2023 Hawthorn List Management Discussion (including Trade, FA period)

[HedgeFund]

With respect to Brown - he isn't part of our short term future, let alone our long term future.

You’d better give Sam and MM the heads up then because they officially added him to our train-on List, and he’s playing in the intraclub practice match. So he has the chance this week to get himself a lifeline as a SSP on Wednesday.

Why would they bother doing this if he wasn’t being seriously considered as part of our “short term future”?

Son of Pies great to trial with Hawks ahead of SSP deadline

The son of Pies great Gavin, Callum Brown is eyeing a spot on Hawthorn's list

www.afl.com.au

 

[peetoo]

No one here is saying Brown is a walk up start, how ever young bodies will tire easy. Could be handy as depth in a long season.

Can he play more than one role? If not he’s behind quite a few for mid spots. Lasting the season means rotations within games and across the season

That’s why Nash Maginness Wingard Moore Day CMac (there’s others) are valuable, both for their own spots and allowing young mids to get time in the seniors

 

[Judd2Sewell]

You’d better give Sam and MM the heads up then because they officially added him to our train-on List, and he’s playing in the intraclub practice match. So he has the chance this week to get himself a lifeline as a SSP on Wednesday.

Why would they bother doing this if he wasn’t being seriously considered as part of our “short term future”?

Son of Pies great to trial with Hawks ahead of SSP deadline

The son of Pies great Gavin, Callum Brown is eyeing a spot on Hawthorn's list

www.afl.com.au

I'll give him a call now

 

[theiaofseed]

You’d better give Sam and MM the heads up then because they officially added him to our train-on List, and he’s playing in the intraclub practice match. So he has the chance this week to get himself a lifeline as a SSP on Wednesday.

Why would they bother doing this if he wasn’t being seriously considered as part of our “short term future”?

Son of Pies great to trial with Hawks ahead of SSP deadline

The son of Pies great Gavin, Callum Brown is eyeing a spot on Hawthorn's list

www.afl.com.au

Give our young mids more mature bodies to train with during the preseason

 

[CHUBBSS]

I think I'm one of the only ones who wouldn't be disappointed with Brown. We fawn over guys that haven't played a game and talk about our current luck in the MSD for reasons we shouldn't pick him up.

It is very unlikely we are going to pick up another Newcombe in the MSD and Brown would arguably offer way more than anyone we could get a hand on later in the year.

He's got 70 odd games under his belt and just needs to put it together but he certainly has some skills and is in the perfect age demo to compete for a spot in the 22. We could legit bring in quality depth and you guys are complaining?

Remember teams still need balance and he comes in as our 2nd/3rd most experienced mid under Worps and Amon.

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I hear you but I would still risk it every single day of the week to get another Newcombe 2.0

 

[unitedhawk]

Interesting discussion on Callum Brown.

My input: Trust those who know best i.e. Sam and our coaching staff. They've proven they know what they're doing.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You’d better give Sam and MM the heads up then because they officially added him to our train-on List, and he’s playing in the intraclub practice match. So he has the chance this week to get himself a lifeline as a SSP on Wednesday.

Why would they bother doing this if he wasn’t being seriously considered as part of our “short term future”?

Son of Pies great to trial with Hawks ahead of SSP deadline

The son of Pies great Gavin, Callum Brown is eyeing a spot on Hawthorn's list

www.afl.com.au

While I think it’s highly unlikely that we put Brown on the list, if we do we’re pretty much admitting that we should’ve kept Howe.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Can he play more than one role? If not he’s behind quite a few for mid spots. Lasting the season means rotations within games and across the season

That’s why Nash Maginness Wingard Moore Day CMac (there’s others) are valuable, both for their own spots and allowing young mids to get time in the seniors

1 year dude as a back up, our elite come first.

 

[KermitJagger]

While I think it’s highly unlikely that we put Brown on the list, if we do we’re pretty much admitting that we should’ve kept Howe.

Though admittedly there's not much difference between the two, sometimes a new battler is better for the team than an old battler. I feel like these sort of depth player rotations happen more often than you'd think, and I'm genuinely not bothered as I don't see the 36th-ish position on the list is too vital to our long term success.

Maybe the fit is better? From all reports he seems popular.

 

[TylerDurden]

Though admittedly there's not much difference between the two, sometimes a new battler is better for the team than an old battler. I feel like these sort of depth player rotations happen more often than you'd think, and I'm genuinely not bothered as I don't see the 36th-ish position on the list is too vital to our long term success.

Maybe the fit is better? From all reports he seems popular.

Just sounds like another Tom Phillips pick to me. Pass.

 

[KermitJagger]

Just sounds like another Tom Phillips pick to me. Pass.

What does it matter? The chances of us miraculously uncovering another Newcombe in the MSD is tiny. What the club chooses to do with the last spot on the list is as uninteresting and unimportant to me as what they choose to do with the last pick in the draft.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

What does it matter? The chances of us miraculously uncovering another Newcombe in the MSD is tiny. What the club chooses to do with the last spot on the list is as uninteresting and unimportant to me as what they choose to do with the last pick in the draft.

That's a really odd way of looking at it.

 

[peetoo]

What does it matter? The chances of us miraculously uncovering another Newcombe in the MSD is tiny. What the club chooses to do with the last spot on the list is as uninteresting and unimportant to me as what they choose to do with the last pick in the draft.

Didn’t reeves and ramsden also arrive this way?

 

[HedgeFund]

What does it matter? The chances of us miraculously uncovering another Newcombe in the MSD is tiny. What the club chooses to do with the last spot on the list is as uninteresting and unimportant to me as what they choose to do with the last pick in the draft.

Mitch Lewis was our last pick in 2017

In 48 hours we will know if Callum is a Hawthorn Hawk, not just a Box Hill one. On the good bloke / character scale it sounds like he ticks the box.

I agree with what was mentioned earlier - the football department are no doubt aware / exposed to the real player / person and they will no doubt make a very informed decision (either way) as a result.

Either way he’s in brown and gold in 2023 and I wish him well.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

What does it matter? The chances of us miraculously uncovering another Newcombe in the MSD is tiny. What the club chooses to do with the last spot on the list is as uninteresting and unimportant to me as what they choose to do with the last pick in the draft.

I think the chances of us finding another player in the midseason draft, are still probably higher than the chances of us actually needing Brown on the list.

I’d much rather we kept the spot open and wait to see what players jump up from nowhere in other leagues.

 

[TylerDurden]

I think the chances of us finding another player in the midseason draft, probably higher than the chances of us actually meeting Brown on the list.

I’d much rather we kept the spot open and wait to see what players jump up from nowhere in other leagues.

This. You keep the spot open.

 

[TylerDurden]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-contract-news-free-agents-ben-mckay-harry-mckay-wait-on-possible-new-deals/news-story/c858517a294905bb586117681e329348

Snippet on Day putting talks on hold. Wants to show some form first.

 

[HedgeFund]

I think the chances of us finding another player in the midseason draft, are still probably higher than the chances of us actually needing Brown on the list.

I’d much rather we kept the spot open and wait to see what players jump up from nowhere in other leagues.

We had Newcombe and Blanck playing at BH before we took them in the MSD.

They were essentially known quantities present in our own system.

Callow has already returned to the SANFL. Ramsden remains to be seen if he’s going to develop into an elite level player.

Players aren’t really “jumping up from nowhere” in other leagues. The MSD hasn’t generated many other successful hits for the competition.

I’d say Ash Johnson (9 games for Coll.) Sam Durham (27 for Ess), Massimo D’Ambrosio (8 for Ess) Matt Parker (11 for Rich) and Cooper Sharman (5 for StK) are the only ones I can see who have played genuine senior minutes.

That’s 58 games played across 40 selections used.

Newcombe and Blanck together have played 38. We have been very fortunate in that regard in 2020/21.

 

[KermitJagger]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-contract-news-free-agents-ben-mckay-harry-mckay-wait-on-possible-new-deals/news-story/c858517a294905bb586117681e329348

Snippet on Day putting talks on hold. Wants to show some form first.

Smart by him. Remember when everyone was sweating bullets that Sicily hadn't re-signed yet and thought he had one foot out the door. Luckily he waited to show form before signing up because I reckon it went close to adding another 0 to his contract.

 

[KermitJagger]

I think the chances of us finding another player in the midseason draft, are still probably higher than the chances of us actually needing Brown on the list.

I’d much rather we kept the spot open and wait to see what players jump up from nowhere in other leagues.

Irrespective of that, I feel they're both tiny chances particularly post COVID. It won't be the difference between a successful season, successful rebuild or not.

That's a really odd way of looking at it.

Not really, it's just acceptance that when it gets to that point the club knows far better than I do when it comes to the players and what the list needs. Supporters can (but definitely don't always) make pretty measured and justified calls about big name players acquired from other clubs or about high profile draftees, but when it comes to this sort of decision the club knows markedly more than we do. The small details are big details. I don't know what we're looking for internally for the last player on the list, just the same as I know very little about the kid potentially taken with pick 60+ in the draft.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

I hear you but I would still risk it every single day of the week to get another Newcombe 2.0

Thats not happening again, no way. Newcombe slipped through the cracks due to covid. Decent players might still come up in the msd but nobody as good as him.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We had Newcombe and Blanck playing at BH before we took them in the MSD.

They were essentially known quantities present in our own system.

Callow has already returned to the SANFL. Ramsden remains to be seen if he’s going to develop into an elite level player.

Players aren’t really “jumping up from nowhere” in other leagues. The MSD hasn’t generated many other successful hits for the competition. We have been very fortunate in that regard in 2020/21.

Ramsden, Edwards, Culley, Ambrosia, Menzies, the list probably goes on.

They are all pretty unknown this time of the year and by May people were talking about them being the best kid in the midseason draft, and as we are currently in a rebuild, we should be all about getting the best kids whenever it’s possible.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Irrespective of that, I feel they're both tiny chances particularly post COVID. It won't be the difference between a successful season, successful rebuild or not.

Yes, I agree that the chances of us finding a diamond in the midseason draft now that the pathways of opened up again for players to be seen and develop, but I still think there’s a higher chance of us finding another good kid then there is of Brown being the answer to any question that we have.

 

[HedgeFund]

They are all pretty unknown this time of the year

To us - yes.

To our full time recruiting and List management staff?

Hopefully not.

 

[KermitJagger]

Ramsden, Edwards, Culley, Ambrosia, Menzies, the list probably goes on.

They are all pretty unknown this time of the year and by May people were talking about them being the best kid in the midseason draft, and as we are currently in a rebuild, we should be all about getting the best kids whenever it’s possible.

Jacob Edwards is a bit of a bust at this point, 2 and a half seasons for 0 senior games. Plus his VFL form has been woeful - averages less than 10 disposals, 10 hitouts and never more than a goal in a game.