Player Watch 2023 AFL Draft Pool Discussion Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

Same rule applies to this thread as other years, keep it on topic about the kids.
Don’t get bogged down on what other teams might do or where they will finish.

Trade speculation belongs here.
That's also where you can discuss your mock drafts or pick trades.

Any McCabe, Dear or Maginness talk belongs here.

 

[GinniAndTonic]

I'm on board with the academies and I think they are good. GC for example will not have father sons for a long time for example, so academies as an alternative makes sense.

The problem is the points system. You should not be able to take 4 first rounders with a bunch of nothing picks.

If GC wanted all those first round academy picks they should have been forced to give something up.

The points aren’t the problem it’s the fact they get multiple players a year. Has there ever been a club have 4 F/S in one year? I doubt it let along 4 in the first round. Cap them at maybe 2 a year and that it.

 

[dermott]

Will we only take Dear tonight and trade remaining picks for futures? Or do we like someone and try and trade up a bit?
I am beginning to think it may be the former, which will make it pretty anticlimactic tonight.

 

[Billyc]

The point is that big Victorian clubs like us already enjoy massive advantages when it comes to attracting and retaining talent over smaller clubs, especially those non-traditional football states. Academies go some way to balancing that advantage and by growing the overall pool of talent, they benefit everyone (i.e. the game) in the long run.

I share the annoyance with the academies and how tainted the drafts are. However, the reality remains that Gold Coast has never played a final and the Giants have made one grand final, which they got belted in. So to date the advantages thrown at them have not really harmed other clubs or the competition. That might change in years to come but we did all think the same thing with the initial draft hauls the expansion clubs were given and it brought no success.

And if we're really being honest about advantages to some clubs, the fact the grand final is always played at the MCG is pretty hard to defend from a fairness and integrity point of view. Victorian clubs beating interstate clubs in the grand final has happened an awful lot in the last 15 years.

 

[theiaofseed]

I share the annoyance with the academies and how tainted the drafts are. However, the reality remains that Gold Coast has never played a final and the Giants have made one grand final, which they got belted in. So to date the advantages thrown at them have not really harmed other clubs or the competition. That might change in years to come but we did all think the same thing with the initial draft hauls the expansion clubs were given and it brought no success.

And if we're really being honest about advantages to some clubs, the fact the grand final is always played at the MCG is pretty hard to defend from a fairness and integrity point of view. Victorian clubs beating interstate clubs in the grand final has happened an awful lot in the last 15 years.

What advantage is the MCG, there's no home crowd advantage which makes up the majority of a home ground advantage. How many upsets have occurred? Hawthorn were the best team 2013-15, so were Richmond 17-20. Bulldogs winning over Sydney is the only one and thats not even their home ground.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Will we only take Dear tonight and trade remaining picks for futures? Or do we like someone and try and trade up a bit?
I am beginning to think it may be the former, which will make it pretty anticlimactic tonight.

MM said we were looking at trading back into the 2nd round. Failing that we would look to next year via the HFC website / Facebook page

 

[theiaofseed]

Will we only take Dear tonight and trade remaining picks for futures? Or do we like someone and try and trade up a bit?
I am beginning to think it may be the former, which will make it pretty anticlimactic tonight.

Jaith could be picked up tonight if he slides past 40.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

I like the look of Jack Delean as well. Then there’s also Lorenz and Jiath. We can only take one player plus Dear. (assuming Jiath doesn’t make it to outside 39).

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Jaith could be picked up tonight if the slides past 40.

He will not take a list spot for us if he makes it to 40, as he goes on to that academy list like Bennetts I believe.

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

I like the look of Jack Delean as well. Then there’s also Lorenz and Jiath. We can only take one player plus Dear. (assuming Jiath doesn’t make it to outside 39).

Is it bye bye to Ethan Phillips in case we pick up 2 players tonight?

 

[Blackhawk42]

I don't think there have been too many draft sliders that have proven their eventual drafting position wrong, particularly when they haven't slid based on rumours like Jack Darling did. He's the only bloke I can think of that went much later than expected and still eked out a good career.

Dylan Moore?

 

[CHUBBSS]

We might not have a direct need for tew jiath but I’d still love to get him at the club. Reckon cj would be praying to the footy gods it falls that way

 

[GinniAndTonic]

He will not take a list spot for us if he makes it to 40, as he goes on to that academy list like Bennetts I believe.

No after 40 we have the right to match a bit. However if he doesn’t get picked up at all in the draft then he can become a cat b rookie.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I'm a bit confused by the 'LOL Curtin looked miserable' commentary going on.

He was our 50/50 pick if reports are correct. Would we be saying the same thing if we drafted him and he 'looked' the same as an initial reaction?

He's going to a city closer to his home state anyway, who are also closer to playing finals than we are. If he was indeed cracking the proverbials I'd HATE to think how he would have reacted had we called his name out.

 

[hawkinoz]

He will not take a list spot for us if he makes it to 40, as he goes on to that academy list like Bennetts I believe.

Bennetts was not picked in draft.

Is it bye bye to Ethan Phillips in case we pick up 2 players tonight?

Why, he can play at BH and then get set for MSD.

 

[Steven Tyler]

I'm a bit confused by the 'LOL Curtin looked miserable' commentary going on.

He was our 50/50 pick if reports are correct. Would we be saying the same thing if we drafted him and he 'looked' the same as an initial reaction?

He's going to a city closer to his home state anyway, who are also closer to playing finals than we are. If he was indeed cracking the proverbials I'd HATE to think how he would have reacted had we called his name out.

I took it that he was surprised West Coast didn’t get a trade done with Adelaide

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Bennetts was not picked in draft.


Why, he can play at BH and then get set for MSD.

Norf will take him

 

[Topiary]

The point is that big Victorian clubs like us already enjoy massive advantages when it comes to attracting and retaining talent over smaller clubs, especially those non-traditional football states. Academies go some way to balancing that advantage and by growing the overall pool of talent, they benefit everyone (i.e. the game) in the long run.

I have no doubt about that, the investment is fine, but the rules are not.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Geelong especially could have their decades-long staying afloat come to a grinding halt fairly messily if they don't get the next 1-2 off-seasons right. If they miss the finals the next few seasons and stop luring talent in - right around when Tassie make the conflicted draft even more conflicted - then that's going to bleak for them.

Them and the tiges need to take a very unsentimental view of their lists this year and look to make some decent cuts imo.

 

[Davo-27]

One of Zakostelsky, Lorenz or Delean I would like for us, plus Dear.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Is it bye bye to Ethan Phillips in case we pick up 2 players tonight?

Depends on what our plan is with Wingard. Or do we just collect Phillips via the draft?

Or is it a wait and see on Phillips and Wingard? An address both at the MSD?

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

One of Zakostelsky, Lorenz or Delean I would like for us, plus Dear.

Delean & Lorenz touted as a first round pick last year, one of them would be worth a shot!

 

[Judd2Sewell]

If Dear, 2J, Lorenz or Delean slip through to the Rookie Draft I'd rather we use a rookie spot on them than Stephens.

 

[KermitJagger]

Dylan Moore?

Moore didn't slide. He was highly rated by Champion Data but I can't find a 2017 Phantom Draft that had him anywhere near early enough to consider a slider.

 

[Brishawk]

If Dear, 2J, Lorenz or Delean slip through to the Rookie Draft I'd rather we use a rookie spot on them than Stephens.

Dont think that option is on the table if we ever want to move players to the rookie list again.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Dont think that option is on the table if we ever want to move players to the rookie list again.

What do you mean? Stephens could be picked up by any other club at this point, and I imagine his agent hasn't been sitting idle either. He'd be negligent if he's not trying to sound out better offers.