List Mgmt. 2023 National Draft prospects

[loki04]

It wasn’t Cripps’ size that made us overlook him it was his fitness. He was a 188cm fatty who could barely finish the time trial in his draft year, he wasn’t the 195cm machine that he’s become since then.

Yeah he was 192cm at draft camp and 90kg.

And yes they questioned his tank and pace.

Much like Stephens people questioning his pace.

Imo size is only an issue if it's the only reason you can get the ball by bullying smaller and weaker types.
As they catch up to you but learnt more tricks to combat it and the bigger guys come back to the pack.


Also back in September he was apparently only 84kg?

16. George Stevens (14)
GWV Rebels/Vic Country
MID/DEF, 189cm, 84kg
Talent League: 12 games, 29.6 disposals, 7.0 clearances

Stevens is a polarising player in this draft - he lacks speed and doesn't have the tricks of other midfielders. But he's an elite ball-winner, makes good decisions and executes well by hand and foot. His athleticism is peripheral to these traits as an inside midfielder, and clubs know his leadership and professionalism are top notch after rehabbing a torn ACL last season and returning to captain the AFL Academy.

 

[loki04]

I love pace, but you don't need it for inside mid if you're good enough.

His outside work is clean in those highlights as well.

 

[loki04]

its all based on historic / actual trends and behaviour. For every Cripps there are 10 other big kids that dominate at junior level, only to become less athletic / slower by the time they hit 20. Or other kids just catch up and pass them. I can remember a kid who was 5' 11" and solid at age 14 and was playing centre in rep basketball teams. He never grew another inch, and gave the sport away after smaller and more agile kids soon grew taller than him... and were obv much faster then him by U18. Have already mentioned Danny Stanley & Shackleton, whom MM salivated over... only for them to go nowhere.

Yeah I know that but there are plenty who don't struggle and still get over looked as they see them as risks.

You'd think they'd at least be worth a rookie spot and see how they go under AFL training.

Anyway if he's too slow then pass as that won't suit our style.

 

[manicpie]

Yeah I know that but there are plenty who don't struggle and still get over looked as they see them as risks.

You'd think they'd at least be worth a rookie spot and see how they go under AFL training.

Anyway if he's too slow then pass as that won't suit our style.

Craig Kelly said recently that it won't be unusual to take players for only 2 years, this is the changing landscape of Recruiting. I'd take him if there as a rookie

 

[Apex36]

Craig Kelly said recently that it won't be unusual to take players for only 2 years, this is the changing landscape of Recruiting. I'd take him if there as a rookie

I think he was referring to trading in older guys as gap fillers there, not drafting kids only intending to keep them short term.

 

[manicpie]

I think he was referring to trading in older guys as gap fillers there, not drafting kids only intending to keep them short term.

Oh fair enough. It makes sense, especially for us while we're right in the window

 

[Scodog10]

Yeah he was 192cm at draft camp and 90kg.

And yes they questioned his tank and pace.

Much like Stephens people questioning his pace.

Imo size is only an issue if it's the only reason you can get the ball by bullying smaller and weaker types.
As they catch up to you but learnt more tricks to combat it and the bigger guys come back to the pack.


Also back in September he was apparently only 84kg?

16. George Stevens (14)
GWV Rebels/Vic Country
MID/DEF, 189cm, 84kg
Talent League: 12 games, 29.6 disposals, 7.0 clearances

Stevens is a polarising player in this draft - he lacks speed and doesn't have the tricks of other midfielders. But he's an elite ball-winner, makes good decisions and executes well by hand and foot. His athleticism is peripheral to these traits as an inside midfielder, and clubs know his leadership and professionalism are top notch after rehabbing a torn ACL last season and returning to captain the AFL Academy.

Draft combine would be correct at 100kg. These height and weight numbers would be pre-season.

 

[No SPIN]

No he doesn’t have the burst from stoppage speed of a Danger or Bont. But then again I’d say neither do the other guys you mentioned in Newcombe, Cripps, Green or Dunkley.

His spread from contest, defensive accountability and ability to get from contest to contest are his standout traits IMO (on top of his obvious clearance/contested ball work and ability to fight through tackles to get his hands clear).

Personally I see him having fairly similar attributes to a Green, Dunkley, Cripps type of player when deployed as a midfielder.

He also actually reminds me of Maynard as a junior. And I could easily see him playing a similar role in the backline, which adds another string to his bow.

All things considered IMO if he’s there at our second pick in the 30’s he’s a worthwhile selection.

How are his disposal skills and Footy IQ?
Can kick well on both sides?

 

[Rusty Beam]

How are his disposal skills and Footy IQ?
Can kick well on both sides?

His footy IQ is top notch IMO. I think this is exemplified in the contest with his ability to get his arms clear after the collect and weight hand passes to the outside player.

He also positions himself well to be part of chains of play, despite his lack of elite top end speed. It shows he doesn’t always have to be the clearance piece.

In terms of his kicking. He’s like most players these days. He can get by with his left (or opposite foot) to gain meterage, but it’s not natural or anywhere near his preferred.

His highlights from the SA game below really show both his midfield and defender capabilities the best IMO.

(Hopefully in the plays at 2.40 and 4.20 you can see the Maynard comparison)

 

[Kirby]

George Stevens looks like Rupert Wills

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Rupert Wills

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

9.9

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

6.8

5star

CL

2.8

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.5

2star

HB

9.3

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

17.6

5star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

8.6

5star

CL

2.2

4star

2.0.

No thanks

 

[manicpie]

Ben quaynor has signed with Castlemaine, does this mean that he's not up to it

 

[sr36]

Ben quaynor has signed with Castlemaine, does this mean that he's not up to it

It means he's confused because he has the taste to like black and white stripes, but with a dispicable logo

 

[manicpie]

It means he's confused because he has the taste to like black and white stripes, but with a dispicable logo

How old is he, maybe we are trying to hide him

 

[sr36]

How old is he, maybe we are trying to hide him

There's one who didn't get drafted in his draft year and another one coming through next year. Not sure on first names, but I'd assume this is the one who didn't get drafted.

 

[Jen2310]

Ben quaynor has signed with Castlemaine, does this mean that he's not up to it

Yeah. Same draft as nick, so will be 21 next year. Missed the cut for our vfl team last pre-season. Seems not good enough. Was a train on player during pre-season.
Played for northern knights in 2022, can't recall who he played for this year, prob just a local team.

 

[Rusty Beam]

There's one who didn't get drafted in his draft year and another one coming through next year. Not sure on first names, but I'd assume this is the one who didn't get drafted.

Luke is available next year as an NGA selection (40+) and played 11 games for the Chargers this year as an under ager.

Just a little resemblance to his brother…

 

[swoop42]

To be honest if Hine sees a lot of the same abilities in LQ as his brother at the same age why wouldn't you want to try and manipulate the situation given the current rulings surrounding NGA prospects for non Northern states.

Give him a guarantee he'll be drafted and have him "concentrate on his studies" in 2024.

 

[swoop42]

While I can understand the focus on Stevens, his size and what that might all mean, how about the kid expected to be bid on inside the top 3?

Jed Walter is already a whopping 97kg on a 194cm frame which is 15kg heavier than Ben Reid

20

Ben Reid

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.0

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.0

1star

in his draft year and 10kg more than Nathan Brown

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Nathan Brown

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.4

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

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Phantom Draft VII: 2006 Phantom AFL Draft

Presenting Matt Burgan's eagerly-anticipated 2006 phantom draft, from Bryce Gibbs at no.1 through to St Kilda's pass with the 89th and final selection.

www.afl.com.au

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

I'd be going for Stevens, if he works, a brutish inside mid like him next to Naicos and Jaicos would be perfect.

They'll take 5-10kgs of him in a preseason.

 

[Apex36]

While I can understand the focus on Stevens, his size and what that might all mean, how about the kid expected to be bid on inside the top 3?

Jed Walter is already a whopping 97kg on a 194cm frame which is 15kg heavier than Ben Reid in his draft year and 10kg more than Nathan Brown.

Phantom Draft VII: 2006 Phantom AFL Draft

Presenting Matt Burgan's eagerly-anticipated 2006 phantom draft, from Bryce Gibbs at no.1 through to St Kilda's pass with the 89th and final selection.

www.afl.com.au

Have you seen the kid play? He’s not your typical big kid out bodying smaller opposition. His ground level game, defensive work and athleticism are all top notch.
Walter would be my pick for number 1 if he wasn’t tied to GC.

 

[manicpie]

I'd be going for Stevens, if he works, a brutish inside mid like him next to Naicos and Jaicos would be perfect.

They'll take 5-10kgs of him in a preseason.

It might be his current weight that is his power. If they take some away he might end up like Sampson

 

[sr36]

It might be his current weight that is his power. If they take some away he might end up like Sampson

I'm hearing he's hoping to finish the Draft Combine 20m run soon.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

It might be his current weight that is his power. If they take some away he might end up like Sampson

There are a heap of misses around 30. I'd prefer to go for someone who can play footy and we just don't know if he can reach the elite level, rather than bringing in another athletic experiment.

 

[Bramax]

When you look at these numbers it’s easy to see why it’s very much well worth adopting a strategy of chasing established players in their mid 20s like Lachie Schultz who will likely end up playing over 200 games in his career. Even if it costs the club a first round pick you are picking up an almost guaranteed success. Assuming Collingwood finish top 2 next year, it costs the club a pick somewhere around pick 20. A player at this pick would be far less certain to play 100 games let alone 200. I know the Pies also gave up pick 34 but a pick there is even more likely to be a miss than a hit

Totally agree.

 

[manicpie]

There are a heap of misses around 30. I'd prefer to go for someone who can play footy and we just don't know if he can reach the elite level, rather than bringing in another athletic experiment.

I'm not against taking him but recruiters are always weary about taking those types. But who knows