List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Orange Agent]

Might sign a DFA. Unlikely Kenners gets a game unless there is a stack of injuries.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Might sign a DFA. Unlikely Kenners gets a game unless there is a stack of injuries.

Would certainly make more sense than maintaining pick 77, and might be the move we need to make to get Fantasia.

 

[Giant Strides]

Yep, DFA was the only thing I could think of to make sense.

 

[PMBangers]

Possibly opening up the list spot to take one of Harvey Thomas or Charlie McCormack in the national draft and the other as a Cat B is another option

 

[Bjo187]

Possibly opening up the list spot to take one of Harvey Thomas or Charlie McCormack in the national draft and the other as a Cat B is another option

I really liked McCormack in the national championships. I'm surprised I haven't heard his name more in draft discussions.

 

[PMBangers]

I really liked McCormack in the national championships. I'm surprised I haven't heard his name more in draft discussions.

Forwards that don't do anything outside of kick goals aren't typically spoken of highly

 

[Giant Pete]

Would certainly make more sense than maintaining pick 77, and might be the move we need to make to get Fantasia.

He’s gone to Carlton

 

[Colonial]

 

[Giant Strides]

Possibly opening up the list spot to take one of Harvey Thomas or Charlie McCormack in the national draft and the other as a Cat B is another option

We could have just listed one to the Cat B Rookie list & if not selected in the ND the other one to Cat A Rookie list. Didn't need to delist Kennedy.

Unless we're covering matching a late bid to allow one to be added to the main list. (Though I would have thought with the previous plan to take Fantasia that we'd be prepared to miss out on ... presumably Harvey Thomas as the more likely to be bid on.)

 

[Bjo187]

Forwards that don't do anything outside of kick goals aren't typically spoken of highly

Yeah, it's a pretty cool trick to have though.

 

[PMBangers]

Yeah, it's a pretty good trick to have though.

I very truly hope he turns into our Nick Larkey

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Unlikely Kenners gets a game unless there is a stack of injuries.

everyone keeps saying that every year - and every year (barring injuries) he does.

I know the dynamic has changed and the team has somewhat settled but right up to the announcement of the team for round 1 last year, the only people who had Kenners as best 22 were the coaches & the match selection committee - and they’re the ones that count.

31 is not old. And I still have him (even with 2 knee recos) ahead of Angwin, Hamilton, Wehr, Stone, McMullin, Fahey, Peatling etc. who are all there or there abouts in that 19-26 slot.

every year he has been underestimated and undervalued - you’d think after a straight decade of the same thing happening at least some people may have learnt.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

He’s a mate kenners and it’s been bloody hard watching his bad luck.
But he’s bloody immensely valued by that footy club for good reason.

 

[Giant Strides]

He’s a mate kenners and it’s been bloody hard watching his bad luck.
But he’s bloody immensely valued by that footy club for good reason.

Yeah, he's had some tough injuries over the years. But always has put his body on the line. 153 games (so far!) is a great achievement. Great club man, and beloved by the fans - even if a little underestimated as discussed above!

His injury this year pissed me off - there was no need for the hit, he had already disposed of the ball and was out of play.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Yeah, he's had some tough injuries over the years. But always has put his body on the line. 153 games (so far!) is a great achievement. Great club man, and beloved by the fans - even if a little underestimated as discussed above!

His injury this year pissed me off - there was no need for the hit, he had already disposed of the ball and was out of play.

Absolutely!
I can assure you his mates from in the day lit up our chat groups.
How the **** do all these little incidents get reviewed but not that?
Was a disgrace.

 

[gee whiz giant]

And I still have him (even with 2 knee recos) ahead of Angwin, Hamilton, Wehr, Stone, McMullin, Fahey, Peatling etc. who are all there or there abouts in that 19-26 slot.

Just confirming, '24 is a big year for Connor Stone. Josh Fahey is breathing down his neck.

 

[GWS Goose]

After consultation (but by no means does this represent the opinions of other WCE supporters) it seems like the only option that would piss supporters of both teams off is this
GWS
OUT: 7,15,F1,
IN: F1,F3

On this year’s ladder its
7,15 and 15 for 1 and 37.

Deal or no deal?

my issue is that I think WCE are a little better than how they finished.

 

[eaglevision]

my issue is that I think WCE are a little better than how they finished.

Geez blast from the past! Really? We were pretty average and just lost Shuey and Hurn (NN didn’t play anyway). I don’t think I’d do that deal anymore. GWS looking to offload the pick? I reckon Caddy or Curtin is likely to be available.

 

[GWS Goose]

Geez blast from the past! Really? We were pretty average and just lost Shuey and Hurn (NN didn’t play anyway). I don’t think I’d do that deal anymore. GWS looking to offload the pick? I reckon Caddy or Curtin is likely to be available.

Ive been on holiday catching up

 

[GWS Goose]

everyone keeps saying that every year - and every year (barring injuries) he does.

I know the dynamic has changed and the team has somewhat settled but right up to the announcement of the team for round 1 last year, the only people who had Kenners as best 22 were the coaches & the match selection committee - and they’re the ones that count.

31 is not old. And I still have him (even with 2 knee recos) ahead of Angwin, Hamilton, Wehr, Stone, McMullin, Fahey, Peatling etc. who are all there or there abouts in that 19-26 slot.

every year he has been underestimated and undervalued - you’d think after a straight decade of the same thing happening at least some people may have learnt.

I get what you are saying, but every year, we have had injuries too.

Kenners (when fit) sits either just inside the best 22, or just outside. players like that usually get a lot of games most years, especially if they are versatile.

With Kennedy, at least you know he'll play his role and give 100%. You cant ask for much more than that.

I reckon this year, it'll be the same as most other years, he is probably going to miss out if everyone is available, but he'll probably get quite a few games a long the way.

 

[sydney_gws]

my issue is that I think WCE are a little better than how they finished.

I think to much in eagles favour, by a long way.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[PaythePerryman]

Damn...now I have to listen to that show

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Damn...now I have to listen to that show

Probably the best thing to hear was that none of the top guys were keen on are seen as a flight risk.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Probably the best thing to hear was that none of the top guys were keen on are seen as a flight risk.

Made me think he has someone in that top 8-9 group that isn't a consensus top pick