4flagsin5yrs
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Cerra. How good?
Hewett? Less flashy but just as effective....
Hewett? Less flashy but just as effective....
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4flagsin5yrs
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He's clearly getting better.
Doesn't need 'a hit'. Silly stuff.
Just more game time....way past hearing footsteps....
Will he make it? Who knows.
Sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way - Harry, Charlie proof of that.
Ditto Jack Martin till the 4th - how good was he then?
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On the other side - Tigs finding out a bit about their next bracket of players. Graham, Ross, Baker, etc. might not be AFL level mids now that Cotchin, Martin and co aren't doing all of the heavy lifting. Exposed as good VFL players maybe?
And their rucks had zero impact. The stats had them winning the hitout count but got destroyed in the clearances - overrated.
And their rucks had zero impact. The stats had them winning the hitout count but got destroyed in the clearances - overrated.
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Okay.
So the really interesting thing about the clearance dominance is how we're doing it. Tap down to Cripps, Kennedy, Hewitt or Cerra; handpass from one to another, looking to get clear; handpass again to someone even further in the clear, either one of these three or a wing. And that's just the centre; on the wings, there's Saad, Doc, LOB, Setterfield, Williams lurking out the sides and the back of a stoppage to get and go if clear. There's a clear delineation of responsibility and of the different roles between clearance getters and receivers/disposers, and they're clearly encouraged to share the ball. It's kind of akin to Sydney 2012, because there's no-one better than anyone else; there's a sense of self sacrifice in the dominance. There's a recognition of different capabilities and of equal contribution; there's only capability and position to determine who gets and gives to who. This is such a jarring juxtaposition with last year, when we had effort being the determining factor between who won the ball and who kicked it, but it's very much a welcome change.
There was a clear intent after the first to go slowly with intent. The G is on paper, despite Richmond's dominance there over the immediate past, the perfect ground to expose their game if you can cut them up by foot; that it hasn't or didn't happen is a testament to how good they were. We went in prepared to beat them around the ball, but our disposal by foot and hand to advance forward and use the full width of the ground showed a desire to dictate terms; we'll do what we can to counter what weapons you've got in order to get the game on our terms. The midfield was a grind, but our kicking game from the back half was absolutely ****ing wonderful. Gov absolutely smashed it; Saad was genuinely a matchwinner; Doc played a wing/HBF, and was just as pivotal. It's interesting to me how people criticised Williams, because a cornerstone of Richmond's flags were their dangerous smalls and the fact that those HFF/FP made the intercept defenders/+1's accountable; their game is built on shutting down that drive off half back. You cannot build a game around just beating everyone in every position at all times; you need to be able to cater for your opponent's strengths, and to win whilst losing a position.
Forward play remains a problem, not due to a lack of goals but a breakdown of organisation. At the end of the second quarter, we almost gifted them a goal three times because we blasted ahead, the wrong person disposed inside 50, someone changed their mind or didn't take the first option, etc; in each of these occasions, we could quite credibly have kicked a goal ourselves from the field position/game situation. I get that the boys tired a bit, but all organisation genuinely broke down and it is only due to desperation that they were prevented from kicking goals themselves. Jack Martin, Fisher and Owies struggling to impact the game early didn't help, but Durdin remains the best small forward and the glue that makes the rest of it work.
The really scary thing is, I don't even know if we played well last night. Our forward line was a shamozzle. Jack Martin, LOB, Owies, Newman, Jack, Charlie all played poorly for them; TDK and Harry missed shot after shot after shot; Fisher and Setters were quiet and inoffensive as opposed to strong or quality; Pittonett couldn't give away that many frees if he tried. Some of our forward entries completely fell to pieces at times due to making shocking mistakes, and some of the turnovers we made in the middle and the back half due to dropping marks were ****ing awful.
We won anyway.
There is such a capacity to improve within this squad. Exchange LOB for Walsh, or Owies for Honey/Motlop, Martin for Philp. You've got Carroll lurking, you've got Stocker to come back in. We're not even a well oiled machine at this point.
The lid is not off yet, but boy is there movement!
So the really interesting thing about the clearance dominance is how we're doing it. Tap down to Cripps, Kennedy, Hewitt or Cerra; handpass from one to another, looking to get clear; handpass again to someone even further in the clear, either one of these three or a wing. And that's just the centre; on the wings, there's Saad, Doc, LOB, Setterfield, Williams lurking out the sides and the back of a stoppage to get and go if clear. There's a clear delineation of responsibility and of the different roles between clearance getters and receivers/disposers, and they're clearly encouraged to share the ball. It's kind of akin to Sydney 2012, because there's no-one better than anyone else; there's a sense of self sacrifice in the dominance. There's a recognition of different capabilities and of equal contribution; there's only capability and position to determine who gets and gives to who. This is such a jarring juxtaposition with last year, when we had effort being the determining factor between who won the ball and who kicked it, but it's very much a welcome change.
There was a clear intent after the first to go slowly with intent. The G is on paper, despite Richmond's dominance there over the immediate past, the perfect ground to expose their game if you can cut them up by foot; that it hasn't or didn't happen is a testament to how good they were. We went in prepared to beat them around the ball, but our disposal by foot and hand to advance forward and use the full width of the ground showed a desire to dictate terms; we'll do what we can to counter what weapons you've got in order to get the game on our terms. The midfield was a grind, but our kicking game from the back half was absolutely ****ing wonderful. Gov absolutely smashed it; Saad was genuinely a matchwinner; Doc played a wing/HBF, and was just as pivotal. It's interesting to me how people criticised Williams, because a cornerstone of Richmond's flags were their dangerous smalls and the fact that those HFF/FP made the intercept defenders/+1's accountable; their game is built on shutting down that drive off half back. You cannot build a game around just beating everyone in every position at all times; you need to be able to cater for your opponent's strengths, and to win whilst losing a position.
Forward play remains a problem, not due to a lack of goals but a breakdown of organisation. At the end of the second quarter, we almost gifted them a goal three times because we blasted ahead, the wrong person disposed inside 50, someone changed their mind or didn't take the first option, etc; in each of these occasions, we could quite credibly have kicked a goal ourselves from the field position/game situation. I get that the boys tired a bit, but all organisation genuinely broke down and it is only due to desperation that they were prevented from kicking goals themselves. Jack Martin, Fisher and Owies struggling to impact the game early didn't help, but Durdin remains the best small forward and the glue that makes the rest of it work.
The really scary thing is, I don't even know if we played well last night. Our forward line was a shamozzle. Jack Martin, LOB, Owies, Newman, Jack, Charlie all played poorly for them; TDK and Harry missed shot after shot after shot; Fisher and Setters were quiet and inoffensive as opposed to strong or quality; Pittonett couldn't give away that many frees if he tried. Some of our forward entries completely fell to pieces at times due to making shocking mistakes, and some of the turnovers we made in the middle and the back half due to dropping marks were ****ing awful.
We won anyway.
There is such a capacity to improve within this squad. Exchange LOB for Walsh, or Owies for Honey/Motlop, Martin for Philp. You've got Carroll lurking, you've got Stocker to come back in. We're not even a well oiled machine at this point.
The lid is not off yet, but boy is there movement!
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It's OK folks, our backup coach Micky Boss is ready to take over for next week.
4flagsin5yrs
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They've got a world of pain ahead...not even ninthmond stuff.
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OUT: Honourable Losses, 5+ goal opposition runs, me feeling shite most weekends due to us losing
IN: Hard at the contest, sticking our tackles, never say die attitude across the entire playing group
IN: Hard at the contest, sticking our tackles, never say die attitude across the entire playing group
I like the way that even when he is under pressure he still does his best to stay balanced to get an effective disposal away.
Just most of the Lygon St regulars, but not because they've been cheering a Carlton win.
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I really appreciated your advice around that at the time. You have a wealth of knowledge that a reasonable decent human being just shouldn’t have.
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Finished the replay and a spot of big footy reading, can’t add much, just impressed by the support in the crowd. For those that couldn’t make it, greatly appreciated, jealous AF
It seemed to my eye that the faithful seemed to be a new generation of blue baggers screaming yelling and encouraging. Can’t beat that feeling of a win.
We are part of a massive blue army.
If this was a taste I am hungry for more.
It seemed to my eye that the faithful seemed to be a new generation of blue baggers screaming yelling and encouraging. Can’t beat that feeling of a win.
We are part of a massive blue army.
If this was a taste I am hungry for more.
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What a great effort to lift the 0-1 curse. Just goes to show how keeping things simple and playing your role at 100% capacity is enough to get the job done. There’s some eerily similar comparisons in the way we performed and how the lions of the early 2000s would play. Just pure dominance in the middle and a forward line that has a chance to be all time great. Still think there’s players who weren’t playing that can make an even bigger impact than those that played last night but I can’t question the endeavour of the team. Apart from the obvious moments, my favourite was the desperation we showed late in the second term to defend a turnover and just put enough pressure on Bolton to miss his running shot. It was chaotic and poetry of motion all in one.
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That Durdin goal in the last quarter is right up there.
He’s in 2 separate pieces of play 25 metres apart & somehow slots it.
He’s in 2 separate pieces of play 25 metres apart & somehow slots it.
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The change or feel of the club and players just feels so drastic over such a short period of time
I’m getting that funny mid 90’s success feeling
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Replay beginning at my place. Come round...
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Oh meow meow katman!
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A thumbs down?
Wowsers great support
Don't mind him - compared the Voss appointment to Steven Bradbury winning gold. Suffice to say the views of that particular individual err on the negative side by default.
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