Spot on… first quarter disposals were underwhelming with Carlton 62 to Crows 128! We just couldn’t get our hands on the ball. Midfield form complete contrast to the early rounds of last year.
Autopsy 2023 Rd 5 Blues get smashed by Crows
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Considering we were probably in that range last year, but we fell away at the end, l would not really call this as a significant step forward, there are major concerns with speed & conservative game plan, our midfield is too one dimensional.
Most of the games have been less than convincing, l can see at least 5-6 sides finishing above us.
I know it's marginal, but before the start of last year, I stated we were a 11-13 win side
We have been inconsistent, but no different to most sides so far this year
Yes true, but we would like to see the team play be more bold & take the game on more, we look to be very predictable for the opposition right now.
lt would be nice for the coaching team to give players like Kemp & Carroll some games on end.
Plowman is a step backwards, Ed Curnow is a great Carlton man, but l don't believe he complements a already slow mid field.
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Ground ball gets, contested possessions etc are all there on the stats section of the AFL site. Easy to confirm that yes. Our midfield is just not winning enough contested/ground ball.
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Adelaide earned a home grand final against Richmond. Who gives a crap if they get an extra H&A game
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Yes for sure especially if your ruck is giving you no service -- to play this style without a strong ruck is dangerous as you haven't got leg speed to counterpunch in the middle .. this is another problem we haven't addressed in this rebuild we have tried every second hand ruck we could get to fill a hole and what we have isn't any better than Philips (who is a second string ruck )
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It’s that unprofessional already, who cares.
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No they don't. This is an extra round. All of those clubs listed still have 11 home games and 11 away games. The only clubs disadvantaged by this round are Carlton and Dogs, who effectively get an extra away game as they were drawn to play the two SA teams.
The two SA teams gain a significant advantage from Gather Round, and yes Adelaide have a dream fixture which should see them comfortably in the 8, possibly top 4 by year end.
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Carroll looked terrible in the 2s last night.
Who was best from that game, I didn't watch it
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kemp, durdin, dow, mirkov, cincotta.....
Thanks. Good for Kemp and Cincotta to have some form, seems pretty likely they will get some AFL games in the short term
Our ability to chain uncontested possessions, break lines, pass through zones and move the ball forward before the opposition setups is pretty deplorable though. We have players that can win the ball but our ability to starve teams of the ball outside of winning an ungodly amount of contested possessions is pretty bad. Speed definitely matters when it comes to shutting down the oppositions uncontested possessions. No point worrying about winning the ball if we can't force a contest in the first place.
Even against Adelaide we had patches where we dominated possession but it took us about 10 times the effort to gain ground. Not to mention that we move the ball out of defence so slowly that the opposition can jog into position to force the 50/50 kick to the boundary line.
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A selection of my favourite quotes from this thread:
Oops, sorry, those quotes were from Richmond's match thread after their Rd 16 match in 2017 (with just a few name changes).
Can't submit no votes, what a scam
Oops, sorry, those quotes were from Richmond's match thread after their Rd 16 match in 2017 (with just a few name changes).
and Cincotta as well!
The best thread over there was the end of 2016 Hardwick thread, priceless
I've stayed out of the debate/melts for a couple of days and had a chance to watch the replay (i was at a function on thursday night).This game should have been the 'Showdown'. Seriously. How anyone other than Port could have had anything like a neutral venue is beyond me. I'm not saying we should not be prepared to win against hostile crowds, we should be, absolutely. I just think this draw is unfair. Every other game is more or less 'neutral. Poor prograamming from the AFL
I tend to agree with Vossy. We got steamrolled in the first 15-20 minutes, then stabilised somewhat, and had a chuck at the stumps when all was lost, which blew out the margin.
Sometimes there is a team that just has the right mix of players which negates opposition strengths, sometimes there are emotional factors that bring extra effort to a game. Adelaide seems to have that mix for us. Thursday was that for the Crows.
Missing both doc and tagging saad really means that plan A goes out the window. Getting touched up in the middle means the one wood is not working. (also part of plan A). So, what is plan B, C, D?
Our rucks are weak (physically, mentally, skilfully) and we get shown up in the middle when we lose the contest. Durr. I would take a big lumbering fellow like O'brien who rarely lose getting first hand to the ball over flukey, but athletic TDK (yes I'm shooting bambi). The game plan centred on winning clearance cannot have a flukey ruckman at the core. I love Pitto's effort, but he is outclassed almost every week.
I watched our reject ruckman, Phillips, play the best game I've seen from him this afternoon, with Draper at his side and almost BOG. I would contend this is about as good a ruck duo there is in the League (with Gawn injured). They outplayed Grundy easily.
My point is, we have built a game on a good/better than good defence and winning contested ball, then kicking to tall towers up forward (which may also be a problem), but that plan falls short if we are getting smashed because we do not have a competent/winning ruck.
I agree speed to spread is also a concern, but not as much as the ruck problem.
I tend to agree with Vossy. We got steamrolled in the first 15-20 minutes, then stabilised somewhat, and had a chuck at the stumps when all was lost, which blew out the margin.
Sometimes there is a team that just has the right mix of players which negates opposition strengths, sometimes there are emotional factors that bring extra effort to a game. Adelaide seems to have that mix for us. Thursday was that for the Crows.
Missing both doc and tagging saad really means that plan A goes out the window. Getting touched up in the middle means the one wood is not working. (also part of plan A). So, what is plan B, C, D?
Our rucks are weak (physically, mentally, skilfully) and we get shown up in the middle when we lose the contest. Durr. I would take a big lumbering fellow like O'brien who rarely lose getting first hand to the ball over flukey, but athletic TDK (yes I'm shooting bambi). The game plan centred on winning clearance cannot have a flukey ruckman at the core. I love Pitto's effort, but he is outclassed almost every week.
I watched our reject ruckman, Phillips, play the best game I've seen from him this afternoon, with Draper at his side and almost BOG. I would contend this is about as good a ruck duo there is in the League (with Gawn injured). They outplayed Grundy easily.
My point is, we have built a game on a good/better than good defence and winning contested ball, then kicking to tall towers up forward (which may also be a problem), but that plan falls short if we are getting smashed because we do not have a competent/winning ruck.
I agree speed to spread is also a concern, but not as much as the ruck problem.
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A bit harsh on Pittonet - he was out for 3/4 of the game - but yep Carlton's midfield lost the game in Q1 couldn't get their hands on the ball.
Yup agree, there about
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We kind of lost our mojo after that round 11 defeat to the filth last year. That defeat knocked the stuffing out of us and we've yet to fully recover from it imo.
I still think this team is good enough to secure a spot in the finals, the season is still early doors after all.
It's important that we bounce back against the Saints next Sunday. There's no point in throwing the baby out with the bathwater just yet!
I still think this team is good enough to secure a spot in the finals, the season is still early doors after all.
It's important that we bounce back against the Saints next Sunday. There's no point in throwing the baby out with the bathwater just yet!
No..they didn’t. The Grand Final is always held at the MCG. And there’s generally an equal split of crowd support.
I wouldn’t. Geelong gets a HUGE home ground advantage…as do the Adelaide and Perth sides. Playing regularly at the MCG matters little if you don’t get there in the first place.
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They finished top of the ladder and if gather round is always held in Adelaide then it’s no different to the Grand final being at the MCG.
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Something I've often thought about, quietly, is that our midfield gets overrated a tad.
I mean, on paper it's excellent. But last couple years all too often there's massive chunks of games where we just don't win the ball, which is meant to be our one wood.
I won't say a bad word about Walsh though. That boy is phenomenal.
I mean, on paper it's excellent. But last couple years all too often there's massive chunks of games where we just don't win the ball, which is meant to be our one wood.
I won't say a bad word about Walsh though. That boy is phenomenal.
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