List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[sydney_gws]

Just me that is underwhelmed with the EH proposed trade?

I asked on their board, they weren't very complimentary about him.
But Keefes disposal is quite poor, he surely is an upgrade on that aspect.

 

[Orange crush]

Just me that is underwhelmed with the EH proposed trade?

what have we got this year? 6, 15, 54 and some junk.

An upgrade on Keefe for pick 54 (or the junk). Kingsley must see potential in the guy, and a shift of club with a limited but well-defined role could be the making of him.

 

[Orange Agent]

2 years ago they loved him. His 2022 stats are pretty good, played 11, kicked 4 twice. I have no idea why he only played 3 games this year, they went small with Rankine and Rachele, so perhaps there was a shift in game plan that pushed him out.

 

[Giant Pete]

2 years ago they loved him. His 2022 stats are pretty good, played 11, kicked 4 twice. I have no idea why he only played 3 games this year, they went small with Rankine and Rachele, so perhaps there was a shift in game plan that pushed him out.

Thilthorpe will always be in front of him.

 

[PaythePerryman]

2 years ago they loved him. His 2022 stats are pretty good, played 11, kicked 4 twice. I have no idea why he only played 3 games this year, they went small with Rankine and Rachele, so perhaps there was a shift in game plan that pushed him out.

He's still only 25 right?

We figured out Hogan and Riccardi (kinda)

I'd back us to turn him into a decent role player...he'll be coming into a team he know he can win in....there's nothing more motivating than that.

Does make me wonder about what Cadman and Gruzewski will be looking at in 2024

 

[Orange crush]

He's still only 25 right?

We figured out Hogan and Riccardi (kinda)

I'd back us to turn him into a decent role player...he'll be coming into a team he know he can win in....there's nothing more motivating than that.

Does make me wonder about what Cadman and Gruzewski will be looking at in 2024

He's a more mature body ... I doubt he's a long term option ahead of those guys ... more a stop gap

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Asking for a friend, any chance mummy is open to having new tenants in his granny flat ..

 

[sydney_gws]

I doubt we get involved.
I don't claim to know who is a good fit, there are lots of rumours about his 10 week injury.
Maybe Swans if Maclean or Papley want to go to Melbourne.

 

[Hendo_21]

Asking for a friend, any chance mummy is open to having new tenants in his granny flat ..

Not sure there's anything I wouldn't trade, both firsts this year and next years first, Finn and Cadman as well. Wouldn't trade all of those things but some combo of that I'd be prepared to do, obviously would do my best to not include our top tier assets but if it came down to it and Oliver wanted to do it, I'd be willing to put together a package involving some of those guys. Guys like Oliver just do not come around very often and especially if for some reason he wanted to come up here would move a whole heap for him

 

[Teeso]

Not sure there's anything I wouldn't trade, both firsts this year and next years first, Finn and Cadman as well. Wouldn't trade all of those things but some combo of that I'd be prepared to do, obviously would do my best to not include our top tier assets but if it came down to it and Oliver wanted to do it, I'd be willing to put together a package involving some of those guys. Guys like Oliver just do not come around very often and especially if for some reason he wanted to come up here would move a whole heap for him

I think if we do try to tempt Melbourne, it won't be using Finn or Cadman. We had Taranto/Hopper previously who were great inside mids. Clayton, albeit a better version of them, at the expense of Finn would at least in my opinion take us back to our one-paced, contested Leon Cameron model. Personally, his cost would be too high, both in terms of trade and salary.

We need that burst acceleration and ball use in the middle, Finn epitomises that and only starting to see the tip of the icberg with his ability. I would hold onto him at all costs. That said, Green needs support with clearance work in the middle. Finn may develop his inside game further and Cogs/Kelly can do that rover role but may mean we target Sanders if available at our pick.

Also of note, we have a hole in tall defenders (after the delisting of Fleeton) if Keefe retires and Haynes is traded/listed as a tactical sub. Leaves Leek as our only 2nd string tall defender. Maybe means Elliot Himmelberg is used as a defender in VFL and a forward in AFL but as a player that is struggling with form, can't imagine the inconsistency in position helping with that. Makes O'Sullivan very appealing in the draft too given we can develop him under the tutelage of Taylor/Bucks/Idun/HH + Haynes and a cohesive defensive system.

If we don't trade for any other players beside EH (personally still think Wicks would be a cheap role player steal since remains OOC, a rookie-listed player and already living in Sydney), any combination of 2 from Watson/Sanders/O'Sullivan/Wilson would be a sublime draft. More likely outcome we only get 1 though haha.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Not sure there's anything I wouldn't trade, both firsts this year and next years first, Finn and Cadman as well. Wouldn't trade all of those things but some combo of that I'd be prepared to do, obviously would do my best to not include our top tier assets but if it came down to it and Oliver wanted to do it, I'd be willing to put together a package involving some of those guys. Guys like Oliver just do not come around very often and especially if for some reason he wanted to come up here would move a whole heap for him

Personally under no circumstances would I put Finn on the trade table. But OK with the other options you put forward.

But if we were to have a chance to get Oliver we would definitely need to move Haynes so we can free up that cash.

 

[Hendo_21]

Personally under no circumstances would I put Finn on the trade table. But OK with the other options you put forward.

But if we were to have a chance to get Oliver we would definitely need to move Haynes so we can free up that cash.

I love Finn as much as the next guy and would of course do everything to ensure he wouldn't get moved but if it came down it I'd move him, there's a very real chance that Finn never gets near the level of player that Oliver is, when healthy this is a guy that is in the mix for the Brownlow and has already won club BNF multiple times some of those in really good performing sides, voted by the coaches twice as the best player in the competition. GWS need to see themselves as a team that can win the flag next year and Oliver would no doubt be more ready to contribute then Finn would be able to next year, we're probably 1 mid short from where we want to be and Oliver would help fix that issue. He's also only 26, there is is still 5+ years of top level play for him still to go. This is a pro Oliver post and not so much an anti-Finn post.

 

[sydney_gws]

Personally under no circumstances would I put Finn on the trade table. But OK with the other options you put forward.

But if we were to have a chance to get Oliver we would definitely need to move Haynes so we can free up that cash.

I assume they want a forward.
Would we offer 6 ,Riccardi for Oliver.
I don't think his trade value should be super super high because his career is more than half over.
I haven't done it yet, but I would look at Ablett, Judd, Selwood, Dangerfield, Fyfe, Martin to see what % of there career brownlow votes came in their first 8 seasons. I think about 60% of them in most cases ( ablett probably the exception).

Of our current list, his trade value would be less than Tom Greens, more than Toby due to age only.

 

[Hendo_21]

I assume they want a forward.
Would we offer 6 ,Riccardi for Oliver.
I don't think his trade value should be super super high because his career is more than half over.
I haven't done it yet, but I would look at Ablett, Judd, Selwood, Dangerfield, Fyfe, Martin to see what % of there career brownlow votes came in their first 8 seasons. I think about 60% of them in most cases ( ablett probably the exception).

Of our current list, his trade value would be less than Tom Greens, more than Toby due to age only.

Half over?? He's only 26, there is still so much elite footy ahead of him. If it was Riccardi, 6 and either this year's first or next year's first I'd definitely do that. We just saw in our only first year under Kingsley basically playing half a season of good footy that we can compete with all the best teams in the comp we can't be looking at this team anymore as a contender 2 or 3 years down the line, we can go out and compete for a flag next year and if that means sacrificing some picks or younger players then we have to do that. This entire comp is to win a flag and if we're not trying to do that then I'm not sure what we're doing.

 

[sydney_gws]

Half over?? He's only 26, there is still so much elite footy ahead of him. If it was Riccardi, 6 and either this year's first or next year's first I'd definitely do that. We just saw in our only first year under Kingsley basically playing half a season of good footy that we can compete with all the best teams in the comp we can't be looking at this team anymore as a contender 2 or 3 years down the line, we can go out and compete for a flag next year and if that means sacrificing some picks or younger players then we have to do that. This entire comp is to win a flag and if we're not trying to do that then I'm not sure what we're doing.

I am not advocating it, but I think it would have to include a player on a decent contract to offset Oliver's incoming salary. If they agreed to take Haynes that helps a bit, but might not be enough.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Our 'long' and 'overpriced' contracts looking pretty good ATM. Cogs, Kelly, Whitfield all fired this year.

Haynes money is probably the only question mark but he's been an incredible servant to the club and I don't think his story is over just yet.

 

[Hendo_21]

Our 'long' and 'overpriced' contracts looking pretty good ATM. Cogs, Kelly, Whitfield all fired this year.

Haynes money is probably the only question mark but he's been an incredible servant to the club and I don't think his story is over just yet.

Think all of our long deals have been a successs? Think if presented with the chance to do them all again we probably would, 1.5 down years from Haynes at the end doesn't deter me too much from everything else he's delivered

 

[PMBangers]

You know who would be a better ruck/fwd option than Elliott Himmelberg

34

Elliott Himmelberg

Age

26

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

? Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

31

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.6

3star

 

[Orange crush]

You know who would be a better ruck/fwd option than Elliott Himmelberg? Rory Lobb

Not on 700k a year

 

[gee whiz giant]

I love Finn as much as the next guy and .....This is a pro Oliver post and not so much an anti-Finn post.

What Finn has over Oliver is precision kicking. Oliver is great with his hands, but his bomb kicking detracts: hence, I feel he's a tad over-rated. But we do need to replace Wardy this year or next.

 

[Hendo_21]

What Finn has over Oliver is precision kicking. Oliver is great with his hands, but his bomb kicking detracts: hence, I feel he's a tad over-rated. But we do need to replace Wardy this year or next.

Oliver has already been voted the best player in the competition by the coaches in 2 seperate seasons, if Finn ever wins one of those that'd be incredible but this is a chance to get a guy that's already done it twice and has so much good footy ahead of him. The last midfield rotation spot think has to be addressed, Ward still had plenty of solid games but was also subbed out of the prelim and looked out of place in a few others, at the moment the only avenue internally for that to be upgraded is Rowston improving pretty significantly which is not fair to expect.

 

[Lore]

Hello Giants fans!

The embedded resources below are kept up to date by the trade board mods (as much as possible – we are human after all). Enjoy!

Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

Giant Strides you may like to sticky this post, move it to the start of the thread (so the sticky post doesn't rotate if a post is deleted before it).

 

[Giant Pete]

We definitely do not need Oliver. He would detract from Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

. It would unbalance our midfield.
Not good for our context.

 

[Orange crush]

Flynny off to the eagels on Friday ... hope its 6 years at 800k

 

[Giant YoYo]