Analysis 2023 Draft Watch

[Soapy V]

It's not about rating them or not, that's an absolute thing...

This is a relative thing. To my mind Markov is next to no chance of making it, HOK who knows....

Edwards caned him when they matched up...has 5cm on him, shows more potential up forward and is seemingly a much better around the ground mark.

(that said, tough on HOK when he was always second string to Mirk)

Young & Jack aren't rucks.

Pitto's injury history must be a cause for concern too?

It's to many. No club carries that many

 

[BluStreak]

I am on the Simpson band wagon.
If M Edwards is there I would certainly consider him over Collard or Moir.
I don't believe that Mirkov will make it and would rather see HOK developed as a forward ruck.
No idea if TDK will stay with us once he is a free agent. Pitto is no guarntee to play a full season and has not shown sufficient forward prowess.

 

[smashbox gill]

I just can't see us picking another Ruck. Would be way too many on one list. People may not rate Mirkov/O'Keefe (I do) but if the club kept them they must rate them.

Adding another Ruck to TDK Pittonet Mirkov O'Keefe Young plus Jack would be a big list imbalance

As Austin has said this year is about depth. We need depth elsewhere

Mirkov is contracted or would have been cut this year imo. The game has evolved from the can tap only ruckman, and mirkov has showed very little in his time on the list besides that.

not to sure about HOK

 

[Ninja Worrier]

No use drafting for needs if they aren't going to make the grade. I'd rather us select Edwards who projects as an AFL quality ruck with the view to cutting Mirkov and balancing the list next year

 

[bigm386]

I just can't see us picking another Ruck. Would be way too many on one list. People may not rate Mirkov/O'Keefe (I do) but if the club kept them they must rate them.

Adding another Ruck to TDK Pittonet Mirkov O'Keefe Young plus Jack would be a big list imbalance

As Austin has said this year is about depth. We need depth elsewhere

I struggle with our ruck situation and have for some time.

We talk about our depth but as we saw in 2023. If Pittonet wasn't fit which he wasn't for most of the season. TDK really struggled as a number 1 ruck. JSOS also got smacked by bigger ruckman, his ground work aside.

We have ruck depth yet found ourselves in a position where McKay was in the ruck... I mean even if Mirkov is fit, he wouldn't have been selected for AFL either was O'Keefe.

Would a rookie ruckman fix this, short answer is probably not even if it was a first/second round talent.

But I really worry about our rucks outside of some significant development in TDK.

Pittonet just doesn't do enough around the ground to be in the best 22 for me over the next 5 or so years. He was barely able to jump all season and hopefully his body recovers over the off season.

Part of me would be happy to move on Mirkov at the end of 2023 and focus on developing O'Keefe as a genunine ruck and drafting a forward who can ruck such as Mitch Edwards if he is available. To hopefully partner with TDK after a few years of development.

 

[Soapy V]

Mirkov is contracted or would have been cut this year imo. The game has evolved from the can tap only ruckman, and mirkov has showed very little in his time on the list besides that.

not to sure about HOK

and that's fine. Neither are established

I just don't get adding another ruck because you don't rate the others. Waste of List spots which are vital

If we got another one for this reason we should have cut someone else

 

[tarczonandjane]

All the Tassie boys are being drafted out of the north of the state, so I’m sure they would all concur that Hobart is a massive hole and none of them would want to move there to play footy. Or at least that’s what I’m duty bound to say as a proudly adopted Launcestonian.

True

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[BlueGum]

Geez, the Eagles need more than one pick.

 

[Soapy V]

I struggle with our ruck situation and have for some time.

We talk about our depth but as we saw in 2023. If Pittonet wasn't fit which he wasn't for most of the season. TDK really struggled as a number 1 ruck. JSOS also got smacked by bigger ruckman, his ground work aside.

We have ruck depth yet found ourselves in a position where McKay was in the ruck... I mean even if Mirkov is fit, he wouldn't have been selected for AFL either was O'Keefe.

Would a rookie ruckman fix this, short answer is probably not even if it was a first/second round talent.

But I really worry about our rucks outside of some significant development in TDK.

Pittonet just doesn't do enough around the ground to be in the best 22 for me over the next 5 or so years. He was barely able to jump all season and hopefully his body recovers over the off season.

Part of me would be happy to move on Mirkov at the end of 2023 and focus on developing O'Keefe as a genunine ruck and drafting a forward who can ruck such as Mitch Edwards if he is available. To hopefully partner with TDK after a few years of development.

I understand your point.

My comments are about adding more rucks because we don't rate what we have. Makes no sense to me.

Rucks are also hard to rate as youngsters and take a lot of time. It's a role that if we need to fill I would always chase later. If you look at the last group of Premiership rucks, most have been recruited from other sides.

My take is 4 is max on a list. List spots are just too valuable

 

[Soapy V]

Geez, the Eagles need more than one pick.

I'm suprised they haven't traded pick 1. They need multiple picks

 

[Coona Blues]

All the Tassie boys are being drafted out of the north of the state, so I’m sure they would all concur that Hobart is a massive hole and none of them would want to move there to play footy. Or at least that’s what I’m duty bound to say as a proudly adopted Launcestonian.

Can confirm these sentiments as an “ex-pat” northerner. Born Burnie in north-west and formative years in George Town (Bolton territory, close enough) north of “Launnie”. Mainlanders do not appreciate the rivalry between north and south in such a small state. May be some logic to the Tassie boys from the north not blindly committing to a southern based team.

 

[Sin City]

Can confirm these sentiments as an “ex-pat” northerner. Born Burnie in north-west and formative years in George Town (Bolton territory, close enough) north of “Launnie”. Mainlanders do not appreciate the rivalry between north and south in such a small state. May be some logic to the Tassie boys from the north not blindly committing to a southern based team.

That’s my thoughts too living in Launceston. Two to three hour (closer to four with the never ending ****ing roadworks) drive to Hobart or 45 minute flight to Melbourne. I’ve been to Melbourne four times this year and Hobart once. Beautiful place but a long way from home for these Lonnie guys that are about to be drafted.

 

[bigm386]

Geez, the Eagles need more than one pick.

It's really frustrating for me that the probably have the worst list in the comp. Yet have nowhere near the draft hand gifted to North and for that matter the GCS through academy and various concessions.

Feels like WCE are going to have to suffer through it because they are a big club.

 

[Matty411]

Cowan I really like. Boyd as well who is 25. Cincotta is 26

I would really like to see us add more run from defence along with another KPP. I like DeMattia as a running HB. Simpson could play that role, Hardeman another. The one I would like and would pick is Jiath. I see major upside in this kid

If Moir is our target can we see him starting off HB? I would be very interested to see how he went in interviews. His skill level is of the highest standard. Imporessive

My question is does he have the mental toughness. There must be some reason a kid with his skill set is available near pick 30?

I've spoken before and mentioned recently again about intangibles and how they're equally - if not more important - as far as making it. You can be the most skilled player but if you don't have that hunger, grit, work ethic and ability to do the team things/get your hands dirty - then it can be for nought.

I'm not the best person to answer this question, but can that be taught? I'm not sure it can.

 

[Soapy V]

It's really frustrating for me that the probably have the worst list in the comp. Yet have nowhere near the draft hand gifted to North and for that matter the GCS through academy and various concessions.

Feels like WCE are going to have to suffer through it because they are a big club.

What North has been given is ridiculous. By the end of this draft they will have a list of Under 21s as good as any ever seen on one list.

Bonus's for failing piss me off

 

[marcmurphy3]

I understand your point.

My comments are about adding more rucks because we don't rate what we have. Makes no sense to me.

Rucks are also hard to rate as youngsters and take a lot of time. It's a role that if we need to fill I would always chase later. If you look at the last group of Premiership rucks, most have been recruited from other sides.

My take is 4 is max on a list. List spots are just too valuable

I initially thought that as well, however, If we really rate Edwards I think we could take him under the following conditions:
A) We dont rate Mirkov and HUD that highly
B) We are happy to play one of the rucks mainly forward next year
C) We plan to delist/trade 1-2 rucks at the end of next season

Also, we are definately a mature depth key forward short on our list. If we dont plan to take one and play one of the rucks forward, that should partially address the balance issue in the short term at least.

The big pros around Edwards is he is 206cm so modern ruck height, talented enough to justify investing time in him and rucks taken in the 2nd round of the draft or higher actually have an incredibly high hit rate. They nearly always at least retain their value at the trade table.

 

[Matty411]

Also - agree on the Eagles. If I'm them, I'm asking for 2, 3 and 15 for Reid then building around McKercher and Curtain then nabbing another good player. But they won't - they probably feel that they need to back in Reid to be the messiah.

 

[Soapy V]

I've spoken before and mentioned recently again about intangibles and how they're equally - if not more important - as far as making it. You can be the most skilled player but if you don't have that hunger, grit, work ethic and ability to do the team things/get your hands dirty - then it can be for nought.

I'm not the best person to answer this question, but can that be taught? I'm not sure it can.

It can be taught/learned but the best have it naturally. Walsh for me is the classic example.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I understand your point.

My comments are about adding more rucks because we don't rate what we have. Makes no sense to me.

Rucks are also hard to rate as youngsters and take a lot of time. It's a role that if we need to fill I would always chase later. If you look at the last group of Premiership rucks, most have been recruited from other sides.

My take is 4 is max on a list. List spots are just too valuable

For mine, Edwards is such a talent, it would be hard not to select him if he's still on the board at our pick - which I'd very much doubt. North in the box seat to grab him if the Swans take Will Green as Twomey has projected.

You're correct though that the general rule of thumb is having 4 on the list. We don't know what Mirk's health situation is - hopefully he's fully recovered - but either way, it'd be doubtful whether he's on the list beyond 2024. TDK also becomes a pre-agent next year. So we'd basically just be planning a year ahead from a list management perspective.

Ruckmen do take a lot of time to develop, which it may be wise to invest now.

From what I've read, there's not a lot of ruck talent emerging so far in the next two drafts - so if you want to invest in a talented young ruck, now could be the time. I'd expect there'd be a few clubs with a similar philosophy.

Having said all that garbage - I'd be fine if we ended up with an Edwards/Simpson combo, or even a Moir/Simpson combo if Edwards is off the board.

 

[Soapy V]

For mine, Edwards is such a talent, it would be hard not to select him if he's still on the board at our pick - which I'd very much doubt. North in the box seat to grab him if the Swans take Will Green as Twomey has projected.

You're correct though that the general rule of thumb is having 4 on the list. We don't know what Mirk's health situation is - hopefully he's fully recovered - but either way, it'd be doubtful whether he's on the list beyond 2024. TDK also becomes a pre-agent next year. So we'd basically just be planning a year ahead from a list management perspective.

Ruckmen do take a lot of time to develop, which it may be wise to invest now.

From what I've read, there's not a lot of ruck talent emerging so far in the next two drafts - so if you want to invest in a talented young ruck, now could be the time. I'd expect there'd be a few clubs with a similar philosophy.

Having said all that garbage - I'd be fine if we ended up with an Edwards/Simpson combo, or even a Moir/Simpson combo if Edwards is off the board.

Your points are fair and understandable.

My issue is, and will always be, list spots. they are Gold. Also, our time is NOW. Austin & Agresta have both spoken about "depth". Players that can push for spots now.

IMO Ruck is not an issue for us. We have options that are good enough.

I just believe that we have other spots to fill and add and young rucks are the hardest to assess

If we pick Edwards I certainly won't be complaining but given our list it makes little sense to me

 

[Aphrodite]

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[Soapy V]

Trying to be realistic about who will be available here is my order of preferences for what I believe will help us in 2024 and who I would pick

1. Harry DiMattia - Left foot, leg speed and finds it. Could easily play BH or Mid. Underrated skills as he is not silky but he is very effective

2. Cooper Simpson - Leg speed and a one touch player. Can find it in the midfield. Better than rated

3. Will Dawson - KPP or Ruck. Fills many roles and looks quality. So much upside

4. Ollie Murphy - If Cal Twomey is right and he isn't being picked up we should jump all over him. KPP will lots of upside

5. Tew Jiath - Run from defence and lots of improvement in him. Love the potential

6. Ashton Moir - I struggle to guage where to rate him as his skills are ELITE. Has it all. So why is he rated so low? Effort, Mental toughness, Lazy?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

It's really frustrating for me that the probably have the worst list in the comp. Yet have nowhere near the draft hand gifted to North and for that matter the GCS through academy and various concessions.

Feels like WCE are going to have to suffer through it because they are a big club.

Wait until they’re absolute next year….the AFL will not want to give them a leg up because they’re considered a big club and financially incredibly stable, however, the hypocrisy of draft concessions will be on show to everyone and I hope they make a massive deal out of it.


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[swuzzlebubble]

IMO Ruck is not an issue for us. We have options that are good enough

Enough rucks change clubs every year that we should always be able to get one via a trade if needed