2023 AFL Draft General Discussion

[Dudoro]

I'm sure they can find new clubs to support.

After all, Fitzroy and South Melbourne fans faced the same decisions.

Agreed with what you were saying before now you’re just not making sense. Wanting to relocate the teams that make the league the most money. Now you’re comparing it to clubs who were struggling

 

[briztoon]

Agreed with what you were saying before now you’re just not making sense. Wanting to relocate the teams that make the league the most money. Now you’re comparing it to clubs who were struggling

There's to many teams in the league and the obvious place to cull teams is Victoria.

Victoria can will still have 40% of the TV audience, they'll just support 4 local clubs, or they will support a non Victorian team (some of which will have roots in the old VFL).

 

[bzparkes]

Don't understand the issue with Harley Reid declaring he doesn't want to leave Victoria or go to WCE. The club you support who takes him outside of Victoria will spend and use resources on a guy who will leave after two seasons. It saves you investing in him, giving him opportunities over others, you want and need this honesty.

Because it's draft tampering.

Could you imagine if the top WA prospects suddenly start coming out every year saying they don't want to move interstate?

The worst part about this is that it appears mostly driven by the Vic media/Cornes and not by Reid himself.

If you saw McClure groveling backtrack on Footy Classified tonight, you'd understand that he was completely full of shit and appears to have made the entire thing up. He has form in that regard. He went on to say that he has no first-hand info from Reid's camp, nor has he spoken with anyone connected to him but it's actually his own 'belief' that Reid would 'prefer' to stay in Melbourne(He's not even from Melbourne to begin with and lives closer to Canberra, ffs) but would happily move interstate if pick up by WCE and would likely commit to the club.

Reid himself is reportedly quite upset at the comments, which McClure also stated.

Then there's the fact that Rohan O'Brien actually did an interview with the news, stating they'd take best available and weren't deterred by media reports about Harley wanting to leave and that if they still deem him best available at the draft, they'll take him. That's incredibly unusual from ROB, you never hear from him at all unless it's recapping the draft.

Harley Reid continuously liking numerous WCE Twitter posts is also rather interesting behaviour, as well as mentioning he's mates with Noah Long and commenting on Chesser's Insta.

That and he's gone on public record stating he's happy to move wherever.

This all started on the back of JHF walking out of NM last year and Harley's comments on AFL360 about being 'close to his family'. Hardly uncommon for an 18yo. These comments were also immediately clarified by his manager in public as not meaning he had no interest in going interstate. Surely if he was serious, his manager wouldn't immediately feel the need to clear up Reid's comments, instead of letting it stew?

Interesting turn of events and honestly, I'm quite surprised by WCE's comments in the media today. Normally they say nothing.

 

[briztoon]

Because it's draft tampering.

Could you imagine if the top WA prospects suddenly start coming out every year saying they don't want to move interstate?

The worst part about this is that it appears mostly driven by the Vic media/Cornes and not by Reid himself.

If you saw McClure groveling backtrack on Footy Classified tonight, you'd understand that he was completely full of s**t and appears to have made the entire thing up. He has form in that regard. He went on to say that he has no first-hand info from Reid's camp, nor has he spoken with anyone connected to him but it's actually his own 'belief' that Reid would 'prefer' to stay in Melbourne(He's not even from Melbourne to begin with and lives closer to Canberra, ffs) but would happily move interstate if pick up by WCE and would likely commit to the club.

Reid himself is reportedly quite upset at the comments, which McClure also stated.

Then there's the fact that Rohan O'Brien actually did an interview with the news, stating they'd take best available and weren't deterred by media reports about Harley wanting to leave and that if they still deem him best available at the draft, they'll take him. That's incredibly unusual from ROB, you never hear from him at all unless it's recapping the draft.

Harley Reid continuously liking numerous WCE Twitter posts is also rather interesting behaviour, as well as mentioning he's mates with Noah Long and commenting on Chesser's Insta.

That and he's gone on public record stating he's happy to move wherever.

This all started on the back of JHF walking out of NM last year and Harley's comments on AFL360 about being 'close to his family'. Hardly uncommon for an 18yo. These comments were also immediately clarified by his manager in public as not meaning he had no interest in going interstate. Surely if he was serious, his manager wouldn't immediately feel the need to clear up Reid's comments, instead of letting it stew?

Interesting turn of events and honestly, I'm quite surprised by WCE's comments in the media today. Normally they say nothing.

One small point of clarification. Harley said he's close to his family on Twomey's Gettable youtube podcast. So people got to see the question being asked and Harley's answer (and body/facial reaction).

That caused a mini meltdown on social media, and Reid's management put out a response later that afternoon saying he was happy to move to where ever he was drafted.

 

[bzparkes]

One small point of clarification. Harley said he's close to his family on Twomey's Gettable youtube podcast. So people got to see the question being asked and Harley's answer (and body/facial reaction).

That caused a mini meltdown on social media, and Reid's management put out a response later that afternoon saying he was happy to move to where ever he was drafted.

Oh yes, it was indeed on Gettable.

Still, mountains out of molehills.

The hysteria from the Vic media over the concept of him going to WCE is laughable though.

 

[Supersuns]

(He's not even from Melbourne to begin with and lives closer to Canberra, ffs)

Thats just factually wrong.
Tongala is nowhere near Canberra

 

[bzparkes]

Thats just factually wrong.
Tongala is nowhere near Canberra

My bad but it's almost country NSW.

He's not 'From Melbourne' as the Vic media like to keep harping on about...

 

[Supersuns]

My bad but it's almost country NSW.

He's not 'From Melbourne' as the Vic media like to keep harping on about...

It's 2 and a bit hours. It's not far.

 

[bzparkes]

It's 2 and a bit hours. It's not far.

It's not 'Don't want to leave Melbourne' far.

Anywhere he plays, he'll have to move away from his family.

 

[Supersuns]

It's not 'Don't want to leave Melbourne' far.

Anywhere he plays, he'll have to move away from his family.

Oh im not arguing that point at all. Just giving geographical help.

 

[bzparkes]

Oh im not arguing that point at all. Just giving geographical help.

Just give me the link to Google maps next time

 

[briztoon]

Just give me the link to Google maps next time

Google maps says 2 hours 34 minutes.

That's only 10 minutes longer than it is to fly from Brisbane to Melbourne.

 

[andleanback]

One small point of clarification. Harley said he's close to his family on Twomey's Gettable youtube podcast. So people got to see the question being asked and Harley's answer (and body/facial reaction).

That caused a mini meltdown on social media, and Reid's management put out a response later that afternoon saying he was happy to move to where ever he was drafted.

Teenager states he’s close with his family. Mountain of a molehill

 

[freddy mercury]

Because it's draft tampering.

Could you imagine if the top WA prospects suddenly start coming out every year saying they don't want to move interstate?

The worst part about this is that it appears mostly driven by the Vic media/Cornes and not by Reid himself.

If you saw McClure groveling backtrack on Footy Classified tonight, you'd understand that he was completely full of s**t and appears to have made the entire thing up. He has form in that regard. He went on to say that he has no first-hand info from Reid's camp, nor has he spoken with anyone connected to him but it's actually his own 'belief' that Reid would 'prefer' to stay in Melbourne(He's not even from Melbourne to begin with and lives closer to Canberra, ffs) but would happily move interstate if pick up by WCE and would likely commit to the club.

Reid himself is reportedly quite upset at the comments, which McClure also stated.

Then there's the fact that Rohan O'Brien actually did an interview with the news, stating they'd take best available and weren't deterred by media reports about Harley wanting to leave and that if they still deem him best available at the draft, they'll take him. That's incredibly unusual from ROB, you never hear from him at all unless it's recapping the draft.

Harley Reid continuously liking numerous WCE Twitter posts is also rather interesting behaviour, as well as mentioning he's mates with Noah Long and commenting on Chesser's Insta.

That and he's gone on public record stating he's happy to move wherever.

This all started on the back of JHF walking out of NM last year and Harley's comments on AFL360 about being 'close to his family'. Hardly uncommon for an 18yo. These comments were also immediately clarified by his manager in public as not meaning he had no interest in going interstate. Surely if he was serious, his manager wouldn't immediately feel the need to clear up Reid's comments, instead of letting it stew?

Interesting turn of events and honestly, I'm quite surprised by WCE's comments in the media today. Normally they say nothing.

So you'd rather take him and full knowing he is going to request a trade the day his two year contract ends? Waste all the time and club resources on him just so the draft doesn't get tampered with?

 

[The Kings Ransom]

So you'd rather take him and full knowing he is going to request a trade the day his two year contract ends? Waste all the time and club resources on him just so the draft doesn't get tampered with?

Have you considered that an 18 year old who hasn’t lived out of home doesnt actually know what it’s like.
Obviously a move is daunting, but once he’s in Perth/gc/Sydney wherever it may be, living with new mates, staying busy with footy and associated things he may find himself having a great time and decide to stay?

 

[I got the outside word]

Google maps says 2 hours 34 minutes.

That's only 10 minutes longer than it is to fly from Brisbane to Melbourne.

How long to get to the airport and board? Then to disembark and travel the 2 1/2 hours.

I used to work in WA and live in Vic (2 hours from the airport), 3-4 hour flight, 16 hours door to door though.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Saab NLAW]

The Vic boys just pull the mummy’s boy card, or mental health card when they don’t want to move interstate.

Queensland boys just pull the mummy's boy card, or mental health card as say they will refuse to play AFL unless they get drafted by their preferred club.

Gee you post crap

 

[briztoon]

How long to get to the airport and board? Then to disembark and travel the 2 1/2 hours.

I used to work in WA and live in Vic (2 hours from the airport), 3-4 hour flight, 16 hours door to door though.

That’s the point I wanted someone else to highlight. Hung it out there.

 

[briztoon]

Queensland boys just pull the mummy's boy card, or mental health card as say they will refuse to play AFL unless they get drafted by their preferred club.

Gee you post crap

Nah, they just go play a different sport.

 

[Wild Bill]

Yeah Phillips would have been there at pick 7. McDonald was the pick they stuffed it. Also why are they so obsessed with using their first pick on mids every year. Apart from Larkey I don’t rate a single forward, ruck or defender on their list

Stephenson has kicked more goals than McDonald this year - McDonald isn't tearing the comp apart.

 

[bzparkes]

So you'd rather take him and full knowing he is going to request a trade the day his two year contract ends? Waste all the time and club resources on him just so the draft doesn't get tampered with?

How many players have WCE lost due to 'homesickness'?

Judd, McConnell(who, you ask?), Selwood and Ebert?

Judd probably would've stayed, if not for the drugs fiasco. We got 6 years and a flag out of him. We got 2x premiership players for him leaving as well.

McConnell was a late first-rounder, whose dad was a senior figure at the Kangaroos and amounted to nothing.

Ebert came from SA footballing royalty and still stayed on past his initial contract.

S.Selwood left to go play with his brother at Geelong, after playing with his brother at WCE. This was on the back of a severe ankle injury, which ended up finishing his career prematurely.

You really think WCE won't back themselves to keep Reid, considering their strong track record of keeping Victorian players?

Or do you put more stock in Sam McClure's belief that Reid would 'prefer' to stay in Vic?

 

[Sphynx]

I was thinking Sydney.

Have you lived in Sydney?

I have for 5 years.

Outside of a small pocket of Rugby Union types in the hills, they don't give a single shit about the sport. In fact, the vast majority of them have a chip on their shoulder to hate on it as they think it will weaken Rugby League.

Half of their crowds are corporate blow ins, then a decent chunk are hereditary supporters from South Melbourne families. What you have remaining is a single town club (im ignoring GWS) in Australia's biggest city, with OK membership and crowds. Big whooop.


Be more appreciative that the bulk of the tribal nature of the sport, it's hype, fandom, media noise generates from Victoria and to a lesser extent SA and WA.

If you want to destroy what makes it the #1 sport in the country, sure, make the league even distributed in area's with over half of the countries population who don't care for it.


The AFL is not like the NFL in that that is universally loved across the country.

It's very much like rugby league in the UK or Ice Hockey to an extent in the USA (who only Canadians (Vic/SA/WA) really love and a small amount of Americans (NSW/QLD) care about on a passing basis).


It would be like structuring the NRL to 2 teams in WA, SA, VIC, NSW and QLD.

Would it work? **** no. Half of the teams would go under inside of 2 years and their commercial revenue would be at about 20% of what it currently is.

 

[KinderSmock]

Have you lived in Sydney?

I have for 5 years.

Outside of a small pocket of Rugby Union types in the hills, they don't give a single s**t about the sport. In fact, the vast majority of them have a chip on their shoulder to hate on it as they think it will weaken Rugby League.

Half of their crowds are corporate blow ins, then a decent chunk are hereditary supporters from South Melbourne families. What you have remaining is a single town club (im ignoring GWS) in Australia's biggest city, with OK membership and crowds. Big whooop.


Be more appreciative that the bulk of the tribal nature of the sport, it's hype, fandom, media noise generates from Victoria and to a lesser extent SA and WA.

If you want to destroy what makes it the #1 sport in the country, sure, make the league even distributed in area's with over half of the countries population who don't care for it.


The AFL is not the NFL.

It's very much like rugby league in the UK or Ice Hockey to an extent in the USA (who only Canadian really love and a small amount of Americans care about on a passing basis).


It would be like structuring the NRL to 2 teams in WA, SA, VIC, NSW and QLD.

Would it work? * no. Half of the teams would go under inside of 2 years and their commercial revenue would be at about 20% of what it currently is.

I’d say Western Sydney cares very much for soccer and there’s pockets across the city of rugby league lovers with cricket the sport that seems to unite the British and sub-continent communities.

But AFL isn’t really present that much. The Swans attract casual fans but still have a strong following from their South Melbourne days. I was in Sydney recently and had two people shout “go Pies” as I was wearing a Collingwood hoodie. I’m used to people making comments (almost always about teeth) in my native state but this came almost out of surprise that another bloke supported Aussie rules.

 

[briztoon]

Have you lived in Sydney?

I have for 5 years.

Outside of a small pocket of Rugby Union types in the hills, they don't give a single s**t about the sport. In fact, the vast majority of them have a chip on their shoulder to hate on it as they think it will weaken Rugby League.

Half of their crowds are corporate blow ins, then a decent chunk are hereditary supporters from South Melbourne families. What you have remaining is a single town club (im ignoring GWS) in Australia's biggest city, with OK membership and crowds. Big whooop.


Be more appreciative that the bulk of the tribal nature of the sport, it's hype, fandom, media noise generates from Victoria and to a lesser extent SA and WA.

If you want to destroy what makes it the #1 sport in the country, sure, make the league even distributed in area's with over half of the countries population who don't care for it.


The AFL is not like the NFL in that that is universally loved across the country.

It's very much like rugby league in the UK or Ice Hockey to an extent in the USA (who only Canadians (Vic/SA/WA) really love and a small amount of Americans (NSW/QLD) care about on a passing basis).


It would be like structuring the NRL to 2 teams in WA, SA, VIC, NSW and QLD.

Would it work? * no. Half of the teams would go under inside of 2 years and their commercial revenue would be at about 20% of what it currently is.

On the bolded, probably why the NRL hasn’t tried it.

On the rest of the post.

I believe you’re missing my point, it’s supposed to be a NATIONAL competition, but those running it and 40% of its fans do everything in its power to keep the power and advantages to one state, to the detriment of the rest of the teams. But then you go and whinge when a non Victorian team benefits from something you don’t.