2023/2024 Gold Coast Draft & Trade periods

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

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[Iva Bigun]

As expected he didn’t say much which is fair enough, I’m a little nervous about all the talk in getting points in this year as the priority for moving pick 4, I would have thought maximising it’s value and then using F2 if needed to fill the gap would be the strategy, am I missing something?

 

[Young_Guns]

Jeremy Sharp still being on our list at the end of the trade period would be the biggest plot twist in the history of the Gold Coast Suns. Surely not.

So our key forward depth is gonna be
King (injury prone)
Walter (first year player)
Levi (older then time itself)

Sounds like we are looking to play Read forward (3rd tall/ruck?) as well, but yeah, we are looking pretty slim if either King or Lukosius go down in the next couple of years.

As expected he didn’t say much which is fair enough, I’m a little nervous about all the talk in getting points in this year as the priority for moving pick 4, I would have thought maximising it’s value and then using F2 if needed to fill the gap would be the strategy, am I missing something?

Yeah sounds like we are going to spam points out of pick 4 up until draft night and then get futures from the players we trade out. Doesn’t fill me with confidence that some greater plan is afoot, but it also sounds like we are fairly deep in on Dusty next year.

Also, I hope he is more inclined to speak with other clubs about contracted players than he was there. He should know better than anyone that a contract means next to nothing.

 

[RowellAnderson12]

Buddy franklin $80k on the rookie list >>> McLaughlin burgess Chol

 

[sunsofanarchy]

I hope we all ate our fill in the reserves premiership as it isn’t happening again anytime soon

i am still reminding my workmates that we are the current vfl premiers every second day or so

 

[KaySwizzle]

Just listened to Cameron on trade radio. Fills me with zero confidence, if I’m honest.

The problem I have is he doesn’t talk up our players or try to say that they are important to the team and our depth or that they could fight for a spot in best 22 and that we want to keep them. Any half decent list manager does at least that. Listen to any one of them that goes on air and they make it seem like their duds are 1st round options.

He did mention that Pick 4 would be traded, but then those picks would be traded further in draft week. At least that’s something, even if we’re likely just turning picks into crapper picks and then again into even crapper future picks.

 

[Jirik13]

Just listened to Cameron on trade radio. Fills me with zero confidence, if I’m honest.

The problem I have is he doesn’t talk up our players or try to say that they are important to the team and our depth or that they could fight for a spot in best 22 and that we want to keep them. Any half decent list manager does at least that. Listen to any one of them that goes on air and they make it seem like their duds are 1st round options.

He did mention that Pick 4 would be traded, but then those picks would be traded further in draft week. At least that’s something, even if we’re likely just turning picks into crapper picks and then again into even crapper future picks.

It does not mean anything what managers say publicly.

Remember last year, they said what they want for Sharp and when Freo did not come up with it they kept Sharp. Similarly, the same will probably happen with Hollands, Chol unless we are desperate to get rid of them. What is the value we are after is the question. For sure we can keep Chol and Hollands.

 

[ajhgcs]

Make of it what you will… but my source tells me we’ve knocked back Treloar.. yes there was interest from his end not ours.. allegedly something bigger in the works… no names given for bigger, no matter how hard I pushed.

Come on Mate, it's already been leaked.

Our big fish is Jack Peris.

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[Ben Drever]

Just listened to Cameron on trade radio. Fills me with zero confidence, if I’m honest.

The problem I have is he doesn’t talk up our players or try to say that they are important to the team and our depth or that they could fight for a spot in best 22 and that we want to keep them. Any half decent list manager does at least that. Listen to any one of them that goes on air and they make it seem like their duds are 1st round options.

He did mention that Pick 4 would be traded, but then those picks would be traded further in draft week. At least that’s something, even if we’re likely just turning picks into crapper picks and then again into even crapper future picks.

He sounds someone who likes to keep kicking the can 12months down the road… gets there…
kicks it another 12months further down the Rd yet makes no forward trajectory when he arrives there.
To scared to make any real decision

 

[Iva Bigun]

He sounds someone who likes to keep kicking the can 12months down the road… gets there…
kicks it another 12months further down the Rd yet makes no forward trajectory when he arrives there.
To scared to make any real decision

Well someone at the Suns rates him, why is anyone’s guess

 

[GC2015]

Make of it what you will… but my source tells me we’ve knocked back Treloar.. yes there was interest from his end not ours.. allegedly something bigger in the works… no names given for bigger, no matter how hard I pushed.

Oh boy. Skav is that you?

Getting Oliver would definitely feel like our version of Lachie Neale when the Lions traded for him back in 2018. Neale was 25 years old then and Brisbane had just finished 15th on the ladder with a young list ready to explode. Clarry is 26 and we've just finished 15th on the ladder with a young list full of talent. Main difference being that we've just brought in arguably the best coach of the modern era and Fagan was an unproven coach just two years into his Brisbane stint (this might explain why the Lions have underachieved in recent years). However, look at the age/experience of Brisbane's young spine at the time and you'll see it's very similar to ours with the experience in the ruck - McStay (23yo/60g), Hipwood (21yo/52g), Martin (31yo/158g), Gardiner (23yo/82g), Andrews (21yo/76g) vs King (23yo/73g), Lukosius (23yo, 95g), Witts (31yo, 165g), Ballard (24yo/110g), Andrew (19yo/21g). Add in some elite young mids in Berry (20yo/37g), McCluggage (20yo/40g) & Rayner (19yo/22g) vs Rowell (22yo/62g), Anderson (22yo/81g) & Flanders (22yo/44g). You could probably argue Dayne Beams (28yo/168g) was their version of Touk Miller (27yo/173g) at the time. Very similar list build.

For those concerned about the points we would lose, without pick 4 we currently hold approximately 4166 points. Pick 2 bid for Walter is expected so that's 2593 points minus the 20% academy discount means 2075 points to match a bid for Walter. That takes us down to 2091 points. Let's generously say a bid for Read comes through at pick 5 which is 2032 points minus the 20% academy discount means 1625 points required to match an early bid for Read. Takes us down to 466 points. The earliest bid suggestion I've seen for Rogers is pick 12 which is worth 1471 points and once you minus the 20% academy discount, it takes it down to 1177 points. There is of course the option to go into deficit for next year but trading in the equivalent of a second rounder for Chol and/or Hollands (approx 800 points) will seal Rogers and give us enough points to match a bid for Graham. Pretty easy for us to keep all four academy products and use pick 4 to facilitate something else.

I say strike while the iron is hot and go all in for Clayton Oliver. It won't cost us any of our three/four academy guns and it has the potential to see us make a dramatic jump up the ladder like Brisbane did in 2019 when they finished 2nd. Let's go!

 

[KaySwizzle]

Oh boy. Skav is that you?

Getting Oliver would definitely feel like our version of Lachie Neale when the Lions traded for him back in 2018. Neale was 25 years old then and Brisbane had just finished 15th on the ladder with a young list ready to explode. Clarry is 26 and we've just finished 15th on the ladder with a young list full of talent. Main difference being that we've just brought in arguably the best coach of the modern era and Fagan was an unproven coach just two years into his Brisbane stint (this might explain why the Lions have underachieved in recent years). However, look at the age/experience of Brisbane's young spine at the time and you'll see it's very similar to ours with the experience in the ruck - McStay (23yo/60g), Hipwood (21yo/52g), Martin (31yo/158g), Gardiner (23yo/82g), Andrews (21yo/76g) vs King (23yo/73g), Lukosius (23yo, 95g), Witts (31yo, 165g), Ballard (24yo/110g), Andrew (19yo/21g). Add in some elite young mids in Berry (20yo/37g), McCluggage (20yo/40g) & Rayner (19yo/22g) vs Rowell (22yo/62g), Anderson (22yo/81g) & Flanders (22yo/44g). You could probably argue Dayne Beams (28yo/168g) was their version of Touk Miller (27yo/173g) at the time. Very similar list build.

For those concerned about the points we would lose, without pick 4 we currently hold approximately 4166 points. Pick 2 bid for Walter is expected so that's 2593 points minus the 20% academy discount means 2075 points to match a bid for Walter. That takes us down to 2091 points. Let's generously say a bid for Read comes through at pick 5 which is 2032 points minus the 20% academy discount means 1625 points required to match an early bid for Read. Takes us down to 466 points. The earliest bid suggestion I've seen for Rogers is pick 12 which is worth 1471 points and once you minus the 20% academy discount, it takes it down to 1177 points. There is of course the option to go into deficit for next year but trading in the equivalent of a second rounder for Chol and/or Hollands (approx 800 points) will seal Rogers and give us enough points to match a bid for Graham. Pretty easy for us to keep all four academy products and use pick 4 to facilitate something else.

I say strike while the iron is hot and go all in for Clayton Oliver. It won't cost us any of our three/four academy guns and it has the potential to see us make a dramatic jump up the ladder like Brisbane did in 2019 when they finished 2nd. Let's go!

This is what I figure. We play too conservatively with points, but we got most of those points last year. It’s literally all we’ve been doing. Yes, our academy probably over achieved on our projections and will cost more than expected, but it is coverable.

Make a play for a player. If not Oliver (who is one of the best players to potentially be on the market for some time) with Pick 4 and future picks, then someone else.

Or land a player with a pick we get for our Pick 4, and bank some points with the rest.

One player—the right player—could be enough to boost the team and the moral of the fans. Add a good player to the Dimma acquisition, plus academy picks, and suddenly we’re looking really good.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Oliver is arguably in the top 5 in the comp. If he's interested in moving to the Suns go all in I say.

Being a little cynical I do wonder why Melbourne are prepared to trade him. Dimma would need to be very, very sure the rumours are not true.

Also, only trade for picks, not Ben King

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Ben King

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[Ben Drever]

Everyone gets points…

 

[ajhgcs]

Oliver is arguably in the top 5 in the comp. If he's interested in moving to the Suns go all in I say.

Being a little cynical I do wonder why Melbourne are prepared to trade him. Dimma would need to be very, very sure the rumours are not true.

Also, only trade for picks, not Ben King

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Ben King

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24

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202cm

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98kg

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5.0

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5.6

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1.0

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It would also have to include a player, in my opinion.

Starting point would be pick 4 + future first, it's just depending on what Melbourne would want.

The obvious answer would be Ben King, but they could also ask for Mac Andrew.

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[Young_Guns]

Notice Craig Cameron changed his tune and said today that the Bowes deal was to clear space for a free agent… in the next few years. No longer putting a deadline on it.

We’re not doing anything but stockpiling points this year unless a player absolutely falls in our lap and I think people have to just stop believing something greater is quietly in the works based off what the club has said previously.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

It would also have to include a player, in my opinion.

Starting point would be pick 4 + future first, it's just depending on what Melbourne would want.

The obvious answer would be Ben King, but they could also ask for Mac Andrew.

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Interesting question then isn't it?

The league as a whole seems short on quality talls, and we have more than most.

Do we trade away that possible advantage? Not sure.

For Andrew maybe, I think King is too important to let go.

Surely they are after Harley Reid though? Players won't get that done.

 

[Young_Guns]

Oliver is arguably in the top 5 in the comp. If he's interested in moving to the Suns go all in I say.

Being a little cynical I do wonder why Melbourne are prepared to trade him. Dimma would need to be very, very sure the rumours are not true.

Also, only trade for picks, not Ben King.

My thoughts too. It’s clear that Mebourne are at least entertaining the idea of kicking him out, so whatever he has done to them must be pretty bloody bad for them to potentially close their premiership window over instead of reconciling. No Oliver, no forward line, Gawn, Viney, May another year older. Harley Reid ain’t lifting them over that hump.

 

[KaySwizzle]

Notice Craig Cameron changed his tune and said today that the Bowes deal was to clear space for a free agent… in the next few years. No longer putting a deadline on it.

We’re not doing anything but stockpiling points this year unless a player absolutely falls in our lap and I think people have to just stop believing something greater is quietly in the works based off what the club has said previously.

This is also what I believe, deep down. It’s just fun to talk about more enjoyable and exciting options when they pop up in the media and think: “why can’t that be us having a crack at X player?”

Unfortunately, the only time anything exciting happens at the Suns at trade period, it seems, is when a player is leaving.

But I’ll still theorise for the next three weeks.

 

[SandyToes]

Oliver seems like a total dick
His smug smirky fake copy booing at the end of the Melbourne match was Dickhead 101
Pendlebury or Judd he is not
Having said that, the Venn diagrams of Dicks vs Talented Footballers has a fairly thick intersection
You'd hope Hardwick has the tools to manage it
Seems The Crows have the inside running though?
Wow
A million for Izak A million for Oliver
Tex must be playing for love

 

[Jen2310]

Buyer beware I reckon, if rumours are correct. Melbourne are sick of his lifestyle habits maybe.

 

[ajhgcs]

Notice Craig Cameron changed his tune and said today that the Bowes deal was to clear space for a free agent… in the next few years. No longer putting a deadline on it.

We’re not doing anything but stockpiling points this year unless a player absolutely falls in our lap and I think people have to just stop believing something greater is quietly in the works based off what the club has said previously.

Did he ever specify what the extra space would be used for, or did he suggest it was for more cap flexibility?

My understanding of the trade was to clear space to re-sign Rowell and Anderson.
A few senior players took pay cuts last season, and the cap is finally under control.

We have already tabled an offer to Ben King, hopefully it gets done before the start of the season.

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[Iva Bigun]

Notice Craig Cameron changed his tune and said today that the Bowes deal was to clear space for a free agent… in the next few years. No longer putting a deadline on it.

We’re not doing anything but stockpiling points this year unless a player absolutely falls in our lap and I think people have to just stop believing something greater is quietly in the works based off what the club has said previously.

Yeah, Cameron’s comment on Bowes was clearly BS, “over the next few years” my ass. Bowes massive contract would have ended in 2024. Any $$$ saved are in Anderson and Rowells pockets I reckon

 

[Supersuns]

Buyer beware I reckon, if rumours are correct. Melbourne are sick of his lifestyle habits maybe.

Those rumours have been around for too long for them not to be true.

 

[Southern Sun]

I would actually rather take the punt on tarryn thomas

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Tarryn Thomas

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24

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190cm

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0.9

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4.0

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3.8

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1.3

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3.2

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0.2

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12.8

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6.2

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, we need some elite kicks and everything that oliver is he isn't a great kick.