Fantasy 2023 - EMPIRE League - Discussion

[BeinPurplenGreen]

shiny_on_top ...

Pass or Match on Mike Evans?

Pass = you receive 2.07

Match = you get Evans for 3 years and the franchise tag cost of 4m is replaced with the winning bid anount of 50k

So he gets Mike Evans for $50k????? For 3 years??

Wowsa, I better check the latest on the Ridley sweepstakes...

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Match = you get Evans for 3 years and the franchise tag cost of 4m is replaced with the winning bid anount of 50k

Yeah just curious ..has that always been the case? I’ve screwed it up if it has. Mea culpa of course but I always thought the min would be the franchise cost tag. Winning bid would only apply if >tag

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

So he gets Mike Evans for $50k????? For 3 years??

Wowsa, I better check the latest on the Ridley sweepstakes...

to clarify, he matches the 50k bid, still has to pay his salary of 4.69m also

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yeah just curious ..has that always been the case? I’ve screwed it up if it has. Mea culpa of course but I always thought the min would be the franchise cost tag. Winning bid would only apply if >tag

Always been the case since ive been here.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Always been the case since ive been here.

You’d think I’d know the rules after all these years

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

to clarify, he matches the 50k bid, still has to pay his salary of 4.69m also

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh so nothings chaanged then.

You party pooper, you could have let the newbies like fuey panic a bit more for a few more hours wondering what magic they needed to do to get GG.exe to give them players for 3 years for 50K.


A11dAtP0w3R being the voice of measured sensible careful reasoned gradual step by step supportive help, whodathunkit 5 years ago??

 

[Exe Gesis]

A players salary is always a players salary.

Franchise tagging has a specific set of rules....

1) if no one bids on your tagged player, he returns to your roster for 1 year contract on his salary and the cost of the tag is applied to your cap.

2) if someone bids on your tagged player, and you pass....the player goes to the new team on a 3 yr contract on his current salary, and the winning bid is applied against the new owner. And obviously the tag cost no longer appllies.

3) if you decide to match....you get the player back on 3 yr contract, on his salary, but the tag cost is replaced by the winning bid amount.

So....the cost of the tag only happens when a tagged player is never subject to a pass/match sutuation, returns to your roster on the 1 yr tag contract.

If no one bids on my Sam Darnold, he will return for 1 yr, and i cop the tag cost.

Calvin Ridley....vs....Mike Evans.....Shiny wad lucky that only i chose to bid on Evans (50k). So easy decision to match. Whereas BpG has to decide perhaps passing is better than matching....if he matches, the 8m+ winning bid amount will be applied against his cap to keep Ridley for 3 yrs. But if he passes, he gets a 1st round pick, and no cap charge.

Basically, by marching, you're decidong to take ownership of the winning bid amount.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Typos be damned

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh so nothings chaanged then.

You party pooper, you could have let the newbies like fuey panic a bit more for a few more hours wondering what magic they needed to do to get GG.exe to give them players for 3 years for 50K.


A11dAtP0w3R being the voice of measured sensible careful reasoned gradual step by step supportive help, whodathunkit 5 years ago??

If we dont have the new guys we have no league. Got to be thankful for FuFu and Remon.

That was my thought when responding, was a bit of confusion around bids and salary from both earlier so didnt want them getting confused again.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

If we dont have the new guys we have no league. Got to be thankful for FuFu and Remon.

That was my thought when responding, was a bit of confusion around bids and salary from both earlier so didnt want them getting confused again.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Righto, who the **** gave Kellen Mond a 4 year deal? Isn't he a coach now not a player??

 

[Exe Gesis]

Righto, who the * gave Kellen Mond a 4 year deal? Isn't he a coach now not a player??

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Kellen Moore is a coach now

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Kellen Moore is a coach now

Someone got my joke, I'm two for two tonight, yeehaw...

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Can guarantee LennyHayes77 didnt look at the franchise tags before bidding on Ridley...first and final warning to you too mate before cap penalties.

GG.exe will have to reset timer on that auction im 99.9% sure.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

00Stinger
LennyHayes77

 

[Exe Gesis]

LennyHayes77 so did you willingly put up your 1.02 to bid on Ridley or was it a mistake? If it was a mistake l have to delete entire bid and re-submit the last known legitimate bid.

 

[LennyHayes77]

Sorry yep, I didn't realise he was tagged. I should know better! I wouldn't have bid had I known. A thousand apologies guys

 

[drd23]

arakaan already upped the bid

 

[Dagless]

Nah looks like GG hopped in for Arakaan and restarted the auction at his previous high bid

 

[Dagless]

Given people still have the option to match for good players, I think the auction would be a tad more interesting if franchise tags maxed out as 2nd rounders.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

3) if you decide to match....you get the player back on 3 yr contract, on his salary, but the tag cost is replaced by the winning bid amount.

So I could do a secret deal with someone else where we do a slightly skewed trade on the understanding he puts in a $50k bid on my franchise tag player that’s on a big salary ?

I get it if someone else gets him and I pass but don’t get the logic around this scenario. You’re tagging him to either retain or ensure a good pick. The price you pay should be the higher amt of the tag cost v winning bid

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

So I could do a secret deal with someone else where we do a slightly skewed trade on the understanding he puts in a $50k bid on my franchise tag player that’s on a big salary ?

I get it if someone else gets him and I pass but don’t get the logic around this scenario. You’re tagging him to either retain or ensure a good pick. The price you pay should be the higher amt of the tag cost v winning bid

I look at it like its a skill, choosing the appropriate tag while not having too much over interest, getting someone to bid on them for the minimum is an art somewhat. If Shiny tagged Evans with a first he wouldnt have got a single bid for example.

Dagless bid on Kamara under similar circumstances last year and drd rejected it. Hasn't exactly worked out for drd with Kamara looking shot and now on a 3 year deal instead of just the 1 year which it would have been under the tag.

If you want to try and organise shifty deals to avoid the tag, go ahead I say, but it could potentially backfire if there is enough interest and you pay more than the tag.

 

[Exe Gesis]

There is a possibility for collusion, but itd be pretty transparent and i would come down hard on them both.

If people do their tags with thought, there zhouldbt be scope for collusion....eg....i did darnold as a ludicrous 1st so no one would be bid on him and id get him back and only cop a 1m cap cost. Shiny also thought well for Evans only a 2nd, but oddly no one bid on him like they did ridley. And obviously BpG did Ridley well seeing as he'll get a 1st for him legitimately

 

[Exe Gesis]

Anyway, i can re-think a better tag systen for next season

 

[Exe Gesis]

I can do two types of tags then in future.

1) where you put a franchise tag on them, they return to your roster for only 1 yr + cost of tag. Player doesnt go ibto auction.

2) a Restricted Tag, where player does go into auction, no tag cost, draft value placed on them, and is subject to a pass/match. So whatever the bid is. No tag cost. But what if no one bids on them? Then back to team on 3 yrs? $0 cap charge?