List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Colonial]

Just checked in WIki to see how many games he has played. Is it correct that he hasn't played senior football since 2020? That doesnt feel right? He has had some games since then hasn't he?

He played last year surely.
Hasn’t played this season.

 

[GWS Goose]

He played last year surely.
Hasn’t played this season.

I thought he did! perhaps his page is outdated.
I would have thought he played some games in both 21 and 22

 

[Orange crush]

I thought he did! perhaps his page is outdated.
I would have thought he played some games in both 21 and 22

Pretty sure he did his hammy vs the tigers at the G last year

 

[dlanod]

Just checked in WIki to see how many games he has played. Is it correct that he hasn't played senior football since 2020? That doesnt feel right? He has had some games since then hasn't he?

Wikipedia is only as good as someone who bothers to update it, so it's useless for stats for non-retired players because no one's updating all player stats regularly.

Any of the stats sites will have him playing 11 games in 2021 and 5 last year.

Phil Davis of the GWS Giants Career AFL Stats

Phil Davis of GWS Giants career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

 

[Gigantic]

Wish Phil the best of luck. Has been a phenomenal person to have at the club, a very astute recruit way back in those early formative years

I'm sure there's plenty of career avenues available for Phil - whether that's in a front office capacity or in media as a commentator/broadcaster

 

[GWS Goose]

Wikipedia is only as good as someone who bothers to update it, so it's useless for stats for non-retired players because no one's updating all player stats regularly.

Any of the stats sites will have him playing 11 games in 2021 and 5 last year.

Phil Davis of the GWS Giants Career AFL Stats

Phil Davis of GWS Giants career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

they usually link it to a stats site, perhaps his page isnt.

Those stats make much more sense

 

[sydney_gws]

I dont think Gold Coast will want to bring in any more than the 3 academy kids. They will look to trade in 2024. They'll have to upgrade too many first rounders on potential at one time in 2025.

If we want 4. I think we could trade our 2024 first and something else pretty decent, might involve a third side and one of this years first rounders. We could than trade one of this picks into next year if need be. so we still have 2 this year and one next year.

Cal Twomey has been talking about it ( both how everybody wants pick 4 from GC, as well as the possibility of getting a pick before a Walter Bid)

 

[GWS Goose]

Cal Twomey has been talking about it ( both how everybody wants pick 4 from GC, as well as the possibility of getting a pick before a Walter Bid)

everybody will definitely want 4, no way they'll keep it, just gets gobbled up.
How do they get in before the Walter bid? that'll be straight away. unless they come back in between Walter and Read.
Id suspect they go the traditional route of trading it for someone's future first.

 

[Callums_Guns]

Official AFL Website of the GWS GIANTS

The official AFL website of the Greater Western Sydney Giants Football Club

www.gwsgiants.com.au

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

is a legend of our club. Whilst his retirement was expected, it’s still sad to see one of our original Giants (and one of our inaugural co-captains) leaving. This just leaves 5 from our original list - Ward, Kennedy, Haynes (all their contracts expire 2024) and Toby and Coniglio (contract expiry 2026).

Thanks for the wonderful memories and your commitment and service to the club and culture. At every fan interactions Phil was polite, considerate and wonderful to the kids. Given his diverse media, commentating and business skills, I am sure he will have a well deserved successful post-Giants career.

phil will be missed and best wishes

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Just checked in WIki to see how many games he has played. Is it correct that he hasn't played senior football since 2020? That doesnt feel right? He has had some games since then hasn't he?

11 in 2021 & 5 in 2022

I always go straight to AFL Tables, updated on a Monday after the round.

AFL Tables - Player Statistics - Greater Western Sydney

 

[dlanod]

11 in 2021 & 5 in 2022

I always go straight to AFL Tables, updated on a Monday after the round.

AFL Tables - Player Statistics - Greater Western Sydney

Yep.

AFL Tables - Greater Western Sydney v Essendon - Sat, 19-Aug-2023 4:35 PM - Match Stats

No real reason, just wanted to revisit those stats.

 

[Colonial]

Bring tissues

 

[Giant Pete]

Bring tissues

Amazing.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Tony Shepherd announces he’s stepping down as Chairman creating a vacancy at the top of the club

3 days later Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

announces his retirement as a player.

coincidence?

 

[Callums_Guns]

Tony Shepherd announces he’s stepping down as Chairman creating a vacancy at the top of the club

3 days later Phil Davis announces his retirement as a player.

coincidence?

Dave Matthews also said in the 2:45pm press conference (1:09) - He will be a key part of the Giants family going forward

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Tony Shepherd announces he’s stepping down as Chairman creating a vacancy at the top of the club

3 days later Phil Davis announces his retirement as a player.

coincidence?

Phil Davis would be an excellent Board member with his footy experience, knowledge, media confidence and business acumen. Based on his profile below he is also a corporate speaker (charging upto $5k a speech!) and is studying for an MBA. However, Phil bring the Chair without any Board experience is very unlikely - maybe Phil joins the Board with the AFL nominating the new chair/ the current deputy chair taking over?

Phil Davis

www.platinumspeakers.com.au

 

[Giant Pete]

AFL look set to introduce veterans list… wonder if we wrangled Haynes’ contract with big back end, so that we could throw it on that list… you can have one player on it, who has given 10 years service and is 32 or older…
Genius if he qualifies.

 

[Del208273]

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

is hired as Special Comments expert for one of the TV broadcasters.

Has done it before.

However, I'd prefer him to have some senior role within the Giants.

Perhaps he can do both like Bartel. We can slowly take over the whole media

 

[GWS Goose]

Wouldn't be at all surprised if Phil Davis is hired as Special Comments expert for one of the TV broadcasters.

Has done it before.

However, I'd prefer him to have some senior role within the Giants.

Perhaps he can do both like Bartel. We can slowly take over the whole media

I suspect both

 

[Giant YoYo]

However, I'd prefer him to have some senior role within the Giants.

Not sure if I should read too much into the comment about our growth in being one of the biggest clubs in the next decade or so, perhaps his next role may be to assist with that in some capacity?

 

[Orange crush]

We’ve been very lucky to have guys like Davis, Ward and Mummy at the club … you can see their fingerprints all over the team

 

[MelbourneGWS]

AFL look set to introduce veterans list… wonder if we wrangled Haynes’ contract with big back end, so that we could throw it on that list… you can have one player on it, who has given 10 years service and is 32 or older…
Genius if he qualifies.

My understanding is that whilst a club can have a veteran if they meet the rules (32 and older, 10 years service), their salary is still included in the salary cap?

The criteria put forward by the AFL in the scenario is the player would have to be over 32 years old and to have served at least 10 years at that same club, with his money still being included in the salary cap.

Club champions set to benefit from flagged list change

A survey sent to clubs last week put forward the possibility of a veterans list, which would allow clubs to have one veteran listed outside of the primary list

www.afl.com.au

 

[Giant Pete]

My understanding is that whilst a club can have a veteran if they meet the rules (32 and older, 10 years service), their salary is still included in the salary cap?

The criteria put forward by the AFL in the scenario is the player would have to be over 32 years old and to have served at least 10 years at that same club, with his money still being included in the salary cap.

Club champions set to benefit from flagged list change

A survey sent to clubs last week put forward the possibility of a veterans list, which would allow clubs to have one veteran listed outside of the primary list

www.afl.com.au

What’s the point of it then? How much allowance is it?

 

[Giant Strides]

What’s the point of it then? How much allowance is it?

It seems to be more a case of any extra player retained ... clearly with no adjustment to TPP, either the veteran or the extra main list player needs to be on minimal $.