KissKiss
Norm Smith Medallist
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Same with the Lions as generally having a very low possession game.
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Rankine would be next in line I think Charlie still has one week of gross left but he'd need to start firing again soon
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Rozee officially top 6 in the coaches votes, ahead of Taranto, Dawson, Bont etc.
If he ain’t in your team chuck him in now to avoid embarrassment
If he ain’t in your team chuck him in now to avoid embarrassment
He literally had 1 disposal to half time?
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He did say "quietly building".
Perhaps he works for the government. They like to take their time to build anything.
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They generally cram 8-10 mids in. Would be silly to dismiss him. Just proves you don’t watch football if so.
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No one is in. But if the squad was picked today he should be selected.
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C'mon man, back your boy in and all that but don't use sermons from the leigh montagna church of analysis as any type of defence because you're just hurting the clug and he doesn't deserve that.
00Stinger
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Yeah I know the facts check out
But being the 5th on the ladder (equal I might add) doesn't guarantee anything which is why I was laughing at you
- May 6, 2007
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the guy sitting 4th in the coaches votes should be starting. Thats probably easier to quantify
yes well picked up.
I usually pop a few multis on port every week and this year has been the absolute Pitts.
our players are racking up lower counts than expected.
this year its all about efficiency. as few touches as possible to get the results, and its working well.
our clearance numbers are very low and very spread out across our team, instead of one or two players dominating and getting a bunch of clearances like in the past we would have sometime like Boak 7 wines 5 lycett 5 in a game and now its very common to see a bunch of port players with 4 clearances.
they're just so much more damaging with the ball now. we don't need a bunch of repeat stoppages to get the ball out and hurt teams.
00Stinger
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who Lachy Neale?.
For the record I'm not arguing against him being in the team but him being an automatic starting 18 selection is no given. Although knowing the selection committee they will push him out to a wing on move Trac to a flank
- May 6, 2007
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semantics
*fifth
I would argue he is close to a starter at the moment.. His numbers are close to exceptional, his metres gained would be right up there amongst the best midfielders so wouldn't be against him on a wing in lieu of a genuine wingman (Daicos.J and Martin.N two best this year imho).
00Stinger
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Yeah I'm not against him being a starter to be fair.semantics
*fifth
I would argue he is close to a starter at the moment.. His numbers are close to exceptional, his metres gained would be right up there amongst the best midfielders so wouldn't be against him on a wing in lieu of a genuine wingman (Daicos.J and Martin.N two best this year imho).
Has had a massive year, is a bloody impressive ball user too
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would be one of the best kicks in the league. Right up there with Bailey Dale, Kane Farrell, Trent McKenzie and Daniel Rich.
- Dec 11, 2010
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Perhaps a better metric then is how many shots on goal a defender gives away.
fpm84
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Will be a travesty if Gryan Miers isn’t in the squad and surely he’s a chance for a bench spot. Would be miles ahead in our B&F right now.
This is more from the perspective of "picking a real side with 7 genuine forwards" rather than what we will actually get: Petracca and Bontempelli on forward flanks and maybe 4-5 genuine forwards in total.
But anyway this would leave room for 3 tall forwards and 4 smalls/mediums. Combined goals/assists is one of the obvious ones but for your flanker types I think score involvements are important too. An aggregate of average goals/assists/score involvements is a good system (I realise goals and assists make up part of SIs, it just rounds things out better). For non key position forwards (10+ games) this would leave us with aggregates of:
Toby Greene (12.1)
Izac Rankine (9.7)
Kyle Langford (9.4)
Gryan Miers (8.9)
Bayley Fritsch (8.7)
Shai Bolton (8.7) - has played a lot more midfield but is forward flank compatible IMO
Jack Higgins (8.5)
Cody Weightman (8.5)
Tom Papley (8.4)
Charlie Cameron (8.4)
Zac Bailey (8.4)
Daniels and Elliot not too far below.
So if I was picking my 4 small/medium forwards I'd probably go with Greene, Rankine and Langford as the standouts then Bolton (more disposals/positional flexibility/coaches votes). Cameron was way higher on this table previously and is a great pressure forward too - can't be written off but needs to pick up his form again.
Miers has had an excellent year as a creative half forward but realistically needed to have added a dozen more goals to his name as they just won't pick a creator only. But people saying he wouldn't be in the first five squads obviously just haven't watched him play.
But anyway this would leave room for 3 tall forwards and 4 smalls/mediums. Combined goals/assists is one of the obvious ones but for your flanker types I think score involvements are important too. An aggregate of average goals/assists/score involvements is a good system (I realise goals and assists make up part of SIs, it just rounds things out better). For non key position forwards (10+ games) this would leave us with aggregates of:
Toby Greene (12.1)
Izac Rankine (9.7)
Kyle Langford (9.4)
Gryan Miers (8.9)
Bayley Fritsch (8.7)
Shai Bolton (8.7) - has played a lot more midfield but is forward flank compatible IMO
Jack Higgins (8.5)
Cody Weightman (8.5)
Tom Papley (8.4)
Charlie Cameron (8.4)
Zac Bailey (8.4)
Daniels and Elliot not too far below.
So if I was picking my 4 small/medium forwards I'd probably go with Greene, Rankine and Langford as the standouts then Bolton (more disposals/positional flexibility/coaches votes). Cameron was way higher on this table previously and is a great pressure forward too - can't be written off but needs to pick up his form again.
Miers has had an excellent year as a creative half forward but realistically needed to have added a dozen more goals to his name as they just won't pick a creator only. But people saying he wouldn't be in the first five squads obviously just haven't watched him play.
HeHateMe
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It's interesting, he is playing a very specific role very very well. It's a complementary role due to the firepower in the cats forward line.
Stengle made the team last year playing as an important cog in a very powerful forward line, he was the one getting on the end of the chains and kicking the goals, instead of creating them. Was that a better season overall?
But when it comes to the AA team, it has always valued goals as a most important statistic when it comes to the fwds.
Difficult to say but like you said from an AA selector perspective (rightly or wrongly), I think the goals of Stengle would count more than the GAs/SIs of Miers. If we're getting technical, the pockets should be higher for goals - just like back pockets should be high for intercepts and rebound 50s - and the flankers more for SIs. However we all know midfielders are shoved onto the flanks.
Aggregate average goals/assists/SIs for Stengle last year was 9.4. Bolton was 10.1, Greene 9.7, Papley 9.6, Heeney 9.0, Fritsch 8.5 and C.Cameron 8.4. Greene didn't even make the squad! Bolton, Stengle and Heeney got the nod for the final team.
