Toast 2024 Best and Fairest - Skilton Medal

[ashep]

The point I'm making is that it's largely a list of uncontested, outside players. The only defender on the list is a mainly uncontested, attacking defender. No key defenders, no lockdown defenders, only two two-way players. You can get a good gist of what we're about from who our coaches perceived to be our top ten performing players. Compare it with Brisbane's top 10 from this year, or our top 10 from our premiership in 2012, and I think you can see where things start to go wrong for us.

It's absolutely not a criticism of the players.

There are plenty of teams with top 10s full of the types of players you're talking about who didn't make a grand final. I think it's a bit reductive to consider it at all informative.

 

[sataris]

You have not moved on either.

I'm still at the G waiting for the players to turn up.

 

[rustycrate]

I'm still at the G waiting for the players to turn up.

 

[Mister B]

He has to a certain extent made this BS Medal a hard if not impossible to watch. He feels like a school teacher at times

I feel like this is an insult to teachers. How ****ing dare you.

 

[Kbroome]

I feel like this is an insult to teachers. How ****ing dare you.

My brother in-law is a teacher, maybe i should have been specific and said Principle vibes

 

[Day_night_honourer]

I feel like this is an insult to teachers. How ****ing dare you.

Haha...when I read that I thought to myself Mr B and Robbie Fox won't like those comparisons

 

[MightyBloods]

Sorry, it’s getting late, I’m not sure what point you’re making.

Edit: Ignore me, I just saw your subsequent explanation.

Caesar88, I rated your opinions until this year. I used to find you incisive and have a good view of our team. Your views have soured a lot this past few months, like you're a different person. Sad. And now you have a go at our best 10 in the B& F. Maybe you should find another club?

 

[Tedeski]

Listened to Horse’ speech.

Well done guys.
We’ve come second 4 times which is better than 16 other clubs that wish they were us.

 

[SGBeach]

Listened to Horse’ speech.

Well done guys.
We’ve come second 4 times which is better than 16 other clubs that wish they were us.

If you listen to Horses speech he says.. there are players that wish to be brisbane, and players that DONT wish to be Swans

 

[caesar88]

There are plenty of teams with top 10s full of the types of players you're talking about who didn't make a grand final. I think it's a bit reductive to consider it at all informative.

But I'm talking about the teams that have won grand finals... look at Brisbane's last year, Collingwood's last year, Geelong's in 2022, Melbourne's in 2021, Richmond's in 2020. All have a variety of players including those types I listed. Ours is skewed far more towards uncontested, outside players. That's just a fact, not saying those players are or aren't deserving, it's how the votes panned out. I named my top ten players in the random opinions thread today and it wasn't at all dissimilar to how the top ten panned out in the B&F.

I'm just saying that it's indicative of our strengths and weaknesses as a team and a game plan. And I think those strengths and weaknesses played a big part in the outcome of our year.

 

[caesar88]

On a more positive note, it was bloody good to see Heeney win a best & fairest. Kinda wild to think he'd never even finished on the podium before, and now he's won it in rather dominant fashion. (Won handily and you have to think if he'd not missed two games, his lead would've been more.)

I think it's a great example for any player who is mid-career and feels they have more to give and are capable of more than what they've shown (even if what they've already shown is great enough on its own, as is the case with Heeney.)

 

[Caj]

Longmire speech was fine. Looking for him to pin point what went wrong is hard work. Pridham said the club will under take a review.

As Longmire’s son texted him, that’s life.

Yeah don’t worry dad, you’ll still be paid your $20,000 weekly salary, and they’ll never sack you no matter how many times you fail

Happy days

 

[Bloods86]

Longmire speech was fine. Looking for him to pin point what went wrong is hard work. Pridham said the club will under take a review.

As Longmire’s son texted him, that’s life.

Cbf watching any of it tbh. If it's an external review good. If it's the club doing it's own, like post-2022, god help us.

 

[SwansLifer]

Cbf watching any of it tbh. If it's an external review good. If it's the club doing it's own, like post-2022, god help us.

Couldn't agree with this any more. People within the Swans should be welcoming an outside voice on this.

 

[Cadsky]

Couldn't agree with this any more. People within the Swans should be welcoming an outside voice on this.

Boys club

 

[Kiama Chris]

My brother in-law is a teacher, maybe i should have been specific and said Principle vibes

My wife was a brilliant principal. Her father too. Wash your mouth out!

 

[Olian]

Cbf watching any of it tbh. If it's an external review good. If it's the club doing it's own, like post-2022, god help us.

CBF watching but happy to post about it… TBH who cares who reviews.

 

[Bloods86]

CBF watching but happy to post about it… TBH who cares who reviews.

I watched the whole season it was based on. So yeah, happy to post about the rankings and the GF failure I paid a couple of grand to experience (like I also experienced in 22).

 

[Kbroome]

My wife was a brilliant principal. Her father too. Wash your mouth out!

I must have had some stinkers of principals

 

[sataris]

I must have had some stinkers of principals

People remember their school principals?

 

[Kbroome]

People remember their school principals?

When your my age i would hope so. But had one at a private school that talked so bloody slowly and took a 5 second break after each sentence (really emphasised his point). Would turn a 5 minute speech into 10-15 minutes

 

[KingV23]

When your my age i would hope so. But had one at a private school that talked so bloody slowly and took a 5 second break after each sentence (really emphasised his point). Would turn a 5 minute speech into 10-15 minutes

School assemblies would have been fun.

 

[Kbroome]

School assemblies would have been fun.

Literally his best speech was 24 minutes i believe in like a 50 minute assembly

 

[bedford]

I can't stand Spenser, thinks he's the greatest swans fan ever

 

[Tedeski]

If you listen to Horses speech he says.. there are players that wish to be brisbane, and players that DONT wish to be Swans

There are only two things we can be after making & badly losing 4 GFs in a row in 11 years & we can all, as supporters, choose how we wish to look at our team or how we interpret our coach's words.


a) Since the AFL started, we are consistently better than 16 other teams in the competition because we just make Grand Finals better & more often than any other team.

OR

b) We have the worst Grand Final record of any team in the AFL since it became a national competition which means we have never really been the top team in those years we finished in top position on the ladder.


Take your pick & don't try & argue against anyone who chooses the different option to you.

For me, wt Horse said is pure Horse shit which to is more about making sure his GF damaged & head f k d players are ready to hit the ground running in the new pre-season.

One thing I do know about our club is that we aren't going to be 13 & 1 after 14 rounds next year.
Think about that everyone.