List Mgmt. 2023 National Draft prospects

[manicpie]

I'm hearing he's hoping to finish the Draft Combine 20m run soon.

So, you're saying his blood line contains treacle

 

[sr36]

So, you're saying his blood line contains treacle

I actually know nothing about him. I'm just assuming he's slow by the commentary around him. I hope a good insider who lacks pace still gets an opportunity.

 

[manicpie]

I actually know nothing about him. I'm just assuming he's slow by the commentary around him. I hope a good insider who lacks pace still gets an opportunity.

He's actually pretty good, just worried about his longevity

 

[Scodog10]

He's actually pretty good, just worried about his longevity

One things for sure he’ll be polarising where posters will either be all in with links to Patty Cripps or less enthusiastic with suggestions of Rupert Wills…

 

[sr36]

One things for sure he’ll be polarising where posters will either be all in with links to Patty Cripps or less enthusiastic with suggestions of Rupert Wills…

A brilliant spud.

 

[Gabbo64]

One things for sure he’ll be polarising where posters will either be all in with links to Patty Cripps or less enthusiastic with suggestions of Rupert Wills…

Perhaps he could be a Rupert Cripps or a Patty Wills.

 

[Scodog10]

A brilliant spud.

He played 23 more games than me so despite my appreciation for the accuracy of this post he got plenty out of himself! The other that comes to mind is Matheson.

I lean toward Wills BTW when it comes to Stephens. I can see it now that wherever he lands he’ll play senior footy at some point for an extended enough period for his fans to suggest they’re on and he’ll definitely be a dominant VFL player. I just don’t see him taking that next step to AFL regular and I struggle to see Collingwood being the club that takes the 2nd Rd flyer on him.

 

[sr36]

He played 23 more games than me so despite my appreciation for the accuracy of this post he got plenty out of himself! The other that comes to mind is Matheson.

I lean toward Wills BTW when it comes to Stephens. I can see it now that wherever he lands he’ll play senior footy at some point for an extended enough period for his fans to suggest they’re on and he’ll definitely be a dominant VFL player. I just don’t see him taking that next step to AFL regular and I struggle to see Collingwood being the club that takes the 2nd Rd flyer on him.

I hope he makes it. One of the great things about the sport was the range of athletic profiles that could flourish - that's dwindling though. Inside mid is the last bastion of the unathletic.

 

[Scodog10]

I hope he makes it. One of the great things about the sport was the range of athletic profiles that could flourish - that's dwindling though. Inside mid is the last bastion of the unathletic.

Not quite Sam Naismith’s imminent signing with Richmond and Campbell earning another contract () suggests to me height and competitiveness are still the biggest factors for ruckman. I agree though that it’d be nice to see an athletically challenged mid make it.

 

[sr36]

Flankers are so important in our AFL game today.
These dudes set up the play

I think we won the flag because we've got the best flankers in the league and thus had the most dangerous balance of inside/outside footy.

 

[Jen2310]

24. Collingwood - Koltyn Tholstrup

The reigning premiers would love WA's Tholstrup to fall to this selection, with his power, aggression and confidence all hallmarks of Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

51

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

's side. Tholstrup plays a similar style to Cam Zurhaar in the forward half, crashing packs and applying pressure as well as being able to move through the midfield as a bigger body.

Collingwood

Picks 19, 33, 80, 98

The reigning premiers held onto their first round pick and still brought Lachie Schultz in to fill the void left by Taylor Adams

3

Taylor Adams

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

and Jack Ginnivan. They could use competition in that half forward area in a Koltyn Tholstrup, but are also in need of ruck depth and could target Mitch Edwards or Will Green early. The Pies are unlikely to use more than two picks on draft-age prospects.

First-round Phantom Draft - who your club could pick on night 1

The 2023 AFL Draft is less than a month away, and with players traded and picks swapped, Jasper Chellappah has released his latest Phantom Draft. Who does your club pick up on the first night? Plus where every team is looking with their draft hand.

www.espn.com.au

 

[manicpie]

I think we won the flag because we've got the best flankers in the league and thus had the most dangerous balance of inside/outside footy.

And we just added another quality little German who also excels on the flank

 

[sr36]

And we just added another quality little German who also excels on the flank

We need Freddy to make it. Krugeur and Schultz belong side by side.

 

[manicpie]

Collingwood

Picks 19, 33, 80, 98

The reigning premiers held onto their first round pick and still brought Lachie Schultz in to fill the void left by Taylor Adams and Jack Ginnivan. They could use competition in that half forward area in a Koltyn Tholstrup, but are also in need of ruck depth and could target Mitch Edwards or Will Green early. The Pies are unlikely to use more than two picks on draft-age prospects.

First-round Phantom Draft - who your club could pick on night 1

The 2023 AFL Draft is less than a month away, and with players traded and picks swapped, Jasper Chellappah has released his latest Phantom Draft. Who does your club pick up on the first night? Plus where every team is looking with their draft hand.

www.espn.com.au

I won't be surprised if we take a risk on Ashton Moir, my alien senses tell me he will be too much temptation if he's there at either of our picks

 

[manicpie]

We need Freddy to make it. Krugeur and Schultz belong side by side.

Good thing we never got that Schlong guy from WA

 

[sr36]

Good thing we never got that Schlong guy from WA

A potential full forward line of Schultz, Kreuger and Mason Schlong.

 

[Apex36]

Collingwood

Picks 19, 33, 80, 98

The reigning premiers held onto their first round pick and still brought Lachie Schultz in to fill the void left by Taylor Adams and Jack Ginnivan. They could use competition in that half forward area in a Koltyn Tholstrup, but are also in need of ruck depth and could target Mitch Edwards or Will Green early. The Pies are unlikely to use more than two picks on draft-age prospects.

First-round Phantom Draft - who your club could pick on night 1

The 2023 AFL Draft is less than a month away, and with players traded and picks swapped, Jasper Chellappah has released his latest Phantom Draft. Who does your club pick up on the first night? Plus where every team is looking with their draft hand.

www.espn.com.au

If we can get a Zurhaar (aka Kmart Jordy) at pick 24 I’d be thrilled.

 

[Carlthetruth]

I won't be surprised if we take a risk on Ashton Moir, my alien senses tell me he will be too much temptation if he's there at either of our picks

I would be, has played a very ordinary brand of football this season bordering on uncompetitive. As for the links to Tholstrup if poor old Georgie Stevens is getting ripped for his athleticism then so should Tholstrup, a lot of lazy profiles describing him as 'explosive' or 'Zurhaar like', he's not, uber vanilla with not much standing out. Doubt we'd be interested in another plodder.

 

[Johno9911]

Quick question - and sorry if it's been asked before, but how does the point/bid system affect picks not used in a bid? For example our pick 33 is currently worth 563 points. If the GC use up all of pick 24,26, 27 and 32 in bids, and our pick 33 hypothetically becomes "pick 29" for example, is it still only worth the 563 points, or do the attached points also come in to match the new draft position and hence be worth 653?

Essentially I am asking with the thinking of, if we are looking to bundle 19 and 33 together to get up the order, are we better waiting for the GC bids to come in and make 33 worth more points because it "becomes pick 29" - or does it not matter since the attached points for each pick don't change once the draft starts for instance?

 

[Jen2310]

SNAPSHOT: “An energetic and bullish forward, Koltyn Tholstrup’s unique combination of skill and flair makes him hard to miss on the footy field.”


A high half-forward with plenty of character, Koltyn Tholstrup takes the game head on and has buckets of experience at senior level. Coming into 2023 off the back of 30 goals in 15 WAFL Colts games across two years, Subiaco had Tholstrup training with the senior squad all off-season. This was the platform for a Round 1 League debut, finishing the season with 10 games at the top level and seven goals.


After missing out on the first game in the National Carnival, Tholstrup’s impact on WA’s Under 18 side made the Black Ducks look a far more cohesive and dangerous outfit. His composure when looking to win the ball in the air or on the ground, as well as when using the ball is a class above most other prospects in this year’s draft.


A brilliant creator and finisher, many of Tholstrup’s disposals create opportunities for inside 50 targets, always looking to take the game on with his penetrative kicking. His bullish nature and strong contested work, along with his aggressive kicking decisions lead him to be a handy pinch hitter in the midfield as well.

STRENGTHS:

• Effort
• Kick penetration
• Overhead marking
• Power
• Scoreboard impact
• Strength

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Consistency
• Conversion

After a strong bottom-age year in 2022, Tholstrup found himself straight into the senior set up at Subiaco, making his League debut in Round 1 of the WAFL season. With serious power and clean overhead marking, it was no surprise to see Tholstrup elevated to senior level as he possesses the physicality and intensity at the footy required to play League football.
In Colts football last year, Tholstrup at times played as an undersized key forward. He was able to outmuscle opponents in contested marking situations, and proved to be one of his side’s primary targets when moving the ball forward. Though he was not as prolific in 2023 throughout League and State footy, Tholstrup managed 30 goals in 15 WAFL Colts games, managing five hauls of over three goals.

His scoring output at junior level is even more impressive when you consider how often Tholstrup would pinch hit in the midfield. Thanks again to his strength, Tholstrup is a workhorse who loves to get stuck into the contest with great success. Though, the query remains whether he has the tank to continue developing as a midfielder.

His composure with the ball in hand makes him a player you want having possession when looking to go inside 50. Whether in the midfield or as a high half forward, Tholstrup can burst through traffic and release a penetrating and damaging kick when going forward.
Though he has still shown several of the skills that have made clubs rate him so highly, Tholstrup’s numbers have suffered in League and State football in 2023. Managing just seven goals in 10 League games, his accuracy in front of goal has room for improvement in the faster paced and higher pressure level of senior football.

At state level, he featured as a creator of chances rather than a goal scorer. With 18.3 disposals and six inside 50s per game, Tholstrup was a key cog for Western Australia to turn possession into goal scoring opportunities.
Despite not putting up as large of numbers as he’d hope this season, Tholstrup remains one of the most exciting players to watch in this year’s draft class. A high impact player with X-factor, Tholstrup looks as though he’d be a great selection for clubs looking for a forward in the Cam Zurhaar mould.

Koltyn Tholstrup Draft Profile

A draft prospect with 'Kolt' hero potential, Koltyn Tholstrup offers unique flair and plenty of energy as a high half-forward.

central.rookieme.com

 

[RobJD]

Quick question - and sorry if it's been asked before, but how does the point/bid system affect picks not used in a bid? For example our pick 33 is currently worth 563 points. If the GC use up all of pick 24,26, 27 and 32 in bids, and our pick 33 hypothetically becomes "pick 29" for example, is it still only worth the 563 points, or do the attached points also come in to match the new draft position and hence be worth 653?

Essentially I am asking with the thinking of, if we are looking to bundle 19 and 33 together to get up the order, are we better waiting for the GC bids to come in and make 33 worth more points because it "becomes pick 29" - or does it not matter since the attached points for each pick don't change once the draft starts for instance?

AFAIK, Pick point value slides with the pick, so our 33 will become more valuable after the GC first issue of picks are consumed (and then go out as subsequent matches are bid on) - for our pick 33 I anticipate there'll be very little actual movement by the time it's used. GC may also complete some on the night trading for, say pick 24 for some late junk picks.

 

[Matt_352]

Y the f would we take a small/medium fwd in the draft? We need a tall defender and Inside mid

 

[RobJD]

Y the f would we take a small/medium fwd in the draft? We need a tall defender and Inside mid

Based on best available - don't think they'll target a player for a position with the first pick (could be wrong if the draft is that even and shallow).

 

[sr36]

Y the f would we take a small/medium fwd in the draft? We need a tall defender and Inside mid

We can trade for gaps and it's better to have less gaps by recruiting best available than significantly reducing your draft success rate by crossing out a huge chunk of players due to type.

 

[Soups]

Y the f would we take a small/medium fwd in the draft? We need a tall defender and Inside mid

I am assuming they would be looking at Tholstrup because they see scope in playing inside mid down the track.