List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe94]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Mate you keep saying 3 first rounders like they're all equal. It's one good first rounder and 2 meh ones. It's not 3 top 10 picks.

Yeah that’s why I said top 20 - or top 21 or top 19 if that’s too specific for you.

If you guys are sold and all chips on on Reid at this stage, fine. But don’t act like it’s not a reasonable position to back yourself in with a top 10 and two later first round picks.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

You’re obviously very excited about Reid and I’m sure you’re right but do you really not remember what people were saying about Rowell pre-draft and especially after his first two games?

Now he just looks like he’ll be an inside workhorse. We did much better in that draft with 2 lower picks

After his first two game yes, there was a massive hype train. Still doesn't change the fact hes a one dimensional player, Reid is unlike anything you've seen.

 

[Topkent]

Yeah that’s why I said top 20 - or top 21 or top 19 if that’s too specific for you.

If you guys are sold and all chips on on Reid at this stage, fine. But don’t act like it’s not a reasonable position to back yourself in with a top 10 and two later first round picks.

It's not crazy just think if the clubs even floating the idea, we can't be rating the 10+ players very highly or else we wouldn't even talk about it. If there was a butters or Rozee which ever went later in their then I'd doubt we are so willing to flip them

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Lets do my own version ...

would you rather

Nick Riewoldt (pick 1)

or

Jimmy Toumpas

Jimmy Toumpas

Age

30

Ht

183cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

0.8

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

(pick 4), Sam Weideman

10

Sam Weideman

Age

27

Ht

197cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.3

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.5

1star

G

1.8

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.4

3star

G

1.2

4star

(pick 9) and Bailey Laurie (pick 22)

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

It's not crazy just think if the clubs even floating the idea, we can't be rating the 10+ players very highly or else we wouldn't even talk about it. If there was a butters or Rozee which ever went later in their then I'd doubt we are so willing to flip them

Don’t get me wrong, I like that the club is exploring it. One superstar is much more what we need than 3 Brayshaw’s.

I am just very sceptical of any forward predictions about the calibre of drafts or the certainty of a pick 1 being a generational player.

6 months ago everyone was saying last years draft is so thin everybody should trade out of it onto this year’s draft which could be the best ever. Now we’re thinking maybe our club doesn’t rate the depth in next years draft

 

[Topkent]

Don’t get me wrong, I like that the club is exploring it. One superstar is much more what we need than 3 Brayshaw’s.

I am just very sceptical of any forward predictions about the calibre of drafts or the certainty of a pick 1 being a generational player.

6 months ago everyone was saying last years draft is so thin everybody should trade out of it onto this year’s draft which could be the best ever. Now we’re thinking maybe our club doesn’t rate the depth in next years draft

Well either they don't rate it or they rate Reid that highly. Personally think Hawthorn say no to that anyway although I think they should take it.

 

[Topkent]

Lets do my own version ...

would you rather

Nick Riewoldt (pick 1)

or

Jimmy Toumpas (pick 4), Sam Weideman (pick 9) and Bailey Laurie (pick 22)

That must hurt you seeing as you hated Roo

Tbf both Roo and Toump were match winners for the saints

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

That must hurt you seeing as you hated Roo

I considered Hodge but then dickheads would have brought up Judd from the same draft

haha, im one step ahead.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Lets do my own version ...

would you rather

Nick Riewoldt (pick 1)

or

Jimmy Toumpas (pick 4), Sam Weideman (pick 9) and Bailey Laurie (pick 22)

I wouldn’t have traded Riewoldt for three picks 15 years later, no.

Then again Riewoldt never won the Saints a flag so perhaps they should have traded pick 1 for pick 12 Shaun Burgoyne, pick 18 Daniel Kerr and throw in the Vol-Kane-O at pick 20

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Well either they don't rate it or they rate Reid that highly. Personally think Hawthorn say no to that anyway although I think they should take it.

Totally different equation for lower sides, they DEFINITELY should take the extra first rounders.
Kangaroos made out like a bandit doing that deal last year

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I wouldn’t have traded Riewoldt for three picks 15 years later, no.

Then again Riewoldt never won the Saints a flag so perhaps they should have traded pick 1 for pick 12 Shaun Burgoyne, pick 18 Daniel Kerr and throw in the Vol-Kane-O at pick 20

No this is my cherry picked version, you dont get to do another.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

No this is my cherry picked version, you dont get to do another.

I’m cherry picking the questions I answer.

You can either take this answer or I’ll give you three others.

Which do you choose?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Lets use the 2000 draft though with picks around roughly what we expect them to be

Riewoldt

or

Andrew McDougal (pick 5), Simon Wiggins (pick 15) followed by a future first Barry Brooks

Barry Brooks

Age

40

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

4.4

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.4

2star

HO

5.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

2.6

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

0.6

1star

HO

6.2

5star

(pick 15)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Lets be optimistic and say we win a flag with Riewoldt, so its pick 18 next year instead... the club we trade our picks to gets Shane Harvey

Shane Harvey

Age

41

Ht

176cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.1

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

1.6

2star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.8

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

1.2

2star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

1.0

4star

instead of Brooks. That makes the trade a little less lopsided doesnt it.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Lets use the 2000 draft though with picks around roughly what we expect them to be

Riewoldt

or

Andrew McDougal (pick 5), Simon Wiggins (pick 15) followed by a future first Barry Brooks (pick 15)

Probably go with Wiggo and then trade 5 and future first for pick 2 and get Koschitzke.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Hope other readers enjoy this nonsensical argument between Topkent and some of his alts.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Probably go with Wiggo and then trade 5 and future first for pick 2 and get Koschitzke.

Ox would have tried harder to catch him if he was a Dees player

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Ox would have tried harder to catch him if he was a Dees player

Plus he wouldn’t have been playing Bulldogs that game when Giansiracusa ironed him out and wrecked his career.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Plus he wouldn’t have been playing Bulldogs that game when Giansiracusa ironed him out and wrecked his career.

How many years does that get you at the tribunal these days, beautiful bump.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

How many years does that get you at the tribunal these days, beautiful bump.

Textbook shepherd. Would have been executed live on afl.com.au on Monday morning if he did it in 2023

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

We tried trading 3 firsts for Humphrey last year. I dont think they are locked into a specific strategy, it's one draft at a time, which is exactly what it should always be.

picking.
Personally I think we should approach GC this year to trade three first rounders for Bailey Humphrey.

 

[Meds]

Based on the ladder right now we have picks 6 and 16. Next year's first is slated to be on the table as well.

I've gone back to the last 11 drafts and listed below pick 1, 6, 16 and the next year's 20. I chose 20 partly randomly, but also partly because picks slide when F/S and academy picks are included. I haven't assumed 6 or 16 slide, so i'm compensating for that a bit. 20 is still first round most of the time, but you could use any pick in the teens as a comparison.

Here's the list:

	1​	6​	16​	future 1st (20)
2021​	Horne-Francis	Rachele	Darcy Wilmot	Jacob Konstanty
2020​	Ugle-Hagan	Grainger-Barras	Lachie Jones	Kai Lohmann
2019​	Rowell	McAsey	Cooper Stephens	Max Holmes
2018​	Walsh	Ben King	Ned McHenry	Sam Philp
2017​	Rayner	J. Stephenson	Ed Richards	Collier-Dawkins
2016​	McGrath	Petrevski-Seton	Todd Marshall	Coleman-Jones
2015​	Weitering	Francis	Himmelberg	Isaac Cumming
2014​	McCartin	Marchbank	Sam Durdin	Fiorini
2013​	Boyd	Scharenberg	Darcy Lang	Laverde
2012​	Whitfield	Macrae	Jackson Thurlow	Jack Leslie
2011​	Patton	Wingard	Tom Sheridan	Broomhead

Which years do you take pick 1, and which do you take 6,16 and 20 based on this?

Whilst not necessarily at Reid levels, there are certainly a few #1s on this list that were touted as superstars from an early age (thinking Rowell, Weitering, Boyd and Patton in particular)

 

[raven echo]

I'm chips all in on Reid. **** it. Add a generational talent that can take over from the likes of Trac and Clarry in five or so years time.

 

[dylan93]

Yeah Reid sounds like he'll be more like an Ashcroft/Walsh type as opposed to the many talls that have gone at 1 and never really eventuated.

I spose we just death ride Freo for now and see where we're at come end of season.

 

[Fork n Hell]

i'd be keen to trade up, i always am, and go after the very top talent. we're here to win Premierships, not build a nice looking list of first round selections like Essendon or Carlton.