Opinion Pick 3 Versus Picks 12 & 14

[AT97]

my thinking is, we wanted to bring both campo bros. Onto the main list and therefore the two earlier picks would need to be a KPD and a quick agile type as per Austin.

Therefore, KPD would be the Whitlock who was the defender and perhaps berry who fits the other criteria.

I would go with what we have.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Reid and Hannaford maybe. I'm glad we got 3 and Smith instead.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I reckon we wanted an inside / outside mid. I think that was the number 1 priority. Someone who could help us change our midfield mix.

Turns out that player wasnt available at our original picks so the trade worked out well. Even the next tier mids like Lindsay and Hotton were gone. Think thats a big reason we went for 3.

Reid was left but some clubs (not sure who) dont see him as an onballer and hes pretty slow. I personally like him.

I agree one of the picks probably would have been a KPP.

 

[Wickzki]

Absolutely stoked with the Jagga selection and believe we'll look back on it with pride.

As for 12 and 14? Bo Allen or Joe Berry and Oliver Hannaford for mine.

I wouldn't have drafted a tall at 12 or 14 given the amount of key position depth there was on offer towards the end of the draft. You'd have been brutally unlucky to miss out entirely. In the end a couple of good options weren't even drafted and will have to earn their call up to the AFL through state league performances. I'm also of the belief that the club is in a "win now and later" mindset. I don't think drafting a key position player who needs two or three years to develop into an AFL grade player would have been in the club's best interests. I believe drafting O'Farrell where we did is perfect - and so too is giving him the locker next to Weiters.

I genuinely believe that Jagga will be a star. I had no idea of his connection to Lord before the draft. That Lord has settled in so well will help Jagga acclimate to the group. To see his family enamored with the footy club and fully on board with the club is a strong positive. It's all coming up roses for him.

I'm really happy that the club traded up to pick 3. There'll be some standout players outside of the top ten in this draft but none of them have the likelihood of success that Jagga does. A bit of pot luck needed and exceptional development programs. Some kids will fail through no fault of their own but didn't get to the right club for them. Very few can have a stellar career regardless of club and I think that's the top six this year.

 

[Blue and Blue]

We jagged a Jagga.

Don't think that can be bettered in any scenario.

 

[therubbernub]

IMO Jagga can be considered another Walsh type pick. Bust proof and a real game changer. IIRC Walsh was voted the best player in the finals series last year.
I dont know much about the 12 and 14 picks, but the likelihood of one of them being a dow or O'brien is pretty high.
We are in a premiership window and an elite ball winner who can step in straight away could mean a premiership ( see N Daicos) If we were in rebuild then I am sure sos would have taken the 2 picks. But we are not, so it makes sense to go for a specific need

Also considering the structure of our midfield and its perceived weakness -one paced/slow, to get an elite talent that fixes this issue straight away, cant be underestimated

 

[Blue_Fusion]

IMO Jagga can be considered another Walsh type pick. Bust proof and a real game changer. IIRC Walsh was voted the best player in the finals series last year.
I dont know much about the 12 and 14 picks, but the likelihood of one of them being a dow or O'brien is pretty high.
We are in a premiership window and an elite ball winner who can step in straight away could mean a premiership ( see N Daicos) If we were in rebuild then I am sure sos would have taken the 2 picks. But we are not, so it makes sense to go for a specific need

Also considering the structure of our midfield and its perceived weakness -one paced/slow, to get an elite talent that fixes this issue straight away, cant be underestimated

You're right about that... he actually did do this in a way by trading our 2019 F1 to get Stocker, Kemp and Philp...

 

[SurreyBlue]

Our picks would have ended up being 14 & 16.
It would be Faull & Reid.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Jagga is so far and above any two players we could have selected, we made the right call and any other position is incredibly optimistic.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Our picks would have ended up being 14 & 16.
It would be Faull & Reid.

Was 15 and 17, actually - there were three academy players bid on before our original Pick 12.

Berry and Reid were the players selected at those picks, and realistically we may have taken those two ourselves.

Given our need for a KPD though, and based on the assumption that two picks here means one less pick later (ie. Campos late, then nothing until the rookie draft), I think we might have looked at one of Berry/Hannaford and then taken a punt on Trainor. Allen the other obvious choice, but I worry he'd have ended up following Kemp's journey with us as a tweener shoehorned into a position of need rather than utilised to best effect.

Personally, I'm not overly enamoured with the players taken 15+. Certainly not enough to give up Smith.

 

[RPCB]

Jagga is so far and above any two players we could have selected, we made the right call and any other position is incredibly optimistic.

Yep. Do this same poll for who you would select at 3 (not including Lalor and FOS) and Jagga Smith would be voted most times, with some votes going to only 2-3 others (Draper/Langford/Smillie).

This poll for 12 + 14 has votes for 13 players.

Jagga Smith > Mixed bag of 12 + 14 poll votes > Bo Allan/Liam Baker.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Based on 2\5 of sweet FA I have a sneaking suspicion that the club would have rated HOF as the best long-term KPD prospect for our list, so short of forgoing a SPP spot, I reckon we upgraded the midfielder we would have selected to Jagga

 

[CoachB]

#3 - Jagga Smith

Pre-draft would have traded 12* for Houston and taken Bo Allan (or next best player on ratings, maybe Murphy Reid)

Having said that this decision would have been preferred over FOS (who may or may not be a jet) but with Jagga Smith sliding to #3 I think I prefer this option only because Jagga looks low risk to be a high level performer and the cap benefit makes it more likely we can afford to keep TDK.

CB

* + Steak knives, ensuring we had the picks for Campo's

 

[GoBlues!]

This poll for 12 + 14 has votes for 13 players.

Jagga Smith > Mixed bag of 12 + 14 poll votes > Bo Allan/Liam Baker.

Reminds of those mixed bag of lollies RPCB….. sometimes you get get a good one but most of them are usually crap.

 

[The Dominator7]

I like what we did, so my preference is 3 over 12 and 14

For the game being played here, I like mongrel so I’m taking a junkyard dog at both ends - OH-HO - Oli Hannaford and Harry Oliver

Would have had a hard time passing on Berry and Reid though…

 

[Arr0w]

Strart of the draft, our the pick were 12 & 14

If no F/S or academy bid on prior, they are still 12 and 14

If there were 10 F/S or academy bid on prior, then those picks would be 22 and 24

Essentially, the access to non F/S or academy players is still the same

 

[SurreyBlue]

Was 15 and 17, actually - there were three academy players bid on before our original Pick 12.

Berry and Reid were the players selected at those picks, and realistically we may have taken those two ourselves.

Given our need for a KPD though, and based on the assumption that two picks here means one less pick later (ie. Campos late, then nothing until the rookie draft), I think we might have looked at one of Berry/Hannaford and then taken a punt on Trainor. Allen the other obvious choice, but I worry he'd have ended up following Kemp's journey with us as a tweener shoehorned into a position of need rather than utilised to best effect.

Personally, I'm not overly enamoured with the players taken 15+. Certainly not enough to give up Smith.

Not sure how you concluded to your picks!!!!

 

[Arr0w]

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Not sure how you concluded to your picks!!!!

We would not have had access to Faull

It was from Berry onwards

 

[El Topo]

Strart of the draft, our the pick were 12 & 14

If no F/S or academy bid on prior, they are still 12 and 14

If there were 10 F/S or academy bid on prior, then those picks would be 22 and 24

Essentially, the access to non F/S or academy players is still the same

True enough, but it's still a useful indicator of where the picks lie in the projected talent pool. It's not as if the academy/FS kids won't be competing in the same league as the 'open draft' players.

 

[Arr0w]

True enough, but it's still a useful indicator of where the picks lie in the projected talent pool. It's not as if the academy/FS kids won't be competing in the same league as the 'open draft' players.

It's always an interesting debate, especially when doing an analysis of past years of availability of players at each pick

Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako in a open draft may have been selected at different picks, as we know clubs either don't want to upset the apple cart and or want to bid earlier to clear matching picks

Non F/S and Academy selections would not have changed availability leading into our original picks

 

[Blue__Balls]

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Not sure how you concluded to your picks!!!!

We had 12 and 14.

Ashcroft pushed them out to 13 and 15.
Lombard pushed them out to 14 and 16.
Kako pushed them out to 15 and 17.

I "concluded" them by them being the picks

 

[Coona Blues]

I had great trepidation when we traded up that we were giving up two good pieces of list generation. Likely a mid (Lindsay) and a small forward(Berry) that I really liked. Lindsay went earlier.

The other part of the equation was that it was essential to take a young KPD to develop. O’Farrell was actually spoken of as the premiere KPD in the draft before his injury dramas, a first rounder.

The issue was list spots, we were only ever getting four or five picks in the draft. When we traded Haynes in, four was the limit with the need to upgrade Boyd. (Maybe could have gone the delist and re-rookie path for Fantasia, but that would become an issue when we are looking at list spots post 2025 season.)

Had concerns we may have drafted a flawed player reaching at #3, but didn’t need to. Time will tell if Jagga is the best from the class, but I am confident in saying he is “bust-proof”. The most bankable of the guns, and he was our choice all along as it turns out. Leader. All Australian captain, Coates Talent League Team of the Year Captain, FWIW Rookie Me team of the year Captain, etc, etc. the most prolific and consistent over the season. The Sheehan quote “the boy with the dancing feet” is so appropriate. He also has a toughness which absolutely leads him to project Butters comparisons. Realistically if I was given the choice of any player in the competition to add to our list, I would be tossing up Butters and Gulden. Dare we dream there is a slim chance we have versions of both with Smith and Lucas Campo.

With limited list spots and draft capital it was tenuous if we were to get use of #40 to frank our draft strategy. We did with the “delayed” bid on Ben and ended up with “perhaps” the young KPD we coveted early in the season.

There was some risk involved, but our list management/drafting projects as perfect.

 

[DangerousD]

Some healthy, interesting discussions post this trade, before and after the draft

Firstly, I believe Jagga Smith is and will be an outstanding player, who, by reports has unquestionable professional and leadership qualities, a potential captain in waiting. That said, I also saw the potential benefits of retaining picks 12 & 14

Based on potential, is an A grader better than 2 x B+ players? Some say yes, others believe there is marginal difference in quality and we already have the top liners. Listed in the poll are players from the time of our original 1st rounder, pick 12, through to the last pick of the 2nd round (excluding Marshall). Will be slightly skewed given the Dockers had a pick in the middle

Personally, I would have retained 12 & 14, selecting Hannaford and Hynes (my other considerations were Berry and Oliver). So, would you have traded up to pick 3, or retained 12 & 14.

Either way, pick 2 players, if Austin had kept those late 1st round picks.

I will keep the poll open until the 1st week of the new season

Is it worth adding Owies to the title or assigning him a draft value, we did after all trade him along with 12 and 14 for 3.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

The other part of the equation was that it was essential to take a young KPD to develop. O’Farrell was actually spoken of as the premiere KPD in the draft before his injury dramas, a first rounder.

When we had 12 and 14, there were a number of posters suggesting that we use one of them on HO'F when some of the early drafts had him in the top 20. Given our need for a development KPD, it wasn't a bad suggestion.

The fact that we ended up getting him anyway as well as Jagga, we've done exceptionally well.....and I suspect our LM team know it. We lucked out on the Campo bid, but got exactly who we wanted when we wanted them.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

We had 12 and 14.

Ashcroft pushed them out to 13 and 15.
Lombard pushed them out to 14 and 16.
Kako pushed them out to 15 and 17.

I "concluded" them by them being the picks

I still don’t get why players that literally are not available to other clubs are added as an increase to the pick numbers, maybe later in the draft but not those projected to go in the first couple of rounds. They make zero difference to who you can actually pick.
It was pick 12 and 14 of live picks in the draft


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