List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[BarryAglett]

SO with West Coast now having pick 2 do that just grab Curtain which I suspect they will, or would they be open to our 2 first rounders for pick 2 and we draft in McKercher.

Could happen. If they can't get Reid then 2 first rounders would be ideal.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Ok so Harley Reid is officially gone, off to the horrific North Melbourne. Now all efforts have to be made to get next best!

 

[GWS Goose]

Certainly seems like Kingsley has gotten a buy in like Cameron was never able to.

You don't think he had buy in from 2016-19.

Players and ex players always speak very highly of Leon..
He created a very tough culture.
He was imperfect, but did a lot right along the way as well.

 

[GWS Goose]

Could happen. If they can't get Reid then 2 first rounders would be ideal.

I would love that so much

 

[GWS Goose]

I’d love a player like Jesse Motlop, just highly skilled and a threat. Interestingly I believe he was a player we considered strongly in his draft year. He just re-signed so is not an option but a guy like him might be a point of difference. Overall I think our list looks terrific.

I think they see Jones as being that style player

 

[Orange crush]

Tuggers retirees done for the season and possibly a few in cotton wool nxt week, so Adelaide beat West Coast and we get pick 6 ... how we gonna spend that bad boy?

 

[sydney_gws]

Tuggers retirees done for the season and possibly a few in cotton wool nxt week, so Adelaide beat West Coast and we get pick 6 ... how we gonna spend that bad boy?

Wisely I hope. Don't get involved in a mega trade where we give up more than is fair.
We also where prepared to give up 19 for Jaeger OMeara, thank goodness he preferred Fremantle.

 

[Giant Strides]

Simple question, complex answer. As I've said before, I do think we need more midfield options (particularly in the contest). However, there are not a lot of good options where our picks are looking to end up. Still plenty to shake out across the league in respect of ladder positions, too.

 

[Giant Pete]

I believe Angwin is mates with Dursmaa from Port… could that be a way to lure his younger brother?

 

[Giant Strides]

I believe Angwin is mates with Dursmaa from Port… could that be a way to lure his younger brother?

The draft doesn't really give you any extra opportunity due to a previous sibling ... and we'd still have to go out and get the older Duursma, anyway.

 

[Giant Pete]

The draft doesn't really give you any extra opportunity due to a previous sibling ... and we'd still have to go out and get the older Duursma, anyway.

No I just mean draft Dutsmaa… he’ll have someone he might know at the club.

 

[sydney_gws]

Simple question, complex answer. As I've said before, I do think we need more midfield options (particularly in the contest). However, there are not a lot of good options where our picks are looking to end up. Still plenty to shake out across the league in respect of ladder positions, too.

Hopefully North don't get a priority pick now. If we get picks 6,12 then they are pretty good.
Maybe we should trade 12 to Richmond for 2024r1.

 

[Giant Strides]

No I just mean draft Dutsmaa… he’ll have someone he might know at the club.

Oh, right, I misunderstood what you meant. I suspect Duursma is gone by where the Tiges' pick ends up, but he'd definitely be in the mix if he happened to slide - and any link to make him more comfortable would be welcome.

 

[Giant Pete]

Hopefully North don't get a priority pick now. If we get picks 6,12 then they are pretty good.
Maybe we should trade 12 to Richmond for 2024r1.

You mean 6 and 18.

 

[GWS Goose]

Tuggers retirees done for the season and possibly a few in cotton wool nxt week, so Adelaide beat West Coast and we get pick 6 ... how we gonna spend that bad boy?

By throwing in pick 18 (time to dream) and maybe something else to grab either Mckercher (ideally) or Dursma

 

[PMBangers]

Simple question, complex answer. As I've said before, I do think we need more midfield options (particularly in the contest). However, there are not a lot of good options where our picks are looking to end up. Still plenty to shake out across the league in respect of ladder positions, too.

If we could lure an established young mid I'd be happy to depart with our own first rounder this year, but the issue is getting that interest from a player in the first place. It'd be a long shot but I wonder if a move to a less AFL focused state with more marketing opportunities outside footy would appeal to a Bailey Smith, gets us another strong midfielder in the contest. Again, I know it's unlikely but that's the sort of move we should be exploring.

Otherwise, knowing Caruso doesn't mind taking a risk, I wouldn't be shocked to see us try and aggressively target a pick 3 from Hawthorn in an effort to land Watson/ Duurs/ McKercher, dependant on North compo. Obviously a lot to play out but I still like the appeal of an O'Sullivan and Wilson combo, Wilson as a high workrate winger/ half forward and O'Sullivan as a KPP with form at either end

Or trade a pick into 2024

 

[Orange crush]

If we could lure an established young mid I'd be happy to depart with our own first rounder this year, but the issue is getting that interest from a player in the first place. It'd be a long shot but I wonder if a move to a less AFL focused state with more marketing opportunities outside footy would appeal to a Bailey Smith, gets us another strong midfielder in the contest. Again, I know it's unlikely but that's the sort of move we should be exploring.

Otherwise, knowing Caruso doesn't mind taking a risk, I wouldn't be shocked to see us try and aggressively target a pick 3 from Hawthorn in an effort to land Watson/ Duurs/ McKercher, dependant on North compo. Obviously a lot to play out but I still like the appeal of an O'Sullivan and Wilson combo, Wilson as a high workrate winger/ half forward and O'Sullivan as a KPP with form at either end

Or trade a pick into 2024

O’Sullivan seems a good pick and I thought about trading into next year if there’s no one we really desire

 

[sydney_gws]

If we could lure an established young mid I'd be happy to depart with our own first rounder this year, but the issue is getting that interest from a player in the first place. It'd be a long shot but I wonder if a move to a less AFL focused state with more marketing opportunities outside footy would appeal to a Bailey Smith, gets us another strong midfielder in the contest. Again, I know it's unlikely but that's the sort of move we should be exploring.

Otherwise, knowing Caruso doesn't mind taking a risk, I wouldn't be shocked to see us try and aggressively target a pick 3 from Hawthorn in an effort to land Watson/ Duurs/ McKercher, dependant on North compo. Obviously a lot to play out but I still like the appeal of an O'Sullivan and Wilson combo, Wilson as a high workrate winger/ half forward and O'Sullivan as a KPP with form at either end

Or trade a pick into 2024

I think we can get Gold Coasts pick 4. But if West Coast, Hawthorn, Gold Coast do a 3 way seal we won't be able to get it

 

[Andre the Giant]

If trading one of our first rounders for a future 1st rounder you need to project which team is likely to crash, that is most likely Geelong or possibly Western Bulldogs if they don’t sack their coach early enough in 2024.

Richmond will also fall off the cliff and West Coast will be bad again. I think they are the most vulnerable teams in 2024.

 

[sydney_gws]

This is my idea for getting pick 4 ( if Gold coast want an extra player that is not an academy player, and can't get their hands on pick 2 or 3).
We trade 4,2024r2 for 6,13 ( for winning a final, go out next week).
That is about 350 extra points to gold coast.
We do this in 2 trades though.
We trade first of all in trade week
4 for 13, 2024r3,2024r4.
Points wise, a legitimate trade.
Then, on draft night, instead of using pick 6, we live trade it to gold coast for their 2024r2,r3,r4.
Again, a legitimate trade points wise.

 

[Andre the Giant]

This is my idea for getting pick 4 ( if Gold coast want an extra player that is not an academy player, and can't get their hands on pick 2 or 3).
We trade 4,2024r2 for 6,13 ( for winning a final, go out next week).
That is about 350 extra points to gold coast.
We do this in 2 trades though.
We trade first of all in trade week
4 for 13, 2024r3,2024r4.
Points wise, a legitimate trade.
Then, on draft night, instead of using pick 6, we live trade it to gold coast for their 2024r2,r3,r4.
Again, a legitimate trade points wise.

Maybe but if AFL suspect it’s not legit in terms of the look of the trade they can block it and then we would be rooted! They haven’t liked some of Sydney’s trade antics in the past.

 

[GWS Goose]

This is my idea for getting pick 4 ( if Gold coast want an extra player that is not an academy player, and can't get their hands on pick 2 or 3).
We trade 4,2024r2 for 6,13 ( for winning a final, go out next week).
That is about 350 extra points to gold coast.
We do this in 2 trades though.
We trade first of all in trade week
4 for 13, 2024r3,2024r4.
Points wise, a legitimate trade.
Then, on draft night, instead of using pick 6, we live trade it to gold coast for their 2024r2,r3,r4.
Again, a legitimate trade points wise.

I dont think Gold Coast will want to bring in any more than the 3 academy kids. They will look to trade in 2024. They'll have to upgrade too many first rounders on potential at one time in 2025.

If we want 4. I think we could trade our 2024 first and something else pretty decent, might involve a third side and one of this years first rounders. We could than trade one of this picks into next year if need be. so we still have 2 this year and one next year.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[GWS Goose]

as expected.

Love Phil. He was amazing for us until injuries got the better of him.

 

[GWS Goose]

Just checked in WIki to see how many games he has played. Is it correct that he hasn't played senior football since 2020? That doesnt feel right? He has had some games since then hasn't he?