2023 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Game 10 Australia v South Africa 12/10 1900hrs @ Ekana Sports City

[NYRB]

, but the Stoinis and Smith dismissals were shambolic - the ball tracking on Smith's LBW call was dubious, and the 3rd umpire fluffed the Stoinis rev

Im still convinced both were out.

I reckon Stoinis dimsisal, the ball brushed either the top of the handle of the bat and/or glove. Not buying into that his glove hit the top of his bat , which led to the spike.

Smiths was also plum on LBW.

Have seen far worst dismissals given.

 

[Voice of the G]

Records of ODI pacers for Australia last 4 years:

Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood:
Avg: 28.80
Economy Rate: 5.19

All other pacers:
Avg: 42.76
Economy Rate: 5.65

It's borderline whether Cummins is the 3rd best quick but it's not like anyone else has stood up and done anything when given the chance.

Should never be playing Cummins,Starc and Hazelwood in the 1 side on Indian wickets.The selection of the 15 man squad is wrong and should have included Lyon and another spinner.To late now unless we get a injury.Maxwell is our best spinner at the moment,only a part time spinner as far as I am concerned.

 

[corbies]

Should never be playing Cummins,Starc and Hazelwood in the 1 side on Indian wickets.The selection of the 15 man squad is wrong and should have included Lyon and another spinner.To late now unless we get a injury.Maxwell is our best spinner at the moment,only a part time spinner as far as I am concerned.

They don't even deem Lyon fit enough to play for NSW yet. As his entire ODI career shows he'd have likely done **** all anyway.

 

[Voice of the G]

They don't even deem Lyon fit enough to play for NSW yet. As his entire ODI career shows he'd have likely done * all anyway.

Got to be better then Zampa on Indian wickets.Lyon has said he is ready to play if they require him.They seen to be resting test guys like Boland,Khawaja,Pucovski and Lyon currently in Australia because of to much cricket

 

[Alfonz]

Im still convinced both were out.

I reckon Stoinis dimsisal, the ball brushed either the top of the handle of the bat and/or glove. Not buying into that his glove hit the top of his bat , which led to the spike.

Smiths was also plum on LBW.

Have seen far worst dismissals given.

You can't be serious on Stoinis? Nobody is saying "his glove hit the top of the bat". What are you on about?

It was clear as day that the ball hit his right glove that was off the bat. The 3rd umpire even said this, but then used the image on the right (and ignored the one on the left which showed the gloves nowhere near each other) to inexplicably say the gloves were touching each other. Maybe the worst 3rd umpire decision I have ever seen, simply because what the umpire said was blatantly incorrect about the gloves touching.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Um, he is good? You don’t watch a lot of overseas cricket do you

He got hit for 100 in the Boxing Day test

 

[PhatBoy]

He got hit for 100 in the Boxing Day test

Oh well if that happened in one innings all the others don’t count then.
His 9 five wicket hauls were just a one-off

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Oh well if that happened in one innings all the others don’t count then.
His 9 five wicket hauls were just a one-off

Not saying that’s true just that for many people that would be the most recent memory

 

[swingdog]

I totally agree, Englands white ball side is very different from their test side. We have no white ball program at all, it’s just play the usual guys, who often rest for bilateral series, ridiculous.

It's fine, we don't rate white ball internationals anymore - CA cares about home tests and BBL. That's it.

There's a reasonable chance this could be the last 50 over World Cup (even with the next one booked in), so enjoy it while you can.

 

[PhatBoy]

Not saying that’s true just that for many people that would be the most recent memory

Fair enough

 

[dumb]

i'm kind of not surprised. the ashes left question marks over all three of the quicks, tactics.

marsh - in the form of his life before the tournament. now, nothing. stoinis - has talent to dominate the shorter format comps like bbl but seems to go missing. ditto maxwell - eternal tease.

no surprises the guy left out of the side applied himself a bit more. time to kick some butts out of the side to earn their place.

 

[Lia]

Exciting times for those in domestic cricket, there needs to be a serious rebuild and refresh of this side.

 

[Jamurp]

It's fine, we don't rate white ball internationals anymore - CA cares about home tests and BBL. That's it.

There's a reasonable chance this could be the last 50 over World Cup (even with the next one booked in), so enjoy it while you can.

Yeah ODIs have been behind a paywall for years now, pretty sad for a format I really enjoyed growing up with the tri-series’ that went on etc.

Our home summers are in strife too with the lack of competitiveness most years too, crickets in a weird place.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Fair enough

Was a laughing stock the same way zampa has been since the 100 against South Africa. Just an out of form player with past form forgotten

 

[greyhound punter]

i'm kind of not surprised. the ashes left question marks over all three of the quicks, tactics.

marsh - in the form of his life before the tournament. now, nothing. stoinis - has talent to dominate the shorter format comps like bbl but seems to go missing. ditto maxwell - eternal tease.

no surprises the guy left out of the side applied himself a bit more. time to kick some butts out of the side to earn their place.

100%. The 2nd Ashes test, despite winning, left me in no doubt that our seamers are well and truly past it.

Without genuine wicket takers, you aren't going to win many cricket matches. A sure sign of declining bowlers is when you get a team on the ropes and they can't finish them off - it has happened increasingly in all formats from 2018 onwards.

What is being done about it? If we keep rolling out the stale and tired combo of Starc, Halzewood and Cummins this summer then we deserve to lose against the Windies and Pakistan.

Australia deserves to get hammered this world cup. Nothing will change otherwise.

 

[BStaff17]

All is good. The players are happy under McDonald. Hugs all round after the game.

I am sure Ronnie even takes the lads to Maccas after the game for a cheeseburger and a milkshake for a job well done.

 

[BStaff17]

100%. The 2nd Ashes test, despite winning, left me in no doubt that our seamers are well and truly past it.

Without genuine wicket takers, you aren't going to win many cricket matches. A sure sign of declining bowlers is when you get a team on the ropes and they can't finish them off - it has happened increasingly in all formats from 2018 onwards.

What is being done about it? If we keep rolling out the stale and tired combo of Starc, Halzewood and Cummins this summer then we deserve to lose against the Windies and Pakistan.

Australia deserves to get hammered this world cup. Nothing will change otherwise.

We will bash up Pakistan & Windies at home.

And the bosses in CA will think all is well again.

 

[Westend]

100%. The 2nd Ashes test, despite winning, left me in no doubt that our seamers are well and truly past it.

Without genuine wicket takers, you aren't going to win many cricket matches. A sure sign of declining bowlers is when you get a team on the ropes and they can't finish them off - it has happened increasingly in all formats from 2018 onwards.

What is being done about it? If we keep rolling out the stale and tired combo of Starc, Halzewood and Cummins this summer then we deserve to lose against the Windies and Pakistan.

Australia deserves to get hammered this world cup. Nothing will change otherwise.

Morris Richo Spencer Murphy there is enough talent in the system...its just the disconnect with the national team to the state setups which is an issue

 

[Westend]

We will bash up Pakistan & Windies at home.

And the bosses in CA will think all is well again.

yes the windies are basketcase but pakistan has very good cricketers and a very good bowling attack dont underestimate them

 

[Manbearpig77]

Records of ODI pacers for Australia last 4 years:

Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood:
Avg: 28.80
Economy Rate: 5.19

All other pacers:
Avg: 42.76
Economy Rate: 5.65

It's borderline whether Cummins is the 3rd best quick but it's not like anyone else has stood up and done anything when given the chance.

Jhye Richardson's injury certainly didn't help.

However my point stands when you include the other 2 formats. How did we go in the latest T20 WC? How did the final two Ashes tests go? The last match at the GABBA of the 2020/21 Border- Gavaskar?

I'm never going to question how good the big 3 are. It's just that we are over reliant on them.

Would replacing Starc with Neser in the BG trophy in 2020/21 have won us the game? maybe not. Same with Cummins in the final Ashes test.

We don't know, because we never try it.

And it's cost us.

 

[Around the Wicket]

yes the windies are basketcase but pakistan has very good cricketers and a very good bowling attack dont underestimate them

Historically Pakistan are useless in Australia, can't bat on our wickets and there bowlers can't get wickets, don't bowl the right length.

26-4 Head to Head.

 

[kickthething]

Does this come in English as well?

No, that’s iPad speak only

 

[PhatBoy]

Jhye Richardson's injury certainly didn't help.

However my point stands when you include the other 2 formats. How did we go in the latest T20 WC? How did the final two Ashes tests go? The last match at the GABBA of the 2020/21 Border- Gavaskar?

I'm never going to question how good the big 3 are. It's just that we are over reliant on them.

Would replacing Starc with Neser in the BG trophy in 2020/21 have won us the game? maybe not. Same with Cummins in the final Ashes test.

We don't know, because we never try it.

And it's cost us.

I don’t believe in ‘trying things’ for big games, if you’ve got weapons in your arsenal that have proven themselves as often as not.
Yes sport is littered with examples of fairy tails where someone comes in and proves to be the difference maker but in almost every case it’s borne out of necessity rather than a calculated risk.

Alan Langer called into the Queensland side for the 2001 origin decider because they had no other options, Marlion Pickett wasn’t selected to drop someone, he was selected because Jack Graham couldn’t play.

If you’re going to try those alternative guys waiting in the wings, I think percentages dictate that you always try them when the need is at its lowest. You don’t just dump them in at a World Cup or in a must win game because you can, when there are other better credentialed players

 

[PhatBoy]

Historically Pakistan are useless in Australia, can't bat on our wickets and there bowlers can't get wickets, don't bowl the right length.

26-4 Head to Head.

Their bowlers are hopeless but the series before last they made plenty of runs.
They’ve had a century maker in each of their last 5 tests here (yes one of them was Yasir Shah)
Their problem with the bat is that when it goes bad - it goes really bad.

 

[kickthething]

I just don't think people have comprehended how big a loss Head is to this side.

The risk of injury outweighs any benefit warm up series close to an important tournament has. The schedule is so compact that these guys are playing enough cricket already.

We are starting to clearly understand what a big loss it is to have Cummins in the side.