List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Danny88]

Was thinking the same, mate. I'd give him a go if he was prepared to put the work in ...and get a haircut

He can clearly play

Even as the sub he brought energy and goal smarts

He loves the big stage …. I suppose it comes down to what does he want more? Anonymity during the week or a big crowd on a Saturday?

 

[Orange Agent]

I think where the list is at culture wise with re-signings and buy in, Lobb would be a mistake. Fantasia is an odd one, medicos had a very good year, they would have to be exceptional next year to make this one work.

 

[domologue]

He can clearly play

Even as the sub he brought energy and goal smarts

He loves the big stage …. I suppose it comes down to what does he want more? Anonymity during the week or a big crowd on a Saturday?

Maybe he can sign, but only if he wins an arm wrestle with Kingers...

Or passes some kind of good vibes challenge/bootcamp.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Maybe he can sign, but only if he wins an arm wrestle with Kingers...

Or passes some kind of good vibes challenge/bootcamp.

No one's winning that.

 

[Orange crush]

Such a dull trade period … nice there’s no exodus from us, but I’d love a bit of GWS welcome …..

 

[Orange crush]

**** it, pick 6 for Tom Lynch. Who’s on board?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Danny88]

I wouldn't profess to be nearly as good but so far I would guess:

1- NM Reid
2- WC Mckercher
3- WC Curtain
4- WB Watson
5- Hawks Duursma
6- Melb Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan ???
7- GWS Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan/Wilson ????

I have left out Read and walter to try keep it simpler visually.

If it fell that way then we likely walk with sanders. I wouldn't be opposed to wilson either as he has high quality attributes that could help us too.

What do you think?

 

[PaythePerryman]

I wouldn't profess to be nearly as good but so far I would guess:

1- NM Reid
2- WC Mckercher
3- WC Curtain
4- WB Watson
5- Hawks Duursma
6- Melb Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan ???
7- GWS Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan/Wilson ????

I have left out Read and walter to try keep it simpler visually.

If it fell that way then we likely walk with sanders. I wouldn't be opposed to wilson either as he has high quality attributes that could help us too.

What do you think?

Yeah that looks about right to me. I'm taking Sanders or Caddy there (in that order).
Sanders only knock would be that I'm still worried about the Tassie thing. Caddy, we probably have enough emerging forwards but if we train him up as an oversized mid I don't the it. His leading patterns look really strong in the highlights

 

[Giant Strides]

I wouldn't profess to be nearly as good but so far I would guess:

1- NM Reid
2- WC Mckercher
3- WC Curtain
4- WB Watson
5- Hawks Duursma
6- Melb Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan ???
7- GWS Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan/Wilson ????

I have left out Read and walter to try keep it simpler visually.

If it fell that way then we likely walk with sanders. I wouldn't be opposed to wilson either as he has high quality attributes that could help us too.

What do you think?

Hawks pick before Bulldogs; but I have it likely the same outcome, with the Demons & Giants having the same options at their picks.

Given their goal-scoring woes, Demons should take Caddy, but the other 2 are clear options and could go any of them really.

I'd have Sanders and O'Sullivan as our clear choices ahead of Caddy, especially if we go get EH (or even Lobb).

 

[Orange crush]

Hawks pick before Bulldogs; but I have it likely the same outcome, with the Demons & Giants having the same options at their picks.

Given their goal-scoring woes, Demons should take Caddy, but the other 2 are clear options and could go any of them really.

I'd have Sanders and O'Sullivan as our clear choices ahead of Caddy, especially if we go get EH (or even Lobb).

Geez Sanders is nicely built already …. He’d be getting games next year you’d think

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[PMBangers]

Yeah that looks about right to me. I'm taking Sanders or Caddy there (in that order).
Sanders only knock would be that I'm still worried about the Tassie thing. Caddy, we probably have enough emerging forwards but if we train him up as an oversized mid I don't the it. His leading patterns look really strong in the highlights

Sanders has been living away from Tassie for about 24 months now, of all the Tassie guys he's the least likely to suffer any go home urges, but in general I don't think any of the tassie guys are super keen on the idea of going back in their early 20s, most are keen to get out ASAP.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Tall defender Connor O'Sullivan is expected to be in the next group and could be an option for Greater Western Sydney with its top-10 pick. – Callum Twomey

Port forward has medical, Pies mid to stay, Roos made to wait

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

 

[Brave New World]

I wouldn't profess to be nearly as good but so far I would guess:

1- NM Reid
2- WC Mckercher
3- WC Curtain
4- WB Watson
5- Hawks Duursma
6- Melb Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan ???
7- GWS Sanders/Caddy/ O'sullivan/Wilson ????

I have left out Read and walter to try keep it simpler visually.

If it fell that way then we likely walk with sanders. I wouldn't be opposed to wilson either as he has high quality attributes that could help us too.

What do you think?

From this arvo’s News Corp. Take it for what it’s worth:

“The Eagles have settled on Reid as their clear top target and were left impressed by his interview at the draft combine last week, with some likening his presence to Hawthorn champion Luke Hodge.

North Melbourne received pick 3 as free agency compensation for the departure of full-back Ben McKay to Essendon on Tuesday, giving the Roos a huge arsenal of draft picks, including 2, 3, 15 and 21 to strike a deal with West Coast.

But any hopes the Roos had of securing pick 1 have taken a hit as the Eagles look unlikely to cough it up unless North hands over picks 2 and 3 in return, setting a high bar for one of the biggest trades of the post-season.

That asking price could be too steep for the Kangaroos, who are believed to be looking at line-breaking left-footer Colby McKercher at pick 2 and dangerous goalkicking midfielder Zane Duursma at pick 3, according to recruiters.

It means Hawthorn could snare speedy small forward Nick Watson at pick 4, the Western Bulldogs snap up jet midfielder Ryley Sanders at pick 5, and Melbourne could look at forward Nate Caddy or key defender Daniel Curtin at pick 6.

There is a belief Western Australian Curtin could be sliding down clubs’ draft orders, meaning the Giants face the prospect of landing Curtin if he falls as far as pick 7.....

Recruiting sources on Tuesday said it seemed likely West Coast would keep pick 1 rather than trade it out, unless North parted with picks 2 and 3 in one of the biggest pick swaps in AFL trade history......

The Eagles want to take Reid in the belief he is a generational talent and someone they could not pass up after two years down the bottom of the ladder.

Reid told the Eagles he would have no problems moving interstate to play AFL.

North Melbourne already has a stack of first-round players in the engine room including brilliant ballwinners Harry Sheezel, who won a best and fairest in his first year, hard nut George Wardlaw, Luke Davies-Uniacke, pick three Will Phillips, slick prime mover Tarryn Thomas and goal kicker Jaidyn Stephenson.”

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[PaythePerryman]

Sanders has been living away from Tassie for about 24 months now, of all the Tassie guys he's the least likely to suffer any go home urges, but in general I don't think any of the tassie guys are super keen on the idea of going back in their early 20s, most are keen to get out ASAP.

True.
One Ryley Sanders please.

 

[Danny88]

From this arvo’s News Corp. Take it for what it’s worth:

“The Eagles have settled on Reid as their clear top target and were left impressed by his interview at the draft combine last week, with some likening his presence to Hawthorn champion Luke Hodge.

North Melbourne received pick 3 as free agency compensation for the departure of full-back Ben McKay to Essendon on Tuesday, giving the Roos a huge arsenal of draft picks, including 2, 3, 15 and 21 to strike a deal with West Coast.

But any hopes the Roos had of securing pick 1 have taken a hit as the Eagles look unlikely to cough it up unless North hands over picks 2 and 3 in return, setting a high bar for one of the biggest trades of the post-season.

That asking price could be too steep for the Kangaroos, who are believed to be looking at line-breaking left-footer Colby McKercher at pick 2 and dangerous goalkicking midfielder Zane Duursma at pick 3, according to recruiters.

It means Hawthorn could snare speedy small forward Nick Watson at pick 4, the Western Bulldogs snap up jet midfielder Ryley Sanders at pick 5, and Melbourne could look at forward Nate Caddy or key defender Daniel Curtin at pick 6.

There is a belief Western Australian Curtin could be sliding down clubs’ draft orders, meaning the Giants face the prospect of landing Curtin if he falls as far as pick 7.....

Recruiting sources on Tuesday said it seemed likely West Coast would keep pick 1 rather than trade it out, unless North parted with picks 2 and 3 in one of the biggest pick swaps in AFL trade history......

The Eagles want to take Reid in the belief he is a generational talent and someone they could not pass up after two years down the bottom of the ladder.

Reid told the Eagles he would have no problems moving interstate to play AFL.

North Melbourne already has a stack of first-round players in the engine room including brilliant ballwinners Harry Sheezel, who won a best and fairest in his first year, hard nut George Wardlaw, Luke Davies-Uniacke, pick three Will Phillips, slick prime mover Tarryn Thomas and goal kicker Jaidyn Stephenson.”

Tbh I just assumed wc would move heaven and earth to make sure curtin got there so I have never realistically considered him

My confusion seems to be what he is? Is he a tall defender? A midfielder? A forward? Sounds very Tomlinson

 

[captainMyCaptain]

From this arvo’s News Corp. Take it for what it’s worth:

“The Eagles have settled on Reid as their clear top target and were left impressed by his interview at the draft combine last week, with some likening his presence to Hawthorn champion Luke Hodge.

North Melbourne received pick 3 as free agency compensation for the departure of full-back Ben McKay to Essendon on Tuesday, giving the Roos a huge arsenal of draft picks, including 2, 3, 15 and 21 to strike a deal with West Coast.

But any hopes the Roos had of securing pick 1 have taken a hit as the Eagles look unlikely to cough it up unless North hands over picks 2 and 3 in return, setting a high bar for one of the biggest trades of the post-season.

That asking price could be too steep for the Kangaroos, who are believed to be looking at line-breaking left-footer Colby McKercher at pick 2 and dangerous goalkicking midfielder Zane Duursma at pick 3, according to recruiters.

It means Hawthorn could snare speedy small forward Nick Watson at pick 4, the Western Bulldogs snap up jet midfielder Ryley Sanders at pick 5, and Melbourne could look at forward Nate Caddy or key defender Daniel Curtin at pick 6.

There is a belief Western Australian Curtin could be sliding down clubs’ draft orders, meaning the Giants face the prospect of landing Curtin if he falls as far as pick 7.....

Recruiting sources on Tuesday said it seemed likely West Coast would keep pick 1 rather than trade it out, unless North parted with picks 2 and 3 in one of the biggest pick swaps in AFL trade history......

The Eagles want to take Reid in the belief he is a generational talent and someone they could not pass up after two years down the bottom of the ladder.

Reid told the Eagles he would have no problems moving interstate to play AFL.

North Melbourne already has a stack of first-round players in the engine room including brilliant ballwinners Harry Sheezel, who won a best and fairest in his first year, hard nut George Wardlaw, Luke Davies-Uniacke, pick three Will Phillips, slick prime mover Tarryn Thomas and goal kicker Jaidyn Stephenson.”

A lot can obviously change in the coming weeks but at this stage it looks like it might be a choice between Curtain or O'Sullivan.

 

[Mors]

I keep seeing Curtin touted as a half-back / tall defender, if we pick him up would we try to move him to midfield or wing? We just recently moved Fleeton on for what I'm assuming is an inability to slot him into our backline​

 

[Teeso]

I keep seeing Curtin touted as a half-back / tall defender, if we pick him up would we try to move him to midfield or wing? We just recently moved Fleeton on for what I'm assuming is an inability to slot him into our backline​

He looks very composed with ball in hand and has good vision/kicking skills for a key position height player. His 20m massage kick in between defence and into forward 50 is low and directed. Rare in a player with the height of a key position player. Appears technically a much more assured kick compared to Taylor or Buckley. His smooth movement, height, vision and stoppage work make it a tempting comparison to the Bont, though his acceleration feels less Callaghan and more Tomlinson-esque (at least from a quick look at his highlight reel).

His vision and kicking alone lead me to believe he would be a better player than Tommo.

However, to me his biggest strength is his positioning and intercept marking. I would look to develop him in defence especially at the start of his career. If he settles well and we need a bigger body in the middle, wouldn't be opposed to testing him out there after.

Would undoubtedly be the pick if he falls to us.

 

[Hendo_21]

Phil and Josh Jenkins

11

Josh Jenkins

Age

35

Ht

200cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.1

4star

HB

3.8

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.6

5star

did a GWS list review on trade radio and Phil basically said near the end he thinks we'll target a midfielder in the draft, said a couple times that depth behind the first 4 is probably something that needs to be looked at. Guess by that logic Sanders would be the top target.

 

[Danny88]

Phil and Josh Jenkins did a GWS list review on trade radio and Phil basically said near the end he thinks we'll target a midfielder in the draft, said a couple times that depth behind the first 4 is probably something that needs to be looked at. Guess by that logic Sanders would be the top target.

And if sanders is gone? Wilson?

 

[Hendo_21]

And if sanders is gone? Wilson?

Yeah really like Wilson as a backup option, genuine goal kicking ability, tested really well at the combine the other day, best running vertical leap of anyone that tested, top 10 standing vertical leap and agility test and then also second best for 2km, think there's also plenty of examples of him using realy good touch on his kicks choosing to chip it in at times to allow the lead to run right into space to mark it.

 

[Giant Pete]

Yeah really like Wilson as a backup option, genuine goal kicking ability, tested really well at the combine the other day, best running vertical leap of anyone that tested, top 10 standing vertical leap and agility test and then also second best for 2km, think there's also plenty of examples of him using realy good touch on his kicks choosing to chip it in at times to allow the lead to run right into space to mark it.

What’s his first name?