MRP / Trib. 2022 - MRO Chook Lotto - Carlton Tribunal News & Reports

[Gethelred]

Well that's ok then.....

Glad we got that settled.

 

[sosos]

Amon fined $3k down to $2k with an early plea for striking Sosos.

Hawkins should get a week for his Greg Louganis impersonation.

 

[carlton_99]

No fine for staging for Hawkins. Who would have thought...?

 

[Revenant1965]

No fine for staging for Hawkins. Who would have thought...?

And why am I not surprised....

 

[sosos]

I'm only surprised that the AFL didn't pay Hawkins $3k for the inconvenience of them looking at it.

 

[Wickzki]

No fine for staging for Hawkins. Who would have thought...?

One rule for the seriel offenders down at Geelong and one for everybody else.

And staging for frees that aren't there isn't going to help his cause...

Took a single round to prove my point that it does for others.

 

[Dadda Dave]

No fine for staging for Hawkins. Who would have thought...?

It's a joke of an organisation .
There was someone else too in one of the other games when the ump called that player out on it can't remember what game or player it was now though.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Surprised Darcy Gardiner

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196.1

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10.7

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got off for a fine. Could have hurt that Pies player (forgot who it was) lungs or kidneys with that late,hard whack into his back.

Bit surprised the media haven't really spoken about it.

 

[thylacine60]

And why am I not surprised....

It's like they put their heads together, find out the general opinion of the footy going public, and go 180 degrees the other way.

 

[Metalcrusher]

No fine for staging for Hawkins. Who would have thought...?

But .. but ... but .. David King has had ENOUGH!!!

“I’ve had enough”: AFL encouraged to elevate staging penalty

"We’re not savage enough, are we?"

www.sen.com.au

LOLOLOLO ...

 

[mickelboy182]

One rule for the seriel offenders down at Geelong and one for everybody else.


Took a single round to prove my point that it does for others.

I don't think you understand what a proof is... I could pick out a bunch of examples that demonstrate otherwise.

 

[Brackets]

Not staging...

 

[teagueyubeauty]

What a ****ing joke


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[Blue Warrior]

Those comedians at the MRO They're just Trolling the Fans now.

 

[Blue Doormat]

If the staging results in a free kick goal.
How about, like a goal review it is examined by the video umpire and an offending player is sin binned for 5 minutes and their team made to play 1 down?
Or the resulting score is cancelled?
Teams need to feel the pain in game not a nothing $1000 afterwards and potentially when they’ve stolen a victory.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Can we retrospectively appeal Harry's fine using Hawkins as a precedent?

 

[Mondyboy]

Can we retrospectively appeal Harry's fine using Hawkins as a precedent?

I said on Twitter before this debacle that if Hawkins wasn’t fined Harry and LoB deserved a refund. Jon Ralph liked my Tweet (and corrected me that LoB wasn’t fined, just cited). Still, the point stands. The lack of consistency is laughable.


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[Wickzki]

I don't think you understand what a proof is... I could pick out a bunch of examples that demonstrate otherwise.

Proof?

A notorious stager commits something that is highly publicised and gets away with it.

That's evidence enough that if you stage consistently then there is a degree of likelihood that you'll get away with it.

 

[Dramoth]

There was also the head high fend off from Powell-Pepper. SPP thrust his arm out and caught, I think it was Newnes, in the face. You see our player and lift both hands to his face and stop dead in his tracks. Why wasn't that looked at? Head high contact from an incident that should have drawn a free kick?

 

[mickelboy182]

Proof?

A notorious stager commits something that is highly publicised and gets away with it.

That's evidence enough that if you stage consistently then there is a degree of likelihood that you'll get away with it.

Yes you will suck in an ump from time to time, but you will also lose out on more and more 50/50 calls if you start getting a reputation. Umpires are human not robots. We could both go on and on picking out calls and non-calls, that doesn't actually prove anything.

 

[BlueJet]

Yes you will suck in an ump from time to time, but you will also lose out on more and more 50/50 calls if you start getting a reputation. Umpires are human not robots. We could both go on and on picking out calls and non-calls, that doesn't actually prove anything.

Nobody is expecting perfection but the weekend highlights a significant issue with the system at present.
Umpires are routinely being sucked in & a bemused gesture will randomly draw a harsher penalty than the act of making the umpire look foolish to begin with - IMO the AFL could be proactive & take a hard stance against these acts to eradicate them, which in turn would make things easier for umpires & reduce frustration for players/fans.

 

[mickelboy182]

Nobody is expecting perfection but the weekend highlights a significant issue with the system at present.
Umpires are routinely being sucked in & a bemused gesture will randomly draw a harsher penalty than the act of making the umpire look foolish to begin with - IMO the AFL could be proactive & take a hard stance against these acts to eradicate them, which in turn would make things easier for umpires & reduce frustration for players/fans.

Oh I agree with you completely, just stating that Harry developing a reputation as a diver won't help him in the long run.

 

[BlueJet]

Oh I agree with you completely, just stating that Harry developing a reputation as a diver won't help him in the long run.

I obviously misinterpreted your comment, sorry mate.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

In my opinion the Hawkins non-fine is influenced be the “demonstrative“ agenda being pushed by the AFL at present.

If Hawkins is fined then this is an admission that the umpire made the wrong call. The wrong call and it’s influence on the game is then compounded by the non-officiating umpire implementing a 50 mtr penalty for demonstrative behaviour when this is replayed on the big screen live at the ground.

Whilst I support the AFLs push to “protect” the umpires from abuse it’s difficult to justify and impose the applicable penalties when calls are made that are doubtful at best, or just plain wrong.

What it highlights most is if the AFL have an “agenda“ to protect / implement, they will happily apply a context that will be applied proportionately to suit and protect that agenda.

It really should have been simply handled -

Did the umpire make the wrong call? Most would say yes - Yet the umpire did so because Hawkins exaggerated contact (staged)

If this was clearly stated post the incident to the broader AFL communty the umpire would / should receive empathy, or at the very least, justification as to why they made the decision.

The condemnation should then rightly be focussed on Hawkins action.

Hawkins would and should be fined -

In my opinion, the penalties should be higher. I’d be happy to start at a one week suspension, increasing for repeated acts. McKay should have got a week for his nonsense the week before. This is the only way you’re going to stamp it out.

In my opinion the “demonstative“ agenda needs to be applied in context / or at the determination of the umpires. To blanket apply what is demonstrative or not is going to create confusion for everyone.
Each rule is adjudicated through the lens of the umpires interpretation, can’t see why this shouldn’t be also.

Afterall, wouldn’t it be the umpire directly involved to be best abled to make a determination of what they believed was demonstrative to them or not?

 

[Aphrodite]