List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[PMBangers]

Did we just fluff that?
It feels like we fluffed that.

The only real gripe you can have is that we essentially moved our picks for nothing given we omtraded the Crow Future 2nd rounder, but we got the players we were prioritising

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Where's it coming from that North would've swooped in on Gothard, is that reported anywhere?

Was mentioned by Riley Beveridge on the AFL.com coverage of the draft

 

[Orange crush]

The only real gripe you can have is that we essentially moved our picks for nothing given we omtraded the Crow Future 2nd rounder, but we got the players we were prioritising

It looks like we rated gothard highest and didn’t mind trading back a little for him, then were surprised leake was available so traded to get him

 

[Mors]

Essentially we got the players we were expecting, just in a roundabout way. There could be arguments made that we could've got more for the Curtin pick but I think we did alright

 

[PaythePerryman]

The only real gripe you can have is that we essentially moved our picks for nothing given we omtraded the Crow Future 2nd rounder, but we got the players we were prioritising

My gripe is we went with the wrong players. I understand not getting Curtin...but why not trade for Futures.
I'll almost certainly eat my words here but I'm not in love with our picks tonight.

 

[Andre the Giant]

This ended up my highlight of the evening.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

So you’ve just been selected by Geelong, given your jumper by club legend Joel Selwood, with his number no less, and you’re there chatting to the great man and then the next selection is read out…

 

[Hendo_21]

Was mentioned by Riley Beveridge on the AFL.com coverage of the draft

Interesting! Media consensus a bit lower on him then clubs were, move makes a lot more sense then

 

[Teeso]

My gripe is we went with the wrong players. I understand not getting Curtin...but why not trade for Futures.
I'll almost certainly eat my words here but I'm not in love with our picks tonight.

I think I would be more at peace if we chose Leake at 10 and traded up to Wilson at 13. Gothard is a very typical GWS pick tbf but with McMullin, Jones, Peatling and arguably Stone developing alongside O'Halloran, Brown, Greene, Daniels and Bedford, the small forward role is probably not the go with our top pick. Not sure how far down the pecking order Phoenix would sit amongst that list.

With only Angwin and Wehr as wingers developing (neither of whom have really announced themselves), Wilson alongside Leake would have given us a more balanced list. Also helps us have the option to move Finn into the rover role in the next few years.

Can only see how the two boys develop now though. Hopefully both excel in our system

 

[Hendo_21]

I think I would be more at peace if we chose Leake at 10 and traded up to Wilson at 13. Gothard is a very typical GWS pick tbf but with McMullin, Jones, Peatling and arguably Stone developing alongside O'Halloran, Brown, Greene, Daniels and Bedford, the small forward role is probably not the go with our top pick. Not sure how far down the pecking order Phoenix would sit amongst that list.

With only Angwin and Wehr as wingers developing (neither of whom have really announced themselves), Wilson alongside Leake would have given us a more balanced list. Also helps us have the option to move Finn into the rover role in the next few years.

Can only see how the two boys develop now though. Hopefully both excel in our system

Not sure Stone still deserves to be getting discussed as a long-term piece for us, if it clicks for him great and it's been tough on him with all his injuries but ultimately he has to perform and so far he hasn't. Peatling is also fairly expendable once Jones, Leake, McMullin and Goth all develop. Little bit surprised they doubled up on forwards so inside the top 20 but there could be scope for Leake to be more of an on-baller long term which I assume will be explored quite a bit in the 2s.

 

[Danny88]

My gripe is we went with the wrong players. I understand not getting Curtin...but why not trade for Futures.
I'll almost certainly eat my words here but I'm not in love with our picks tonight.

I suppose there needs to be interest from other clubs to let go of their first too though

 

[GWS Goose]

I'm happy.
Had we just picked Leake at 7 and Gothard with 16 (ignoring bids) we'd have been happy with the haul.
We got those 2 Inna very complicated way. But got there none the less.
Did we trade our 2nd or Adelaide 's second

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I'm happy.
Had we just picked Leake at 7 and Gothard with 16 (ignoring bids) we'd have been happy with the haul.
We got those 2 Inna very complicated way. But got there none the less.
Did we trade our 2nd or Adelaide 's second

Apparently Adelaide’s

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Mors]

I'm happy.
Had we just picked Leake at 7 and Gothard with 16 (ignoring bids) we'd have been happy with the haul.
We got those 2 Inna very complicated way. But got there none the less.
Did we trade our 2nd or Adelaide 's second

Exactly my thoughts. Even in Twomey's phantom draft that was what we were getting, we just went about it in a roundabout way. The only downside is having to give back that F2 from adelaide to avoid the saints from getting Leake, but that F2 is likely to be late thirties to early forties, so it isn't a massive loss

 

[dlanod]

So you’ve just been selected by Geelong, given your jumper by club legend Joel Selwood, with his number no less, and you’re there chatting to the great man and then the next selection is read out…

I was wondering why the guy giving Phoenix the draft shirt had a Geelong jumper lying around to change into...

 

[Danny88]

So tonight do we target an inside mid? Key back to develop?

Or move on to the academy?

 

[Andre the Giant]

10 hours on and with the information that’s coming out I’m even more surprised by our strategy.

Honestly the moves we made were so dumb.

Unless Gothard plays next year and makes a large contribution the decision to take him and the Adelaide deal over the West Coast deal is beyond stupid. Taking him so high and then panicking on the next pick to give up the small leverage

I get people wanting to feel good saying they are nice players and we would have picked them anyway, but there is strategy in this and make no mistake we come away looking like the dumbest people in the room.

That’s my last on this debacle.

 

[Hendo_21]

10 hours on and with the information that’s coming out I’m even more surprised by our strategy.

Honestly the moves we made were so dumb.

Unless Gothard plays next year and makes a large contribution the decision to take him and the Adelaide deal over the West Coast deal is beyond stupid. Taking him so high and then panicking on the next pick to give up the small leverage

I get people wanting to feel good saying they are nice players and we would have picked them anyway, but there is strategy in this and make no mistake we come away looking like the dumbest people in the room.

That’s my last on this debacle.

Seems like we had the chance to walk away with Leake and pick up the WC F1 and we opted for Gothard this year instead which I don't think is the right move, WC are very likely going to suck next year and it would've given us access to the top of a supposedly loaded midfield group next year. I really like Gothard and am definitely a fan but just don't think it was the right call to pass on that WC pick next year.

 

[Giant Pete]

10 hours on and with the information that’s coming out I’m even more surprised by our strategy.

Honestly the moves we made were so dumb.

Unless Gothard plays next year and makes a large contribution the decision to take him and the Adelaide deal over the West Coast deal is beyond stupid. Taking him so high and then panicking on the next pick to give up the small leverage

I get people wanting to feel good saying they are nice players and we would have picked them anyway, but there is strategy in this and make no mistake we come away looking like the dumbest people in the room.

That’s my last on this debacle.

Something that makes it hard for us on the outside is we don’t hear about all the offers that aren’t accepted.
For example, Essendon gave Geelong pick 31 to get one pick in front of them (go from pick 11 to pick 10). This wasn’t because Geelong were going to choose Caddy. It’s because another club was offering Geelong something not as juicy to get that pick and take Caddy.
But we never hear what Geelong knocked back.
It would be the same with our selections. There would have been at least one club trying to get in front of us to get Gothard.

 

[gee whiz giant]

Once the players are in pre-season training, their respective draft number is immaterial.
Caruso targetted those 2 and succeeded.
James Leake will keep Isaac Cumming

13

Isaac Cumming

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

MG

158.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

158.0

3star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.6

4star

and Harry Perryman

36

Harry Perryman

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

216.2

3star

D

18.5

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

301.3

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

83.2

2star

honest, Gothard will do the same for the small forward fleet.
How do they rate last years pick Max G? Will they pick a taller forward tonight?

 

[dlanod]

Was the West Coast deal on the table as rumoured? Given how much expectation there was about them trading out of pick 1, I don't entirely trust rumours about West Coast this year.

Wouldn't surprise me if a deal, if there was one, was going to require sending more back - if we're all on here thinking it's too good to be true in the lead up, surely even West Coast would agree.

 

[Battlepants]

I really don't understand the people complaining here.

We moved our 2 first round picks around (trading Adelaide's F2 in and back out in the process) and got exactly the players we wanted while giving up nothing in return.

Not sure how that can be seen as anything but a success.

 

[Mors]

Was the West Coast deal on the table as rumoured? Given how much expectation there was about them trading out of pick 1, I don't entirely trust rumours about West Coast this year.

Wouldn't surprise me if a deal, if there was one, was going to require sending more back - if we're all on here thinking it's too good to be true in the lead up, surely even West Coast would agree.

I think some people were floating WC F1 + something small for 7 + 16 or 7 + F1, which is not a great deal for us

 

[Andre the Giant]

I really don't understand the people complaining here.

We moved our 2 first round picks around (trading Adelaide's F2 in and back out in the process) and got exactly the players we wanted while giving up nothing in return.

Not sure how that can be seen as anything but a success.

Because we could have gotten those two players regardless but we were placed in a privileged position where there was competition for our pick and could have extracted a lot more out of the situation.

WCE did offer a straight swap (my mail) and were stunned we didn’t take it and mildly surprised Adelaide (given they have more list holes) didn’t bite either.

Leake was our projected first choice, he didn’t get selected by any team after that first pick which suggests we valued him more than others. St Kilda were always taking Wilson but we panicked and gave up collateral which meant we came out of the night with no benefit. That future could have even been used tonight to grab one of the kids we were looking at.

From the vision Gothard looks a very Richmond style of player, zippy, twitchy and with a full pre season should improve. Leake looks versatile, good mark, solid citizen: no argument with the players, the talent evaluators know more than anyone but the process was completely botched.