List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Giant Strides]

Media links us to Clay Tucker (although Norths also linked) and Marty Hore

27

Marty Hore

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

263.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

18.2

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

5.4

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

282.2

5star

. The former would indicate pessimism about Preuss, perhaps short term (can't solve his current woes) or longer term (no longer the answer to our ruck problem) - and Madden would be some time away anyway. Unsure of the attraction of Marty Hore

27

Marty Hore

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

263.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

18.2

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

5.4

4star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.8

4star

MG

282.2

5star

; at his height, he'd be taking the spot of Idun or Brown, which doesn't seem a value move.

Maybe we've just been very good at disguising our intention.

Anyway, we'll see come Wednesday.

 

[geelongrecruit5]

Media links us to Clay Tucker (although Norths also linked) and Marty Hore. The former would indicate pessimism about Preuss, perhaps short term (can't solve his current woes) or longer term (no longer the answer to our ruck problem) - and Madden would be some time away anyway. Unsure of the attraction of Marty Hore; at his height, he'd be taking the spot of Idun or Brown, which doesn't seem a value move.

Maybe we've just been very good at disguising our intention.

Anyway, we'll see come Wednesday.

He has had some massive numbers this year in particular marks, wonder how many have been intercepts.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

An article about the benefits of us bidding for Harley Reid by letting Himmelberg go and packaging up the 3 first round pick for Harley. I personally think that it’s not worth it, but it seems that Harley is a generational talent who is the undoubted number 1 draft pick.

Packaging selections 4,5 and let’s say 19 is worth 4,860 draft points. Pick 1 is valued at 3,000 points. On pure metrics GWS would be giving up too much, but prying Reid away from West Coast or North means they will need to pay more than the draft calculator determines.

If the Giants can pull this off, the next challenge would be re-signing Reid in the same way they were unable to do with Caldwell.

Reid is close with 2022 Pick 1 Aaron Cadman, Category B rookie Jason Gilbee, and 19-year-old Cooper Hamilton.

TOM MORRIS: Harley Reid is a generational talent who could deliver elusive flag to GWS. How ambitious will the Giants be?

“Harley Reid is the most obvious number one pick we’ve seen probably since Nick Riewoldt.” This is what a long-time AFL recruiter said last…

www.theroar.com.au

 

[Giant Strides]

GWS passed on both its picks in the MSD.

Rumour is that we only wanted the ruckman Clay Tucker, and once he was off the board we elected not to choose anyone.

Eagles get their man as ex-Cat, axed Pie get second chance

West Coast has selected forward Ryan Maric with the first pick in the NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft

www.afl.com.au

First round

1. West Coast - Ryan Maric (Gippsland Power)
2. North Melbourne - Robert Hansen jnr (Subiaco)
3. Hawthorn - Clay Tucker (Eastern Ranges)
4. Richmond - Matt Coulthard (Glenelg)
5. Greater Western Sydney - Pass
6. Sydney - Harry Arnold (Brisbane VFL)
7. Geelong - Mitch Hardie (Woodville-West Torrens)
8. Fremantle - Ethan Stanley (Box Hill Hawks)
9. Essendon - Jaiden Hunter (Perth)
10. Western Bulldogs - Caleb Poulter (Footscray)
11. Port Adelaide - Quinton Narkle

42

Quinton Narkle

Age

26

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

6.9

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

(Essendon VFL)

Second round

12. Hawthorn - Brandon Ryan (Northern Bullants)
13. Richmond - James Trezise (Richmond VFL)
14. Greater Western Sydney - Pass
15. Sydney - Jack Buller (Claremont)

 

[MelbourneGWS]

So Kingsley wanted Tucker as ruck insurance, but when hawthorn picked him before us, decided to stick with our current list (even with 2 long term injuries to Kennedy and Darcy) for the rest of the year? Indicates he is happy with the current list he has, or there was no one (other than Tucker) that was good enough?

 

[PMBangers]

Good call imo, if there's no one you view as a potential ND worthy Pick at years end there's little point in tieing up a list spot, rookie or otherwise

 

[sydney_gws]

Good call imo, if there's no one you view as a potential ND worthy Pick at years end there's little point in tieing up a list spot, rookie or otherwise

It also saves some cap space, encourages the current list that they are being backed in.

 

[dlanod]

So Kingsley wanted Tucker as ruck insurance, but when hawthorn picked him before us, decided to stick with our current list (even with 2 long term injuries to Kennedy and Darcy) for the rest of the year? Indicates he is happy with the current list he has, or there was no one (other than Tucker) that was good enough?

Anyone you take either has to be delisted at the end of the year, or you need to delist someone else to find space for them because at the end of the year you've now got four players for two list spots (since the injured guys will return). So unless you see them as a long term prospect or someone who can fill a desperate need right now, there's not a heap of incentive in recruiting from the MSD and given you're generally picking through the scraps after the first few picks it makes sense to me.

 

[Orange Agent]

So Kingsley wanted Tucker as ruck insurance, but when hawthorn picked him before us, decided to stick with our current list (even with 2 long term injuries to Kennedy and Darcy) for the rest of the year? Indicates he is happy with the current list he has, or there was no one (other than Tucker) that was good enough?

It wouldn't be Kingsley's call. Given the age of our current rucks it's time to develop another.

 

[Giant Pete]

Bit of talk that “pick purchasing” might come in soon. I guess it’s sort of already been around. But in any case, I wonder how much a pick 5 is, for example? $700000??? I have no idea. If we sold one of our top picks it would help no end with our tight cap.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Anyone you take either has to be delisted at the end of the year, or you need to delist someone else to find space for them because at the end of the year you've now got four players for two list spots (since the injured guys will return). So unless you see them as a long term prospect or someone who can fill a desperate need right now, there's not a heap of incentive in recruiting from the MSD and given you're generally picking through the scraps after the first few picks it makes sense to me.

True indeed. I think we have picked well in the mid year drafts so far though? Peatling from the 2021 mid year draft has played more than 25 games for us, and Derksen from the 2022 mid year draft has been a very useful VFL player and should debut sometime this year.

 

[sydney_gws]

It wouldn't be Kingsley's call. Given the age of our current rucks it's time to develop another.

Whose call is it? Jason McCartney? Caruso?
Do we have a list management committee?

 

[dlanod]

True indeed. I think we have picked well in the mid year drafts so far though? Peatling from the 2021 mid year draft has played more than 25 games for us, and Derksen from the 2022 mid year draft has been a very useful VFL player and should debut sometime this year.

Yep and we had two spots available, so obviously we didn't rate anyone as highly as we rated Peatling or Derksen.

 

[Orange Agent]

Whose call is it? Jason McCartney? Caruso?
Do we have a list management committee?

Mostly Caruso, plus Emma Q and a few others.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Mostly Caruso, plus Emma Q and a few others.

In conjunction with McCarthy and Kingsley I'd imagine. Theres no way that they are leaving drafting purely to the scouts

 

[sydney_gws]

Bit of talk that “pick purchasing” might come in soon. I guess it’s sort of already been around. But in any case, I wonder how much a pick 5 is, for example? $700000??? I have no idea. If we sold one of our top picks it would help no end with our tight cap.

Hopefully this issue with the cap gets better over time. But if I was a player and we gave away a top 5 pick, I would leave. If management is stuffing up the list, why stay on a sinking ship. It is your chances of winning a flag being wasted. Especially if I am Sam Taylor or Callaghan.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Mostly Caruso, plus Emma Q and a few others.

Emma Q was the one who at the mid year draft, announced when we were on the clock that we were passing on our respective picks

 

[Colonial]

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[sydney_gws]

Well done on signing Hopefully the knee is getting better.

 

[Giant Pete]

This is tremendous. Our gamestyle will be built around guys like Darcy. He is the most agile player to come through the system. The club really liked what they saw prior to the injury.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

This is tremendous. Our gamestyle will be built around guys like Darcy. He is the most agile player to come through the system. The club really liked what they saw prior to the injury.

Good signing. But no movement on Ash or Himmelberg yet, and I am increasingly pessimistic about HH.

 

[sydney_gws]

Good signing. But no movement on Ash or Himmelberg yet, and I am increasingly pessimistic about HH.

So am I. That is the problem with Free Agency.
Anybody decent who is a FA attracts a feeding frenzy as they can be gotten potentially for free. Hopefully we make finals, Richmond I think is looking less attractive, Geelong too if I was Harry. I guess it depends in part where he wants to play on the field. Swans surely play him down back if he went there.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

So am I. That is the problem with Free Agency.
Anybody decent as who is a FA attracts a feeding frenzy as they can be gotten potentially for free. Hopefully we make finals, Richmond I think is looking less attractive, Geelong too if I was Harry. I guess it depends in part where he wants to play on the field. Swans surely play him down back if he went there.

I don’t blame HH. This is his chance to maximise his $ and he has to do the best thing for his family and himself. I want him to stay though and hope the friendships and connections built over his time with us, makes him accept a lower than market offer to be with us at the end of the year

 

[MelbourneGWS]

We seem to be having a strategy of extending the two year contracts for our current draft picks from 2024 to 2026- Rowston, Gruzewski and now Darcy Jones. Effectively a 4 year contract for new draft picks. Just Cadman and Toby McMillan of our 5 current draft picks now have contracts that expire at the end of 2024.