? Concentration, ie he looks like he gets "lost" at times, is it lack of understanding of the structures? Really I cannot put my finger on it, I hope its not "meh I cant be stuffed for this contest ... next one" type thing.
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I should have quoted your post as well but answered I bleed Blue 's .... I really hope it isn't, I hope its a lack of understanding of the structures
With Pitto and TDK we have 2 diametrically opposed ruckman,
Pitt is strong in the body work but has almost no leap, especially late in the year where he couldn’t even get off the ground at times, plus he takes bugger all marks around the ground or forward and isn’t as good below his knees.
TDK probably the only ruck in the comp that can jump over the top of NicNat and is a very good mark but is not strong enough or big enough to win in the body work yet, his second half against Sydney gave us a great look at what we can look forward to, he wins ground balls is a descent field kick and takes the game on when he takes possession, massive upside with potential to be the best ruck in the comp.
How we use them and whether we can play 2 rucks will be the big question when it comes to how many games each plays, the Grundys, NicNats, English etc are all perfect for TDK to use his leap and athleticism, where as the big bullocking rucks we will almost certainly need Pit in the side.
If we are going to stick with a 3 tall forward line it will be nigh on impossible to play 2 rucks and while TDK could play as the 3rd tall forward Pitt can not, so maybe a TDK & Levi combo will be our best all round combo.
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Setterfield effectively started at zero. Built his game at GWS, then got injured and then had to re-adapt because the club took the conservative path, pushed him all around the ground while he was getting stronger.
We learnt a fair bit about him this year. He's far better at stoppages, but he's also good at sensing a big moment and impacting. His work around the ball in the forward half led to plenty of scoring opportunities, either by him feeding the ball out or kicking crucial goals himself. He has had a couple of big games, but I wouldn't say he's necessarily broken out as a player. It'd be nice to see him hit 30 possessions in a game and/or get a couple of BOGS - we know he's capable.
Walsh will go to another level again, and I reckon it's pretty inevitable he breaks into that A-grade bracket. He was basically playing as an elite outside mid in the back half of last season.
I reckon we will see plenty of centre square stoppages with a TDK, Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh combination next year.
We learnt a fair bit about him this year. He's far better at stoppages, but he's also good at sensing a big moment and impacting. His work around the ball in the forward half led to plenty of scoring opportunities, either by him feeding the ball out or kicking crucial goals himself. He has had a couple of big games, but I wouldn't say he's necessarily broken out as a player. It'd be nice to see him hit 30 possessions in a game and/or get a couple of BOGS - we know he's capable.
Walsh will go to another level again, and I reckon it's pretty inevitable he breaks into that A-grade bracket. He was basically playing as an elite outside mid in the back half of last season.
I reckon we will see plenty of centre square stoppages with a TDK, Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh combination next year.
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As I said earlier, 15 disposals a game is where he needs to improve. Most ever possessions in one game is 23 ... needs to add another +5 to his average game, because as you said, he is quite smart with his possessions. Kid is 22 turning 23 next season, plenty of time, I have faith he will push to A grade either this upcoming season .. or next. My belief at the start of the 66 game rebuild was everything clicking in late 2022 and 2023. The kids just need time now to consistently play together and to learn the sixth sense of where players will be at any given time.
This is a two fold process, drilling the game plan into them, and knowing your mates.
We have already seen it in patches this year and last, when it "clicks" its powerful footy we play. The longer these kids play together, the more those "patches" will become five-7 -8 minutes blocks of dominance.
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100% agree with you on TDK/Casboult being the ruck/forward combination we need next season.
