Analysis 2022 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

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Bloods86 said:
Something just didn't match up with my previous post about who would come in and go out of our Elim Final team, and then I realised I'd forgotten Blakey! Reckon that's fairly right although I'd have Cunners as a starting back every day of the week.

As discussed variations are:

No Melican - if we need a KPD then I still think Fox is our next in, until Paddy, BOC or Gould prove themselves, which they have not as we speak. COR or Fox if a medium defender will do.

McDonald - personally I just had Buddy, then Ladhams replacing McLean, but would welcome Logan if in form.

Campbell right on the cusp too if any mids don't make it. Or if say Wicks has a quiet pre season.
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Damn... this whole picking the team thing is much, much harder than it looks!

You are absolutely right, if fit, Cunningham would have to be the 12-14 picked every week. In no particular order, for me that looks like: Parker, Heeney, Mills, Florent, Rowbottom, Franklin, Pappley, Hayward, Rampe, McCartin, Lloyd, Cunningham, Hickey and Gulden. That leaves 4 spots, plus the bench... and of those on the bench, one is very likely to be Kennedy (at least for the early part of the season I'm guessing) and one will go to Ladhams (mostly).

And from there my thoughts were:
*If Chad doesn't have one cemented, you'd think he'd be penciled in;
*I would think they would want McDonald to be playing every game he's fit for to continue his development;
*Same goes for Campell (on Dawson's wing maybe?)

So does Blakey or McInerney start of the bench? I guess that comes down to pre-season form, match up for the game and injuries??? Although if Blake comes back with last year's pre-injury form, I'm giving it to him... sorry Jussy :(

Going to be some pretty stiff competition for those spots, I'd think...

Anyone want to tell me where I went wrong, or where their thoughts differ form mine?
 
Kirkswan said:
Damn... this whole picking the team thing is much, much harder than it looks!

You are absolutely right, if fit, Cunningham would have to be the 12-14 picked every week. In no particular order, for me that looks like: Parker, Heeney, Mills, Florent, Rowbottom, Franklin, Pappley, Hayward, Rampe, McCartin, Lloyd, Cunningham, Hickey and Gulden. That leaves 4 spots, plus the bench... and of those on the bench, one is very likely to be Kennedy (at least for the early part of the season I'm guessing) and one will go to Ladhams (mostly).

And from there my thoughts were:
*If Chad doesn't have one cemented, you'd think he'd be penciled in;
*I would think they would want McDonald to be playing every game he's fit for to continue his development;
*Same goes for Campell (on Dawson's wing maybe?)

So does Blakey or McInerney start of the bench? I guess that comes down to pre-season form, match up for the game and injuries??? Although if Blake comes back with last year's pre-injury form, I'm giving it to him... sorry Jussy :(

Going to be some pretty stiff competition for those spots, I'd think...

Anyone want to tell me where I went wrong, or where their thoughts differ form mine?
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Spot on I reckon.

We have four half back types in Lloyd, Cunningham, McInerney and Blakey. I included Lloyd in the 22 because he's Lloyd, and the other two I got sucked in by their flashiness over Cunningham's blue collar job as Smooch 2.0.

In reality you could start any combination of 3 of them on the field, and the other on the bench, and it will matter for naught. All 4 will be locks in our defensive group and will get plenty of game-time. Starting positions and bench positions are just formalities.
 
Jewelsbon said:
I think barring injury, your team is pretty spot on with two exceptions - I reckon Paddy and Campbell both play round 1. Paddy for Melican obviously but no idea who goes for Braeden.
Totally agree and love the rest of your post Kirky and definitely not too long winded!
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I agree that if Paddy picks it up anything like Tom, he'll be in... but I had enough trouble fitting all the players I wanted in, without adding those that are not yet on the LIST!!! :eek: :cool:

I want Campbell on the wing, but that means a reshuffle and Wicks loses out... but he played so well last year, and his ceiling might not be ultra-high, he's a work horse who'll give his all for the team (reminds me in some ways of Cunningham)... so I think it's his position to lose!

All I can do is thank god I don't have to do this every week cause I'd tear my hair out!!!

Have a go... it's stressful but fun thinking about why you want the player you want wherever!
 

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FB: Rampe - T.McCartin - Lloyd
HB: Blakey - Melican - McInerney
C: Heeney - Parker - Gulden
HF: Hayward - Franklin - Papley
FF: Ladhams -McDonald - Wicks
Foll: Hickey - Mills - Rowbottom
INT: Kennedy - Cunningham - Florrent - Warner

EMG: McLean - Stephens - Fox - Campbell

If P.McCartin gets drafted and has a strong pre-season can see him over Melican

Edit: Forgot Kennedy
 
Who plays round 1 next year.. ?????
Last year, 3 draftees started - surprised everyone
Last year, 3 tall forwards (Reid, McLean, McDonald) & only 1 tall defender (McCartin) started - that structure surprised everyone

Ive heard from Swans media that alot depends on the pre-season. With a healthy list (not much off season surgery compared to normal years) I reckon there'll be about 35 players putting their hand up for selection.. With a healthy list, there'll be alot of good players on the sideline. Years of drafting and the draftees coming of age is really beginning to show results in the b22 and in the depth.

Am really happy to have drafted 4 players and kept the factory line going.
Am looking forward to watching debutants this season. Im pretty sure Sheather will get a game, and hoping Gould and a couple of the draftees also.
Am also looking forward to watching guys like Amartey, Stephens, Campbell, McDonald, Warner, all of whom I think have big afl career ahead of them get to play regular senior games
 
SGBeach said:
Reckon we should have a Swans Board competition..

What: Pick the starting 22
When: Feb 1st
Prize: Case of beer of choice

Wouldn't be surprised if none of us win!!
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Is this a sneaky way of getting us to buy you a carton?

Aren't you the bloke that takes time to attend the training sessions and reports back?

Hmmm... sounds a bit fishy to me! :tearsofjoy:
 
caesar88 said:
Spot on I reckon.

We have four half back types in Lloyd, Cunningham, McInerney and Blakey. I included Lloyd in the 22 because he's Lloyd, and the other two I got sucked in by their flashiness over Cunningham's blue collar job as Smooch 2.0.

In reality you could start any combination of 3 of them on the field, and the other on the bench, and it will matter for naught. All 4 will be locks in our defensive group and will get plenty of game-time. Starting positions and bench positions are just formalities.
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The way I look at team selection is that you have 7 defenders, 7 forwards, 7 midfielders and a ruck. You can carry an additional midfielder, or even 2, as forwards but they need to be very capable. Also, you need a third tall, preferably a forward, as the relieving ruck. Reid has done that in the past and we should expect Ladhams to do it now and probably Amartey or possibly McLean later.
So choosing 7 backs - two KPDs and a small defender have been McCartin, Rampe and Cunningham are the core defence. Melican has been tried but so far has not made either a KPD or even a medium spot his own.
Attacking defenders were Campbell, Dawson, Blakey, and JMac at different times. It's probably reasonable to think the latter 2 will stick at the start.
Lloyd is the organiser/distributor. Hard to see him shifting after 2nd in the Skilton.
One medium spot remains with Melican, COR, Fox, Gould competing for it.
If Paddy cracks it, he will push Rampe out into the mediums and all those guys will play VFL barring injuries.
 
Kirkswan said:
Is this a sneaky way of getting us to buy you a carton?

Aren't you the bloke that takes time to attend the training sessions and reports back?

Hmmm... sounds a bit fishy to me! :tearsofjoy:
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Make it a case of wine (we are sydney after all) and I'm in.
 
2022 Swans Starting 22
FB: Fox - Rampe - Lloyd
HB: Blakey - T.McCartin - Cunningham
C: McInerney - Mills - Gulden
HF: Hayward - Franklin - Papley
FF: Ladhams -McDonald - Wicks
Foll: Hickey - Heeney - Parker
INT: Kennedy - Sheldrick - Rowbottom - Chad Warner

EMG: McLean - Reid - O'Riordan - Campbell

Still think that we should've taken a key defender in the draft but I am guessing that it opens up options for Reid and Amartey to pick up and develop the role more. You can never have too many mids, its bloody hard to pick a best 22 especially with the midfielders. I have decided to take a punt and put Sheldrick into the starting 22. I dunno, I just feel his attitude, work ethic and ready to play ability carries over well to the AFL and I am 99% sure he will have a fantastic offseason bar injury. Also the draft staff cant get enough of his contested footy work, quite similar to Rowbottom.

THE TEAM

BP Fox: Seems to play on the bigger opponent and usually plays deep
FB Rampe: I felt that we was a bit on and off as one on one defender this season but loved him this year as a sweeping deep defender utilising his deep penetrating kicks + leaving his man to a contest.
BP Lloyd: Much prefer him playing deeper rather on the flank, just cause of the kick outs and always has excellent composure when clearing it out of our deep defensive 50.

HB Blakey: Awesome second half of the year, it looks like he has found his groove as a run and carry rebound defender, lets hope he can keep fit and protect himself a bit more haha.
CHB T.McCartin: Another player with an excellent second half of the year, just kept on getting better every game. Defo has the potential for an AA.
HB Cunningham: Had a few nice spells this year at half back, very underrated this year people forget how fast he is.

W McInerney: His best position, loves to take the game on, potentially have a breakout year.
C Mills: Starting to worry me a bit with his injuries and could it mean an he's injury prone which can ruin players, but hopefully he keeps fit. Apart from that, brilliant year last season when he played and one of the main pieces in our puzzle + future skip
W Gulden: Brilliant last season, will be brilliant this season. Simples, he's one of our own.


HFF Hayward: Was surprised that he was in the 2s at the start of the year, but boy oh boy such a consistent year. Accurate set shots, stronger than you think, heavily underrated in the contested marking game. This could be his massive breakout year.
CHF Franklin: No brainer really. Keen to witness his 1000th, how about him joining preseason early with the 1st to 4th years. A true champion.
HHF Papley: Fantastic last season, deserved his blazer. Always plays with a chip on his shoulder and such a heavily influence to the side when he hits the scoreboard. Other teams hate him, but we don't care.

FP Ladhams: Excited to see him play. Having him as a third tall and a backup ruck for hickey seems like the perfect role for him. Will get alot more game time here rather than at port.
FF McDonald: When we got him, I knew that he wouldn't make an instant impact cause of his physique/position. Had a few promising spells in the 1s and played real well in the VFL. But this year, no ifs not buts. We must start this man. We must pump this man into games. Will need a solid offseason too in the weights room.
FP Wicks: Just always seems to be the quiet player that's always there, a true diamond in the rough. Really rated his performances last season, so deserves a spot in the first 18.

Ruck Tom Hickey: Really happy that we have a good backup for him, so it gives him more relief and less expectations for an aging ruck. Lets hope he can have another cracking season. Nothing beats the standing ovations from the crowd after he kicks a goal when running to the bench.
Ruck Rover Isaac Heeney: Hearing the news that we wanted to play more of this man in the mids made me bloody excited. Has the physique and athleticism to be a true line breaker and can penetrate. Felt at times he was a bit slow in contests at half forward, but was still great there. I just feel its time to get him into the guts more. Probably expecting him to alternate roles.
Rover Luke Parker: He is one of our own! We all knew that he was going to stay at the club. The thing I feel with Parker is that he will continue to be a consistent strong player, but I cant see him getting any better because of the stage of his career. Not saying that in a negative way at all. Will continue to be a consistent fantastic midfielder as he always has done, but I cant really see him taking his game to the next level. Him as a mentor for the young mids will be perfect. That's why he is the heart of the club.

Interchange
Kennedy: The champ is getting old, but defo still has plenty in the tank.
Sheldrick: Controversial choice, but as I said earlier, he just looks like a natural ready to play midfielder for round 1 and can make an instant impression for the coaches to see. Should have a brilliant preseason.
Rowbottom: Loves this man, game in game out fighting for the pill and the badge. Gives him a bit of relief with sheldrick in the side too. (You can never have too many mids!)
Chad Warner: Another young gun who impressed last season. Him and Corey are truly going to be fan favourites.

Bloody keen for next year! Thoughts?

EDIT: Just realise I kinda forgot about Florent. I would replace him for Sheldrick then, but you never know.
 
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SGBeach said:
Reckon we should have a Swans Board competition..

What: Pick the starting 22
When: Feb 1st
Prize: Case of beer of choice

Wouldn't be surprised if none of us win!!
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FB: Rampe T McCartin Cunningham
HB: Lloyd Reid Blakey
C: Parker Warner Florent
HF: Heeney Franklin Campbell
F: Papley McDonald Hayward
Foll: Hickey Mills Rowbottom
IC: Stephens McInerney Kennedy Gulden

No Fox or Wicks - controversial, I know. Ditto Ladhams.

Stephens to have a break-out season.

Armatey to be a surprise development as a key defender.

Bell to be selected by round 3, causing me to have a melt that’d do the West Coast board proud.
 
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Ok, let's give this a go:

FB: Cunningham. P. McCartin. Rampe
HB: Blakey. T.McCartin. Lloyd
C: Florent. Mills. McInerney
HF: Gulden. Franklin. Heeney
F: Papley. McLean. Hayward
Foll: Hickey. Rowbottom. Parker

Int: Campbell Kennedy Ladhams Wicks

I've jumped in to the Paddy Wagon. Let's see where it goes. Melican as backup. Would be very surprised if Reid ends up down back, but stranger things have happened. Hopefully we try BOC or Gould before Reid.

I have McLean instead of McDonald for now, depends on how much Logan has progressed come round 1. McLean is a better contested mark and will challenge the opposition defense more. There will be occasions where we will be bombing it to the forward line (not by design but under pressure) and we need someone who can mark or compete in the air. IMO having McLean gives us better balance overall. I think McDonald is still a work in progress and more of a long term option to fill the Franklin position in 1-2 years.

Still not sure about Ladhams and how that effects team dynamic, or how it works in tandem with Hickey, but having a decent second ruck should help. Will be interesting to see how high up the ground Ladhams plays (when not rucking), as he is very mobile, not so great overhead.

I love Warner (the Chad) but with Kennedy in the team he misses out, I went for balance on the bench. Warner is impactful but still needs a clear run to develop consistency. Might rotate with Kennedy - not sure if we will decide to manage Kennedy this year. Club legend but is now getting to the awkward stage.

Still not totally convinced with Campbell at the moment. Has huge potential, but will probably only progress with game time. I'm guessing that without Dawson we will try to use Campbell in a similar role, as a wing / defensive sweeper and connector who can occasionally pull the trigger for longer accurate kicks if necessary to open up attacking plays, or kick over the wall. Not sure if he has the tank yet though. Perhaps Campbell and Stephens as interchangeable throughout the year, on the wing.

Wonder if we will back track on the Heeney more midfield time next year comment, now that we seem to have a plethora of midfielders to both choose from and develop. Perhaps some pinch hitting in the guts if we need a boost, then drifting forward to make it difficult/confusing for opposition to cover defensively, like the old Dusty trick.

Hope Rowbottom can have a clear run, he looks ready and hungry for a massive year.

I'm hoping someone will come from the outer, put their hand up or surprise us (a bit like Warner last year, McInerney the year before) and make us sound like fools. Possibly Stephens, looks to have beefed up a bit. Again, stating the obvious, needs game time and a clear run. Catch22. The benefit of being lower on the ladder was being able to give younger players game time. All of a sudden we have become contenders and may be more reluctant to do this now.
 
cptkirk said:
It's not all or nothing just heavily favoured towards an offensive an attacking style as there's still a strong defensive plan that goes along with it and yeah we'll iron some crinkles over the pre-season and make it even better on both sides of the ball.

Outsiders,and probably a lot of people here would think we go fast when we don't really, we go precise (attempting to get corridor if possible) most of the time but not a break neck speed and some of our run from the back in past years was way quicker.

We simply want to get a mark (a downfall of losing Dawson), so we can hold and let the 6/6/6 formation start to take shape and then we go again but we'll only hold as long as the first option that we WANT, not have becomes available which I think we did a great job of last year.

You can see it here where we get the mark along the boundary and he literally waits for the initial wave of players to run forward before releasing in board - if he just plays on and goes forward then we don't have 6 forwards in there for high pressure if we lose it nor do we have our midfielder defensive line anywhere near set up.

That being said we'd have liked a better entry then we eventually got in that instance.

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I think it is both. We have that play or the run and carry, handballing out of trouble. We break the lines to tear sides apart. this is what sometimes comes apart and leaves us vulnerable.
 
Punts said:
Cant see ladhams amd McLean in the front half together

to slow
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Why not? If Reid is not there, it would be ok. So we have Ladhams, Mclean & Bud as talls. Heens and Will as mediums and Paps, Campbell or Gulden as smalls. Then again, when Hickey is resting we could go smaller. Having only two talls.
 
A Depth chart I came up with:

Key Defender
T McCartin
D Rampe
L Melican
R Fox
W Gould
S Reid

General Defender
D Rampe
C Mills
H Cunningham
R Fox
J Lloyd
C O'Riordan
S Reid
W Gould
B O'Connor

Attacking Defender
J McInerney
J Lloyd
N Blakey
B Campbell
H Cunningham
D Stephens
(L Rankin)

Outside Midfield
I Heeney
J McInerney
E Gulden
B Campbell
O Florent
N Blakey
D Stephens
L Taylor
J Bell
(Co Warner)

Inside Midfield
C Mills
L Parker
J Kennedy
Ch Warner
J Rowbottom
E Gulden
T Papley
O Florent
R Clarke
(A Sheldrick)
(M Roberts)
(Co Warner)

Defensive Midfield
C Mills
R Clarke
R Fox

Ruckman
T Hickey
P Ladhams
S Naismith
H McLean
C Sinclair
J Amartey
L McAndrew
S Reid

Key forward
L Franklin
L McDonald
T McCartin
H McLean
J Amartey
S Reid
I Heeney
C Sinclair
P Ladhams
N Blakey

General forward
I Heeney
T Papley
E Gulden
W Hayward
S Wicks
N Blakey
L Parker
B Ronke
H Cunningham
L Taylor
J Bell
(M Roberts)
(L Rankin)
 
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scaryness said:
A Depth chart I came up with:

Key Defender
T McCartin
D Rampe
L Melican
W Gould
S Reid

General Defender
D Rampe
C Mills
H Cunningham
R Fox
J Lloyd
C O'Riordan
S Reid
B O'Connor

Attacking Defender
J McInerney
J Lloyd
N Blakey
B Campbell
H Cunningham
D Stephens
(L Rankin)

Outside Midfield
I Heeney
J McInerney
E Gulden
B Campbell
O Florent
N Blakey
D Stephens
L Taylor
J Bell
(Co Warner)

Inside Midfield
C Mills
L Parker
J Kennedy
Ch Warner
J Rowbottom
E Gulden
T Papley
O Florent
R Clarke
(A Sheldrick)
(M Roberts)
(Co Warner)

Defensive Midfield
C Mills
R Clarke
R Fox

Ruckman
T Hickey
P Ladhams
S Naismith
H McLean
C Sinclair
J Amartey
L McAndrew
S Reid

Key forward
L Franklin
L McDonald
T McCartin
H McLean
J Amartey
S Reid
I Heeney
C Sinclair
P Ladhams
N Blakey

General forward
I Heeney
T Papley
E Gulden
W Hayward
S Wicks
N Blakey
L Parker
B Ronke
H Cunningham
L Taylor
J Bell
(M Roberts)
(L Rankin)
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Gould more a medium defender IMO
 
momentbymoment said:
I know we tried this last year.
Was it successful?
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He was tried as a defender in 2019 for around 4 games and it was some of the most inept defending I have ever seen frankly.
He has improved his all round game since then but I still doubt he has improved to the point where he would be an effective defender.
 
momentbymoment said:
I know we tried this last year.
Was it successful?
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Nup not a success.. but as alex4445 said, His game has improved.
Big fan of Amartey. Forward ruck.
Big, strong, agile, very quick, crash packs, kick from outside 50.. Heeeeaps of potential.
Last year was his best year injury wise. The few games he played he showed a lot.
I reckon (if he stays fit) he will become a regular in the forward line.
Buddy, Reid, Hickey retire in 1-2 years.
- Ladhams to ruck
- McDonald to key forward
- Amartey to forward / ruck
- Paddy & McLean depth
Paddy if fit could be join McDonald, Ladhams, Amartey as the talls forward and ruck. those 4 could form a pretty dangerous forward and ruck combo.
 

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