2024/2025 Gold Coast Draft & Trade Periods

[Supersuns]

Yeah, not playing finals cost us way more. Seriously, if we don’t play finals in next 2 years we are screwed and next re-build could be up on us. More draftees will not help us in near future.

Correct, we have to win now. Otherwise we will get yet another exodus. That's why the board brought in Hardwick.

 

[Iva Bigun]

It will be the solution to a problem at some point. What's the alternative here, draft another 18 year old that is no use for 3 seasons?

If Rioli plays well and we make finals no one (except a couple) will care that he cost pick 6.

I don’t think anybody’s suggesting we continue to pick 18-year-olds that we just trade three or four years later for a fourth round pick, what I am suggesting is that we pay fair value so that the football world doesn’t see us as a laughing stock and with some justification.

I suppose what I am suggesting is that just because we have pick 6 doesn’t mean that it should be the price used as part of the Rioli trade. If we had pick 1 they would ask for that, same as if we had pick 10. With this year‘s draft being so open P6 is a very desirable pic and as such we should be maximising its value by potentially on trading it. Then offering 12 and perhaps 20 for Rioli which is still overs but much more palatable assuming they would be paying part of his wage. If they then said no so be it but they know his value is only going to go down next year

 

[KaySwizzle]

And if we make finals and don't win a flag then we'll look back more harshly on soft list management decisions

Gotta make finals to win a flag…

How about we just try and get there first? Get to finals and no doubt other players will want to come here, or players will play for less. Who knows.

If we stay middle of the ladder or worse and nothing will change.

Will Rioli get us to finals alone? Doubtful. But he may be a piece that lets us lift the team enough to do so.

Pick 6 is an absolute scam. But sellers set the price to some degree. In a perfect world we give up a teen pick, which is what he is worth. But his contract length, plus likely winning a BnF, plus Richmond being in the doldrums with nothing to lose, means it is gonna be hard to budge them.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

And if we make finals and don't win a flag then we'll look back more harshly on soft list management decisions

So the Suns make their first ever finals and you'll be complaining about the Rioli trade if there is no flag?

That's a very high bar you're setting.

 

[Jirik13]

I don’t think anybody’s suggesting we continue to pick 18-year-olds that we just trade three or four years later for a fourth round pick, what I am suggesting is that we pay fair value so that the football world doesn’t see us as a laughing stock and with some justification.

I suppose what I am suggesting is that just because we have pick 6 doesn’t mean that it should be the price used as part of the Rioli trade. If we had pick 1 they would ask for that, same as if we had pick 10. With this year‘s draft being so open P6 is a very desirable pic and as such we should be maximising its value by potentially on trading it. Then offering 12 and perhaps 20 for Rioli which is still overs but much more palatable assuming they would be paying part of his wage. If they then said no so be it but they know his value is only going to go down next year

Problem with your proposal is that we are not going to walk away. Be prepared. Pick 6 will be the central part of the deal.
You can blame whoever you want for it.

 

[sunsofanarchy]

So the Suns make their first ever finals and you'll be complaining about the Rioli trade if there is no flag?

That's a very high bar you're setting.

If we make finals with this group for a period of time and then don't get one ala NM when they were in prelims and then drop out of the 8 for another rebuild, then it's all been for nothing, I've said that all along. Making the 8 means nothing, who gives a toss about Carlton's season, or the Dogs?

 

[Jirik13]

If we make finals with this group for a period of time and then don't get one ala NM when they were in prelims and then drop out of the 8 for another rebuild, then it's all been for nothing, I've said that all along. Making the 8 means nothing, who gives a toss about Carlton's season, or the Dogs?

Yeah, that the aim - winning it all. In 2-3 years according to Dimma, Bob last year.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

If we make finals with this group for a period of time and then don't get one ala NM when they were in prelims and then drop out of the 8 for another rebuild, then it's all been for nothing, I've said that all along. Making the 8 means nothing, who gives a toss about Carlton's season, or the Dogs?

Disagree there, making the finals for the first time would be a massive success for the Suns.

 

[SnusCG]

At some point we do need to just walk away

Weller stated publicly that Evans had told him the deal would get done, that put all the power in Freon’s hands and lead to the gold standard of dumb deals

Last year Craig Cameron said hold my beer and gave away Bowes ( who Geelong said they wanted as a player) AND added pick 7 to the deal, he stated this was the future of trading, Crown casino immediately made him a platinum member

Now we are going to give up pick 6 for a guy at the end of his peak that is a HBF not a gun mid or forward, just an above average HBF

I get it’s only a pick (and we have ****ed up many in the past) and that we don’t need another mid but it feeds the narrative that we as a club will give up anything just name a price while the opposite when trading out our own players.

Walking away from Rioli could chance that story and quickly

Yeah of course we do. Anyone with sense can see that we SHOULD walk away. We should honestly walk away at pick 6. Houston is going to go for less and he’s a 2xAA in the same position.

Our list management isn’t smart though. They panic about how few free agents we get that somebody says the want to come and they pay whatever ransom the other team demands.

Realistically, Rioli is worth pick 12.
I fully expect us to give up 6 and 12

 

[sunsofanarchy]

Disagree there, making the finals for the first time would be a massive success for the Suns.

Wear that participation ribbon on chest proudly then

 

[DTLSchulzy16]

I’m at that point as well. I’d prefer we deal 6 to someone else first. For a couple of picks. Then throw 12 and a 3rd at Richmond. They don’t want that, then we walk away

 

[KaySwizzle]

Wear that participation ribbon on chest proudly then

I’d argue that right now we’re participating for a ribbon…

18 teams. Only one can win. But you gotta be thereabouts to have a chance.

We are not thereabouts, currently. Just making up the numbers, and not even the good numbers.

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

I find it so funny how simplistic fans look at trades. It's as if picks have binary values and if you pay over that you've been dicked.

If you knew that you had discounted access to talent, needed instant results and had a BNF level player want to come here... Knowing the potential down and upside, in your context what's that worth?

Any good negotiator wouldn't expose that to get the best deal but AFL clubs can't hide shit due to the nature of managers, players and other staff.

I get it's a yardstick to append a mental value but this isn't how it works in the real world. And sometimes an appropriate trade backfires too. Not a single trade is a guaranteed win. Could get the best player for the worst pick in an anomaly trade and he could do his knee unexpectedly in preseason and never come back as it's degenerative.

 

[Choppers]

“We can tell you tonight that speculation is mounting that Brisbane spearhead Joe Daniher is considering his AFL future after tomorrow’s grand final,” Cleary told Seven on Friday night.

“It’s understood the 30-year-old has spoken to those close to him in recent weeks about whether he would play on in season 2025.

“Daniher is contracted for next year, but those at the club have made no secret in the past as to how much he enjoys living his life in the northern New South Wales beaches, two hours outside of Brisbane.”


Hmmm!

 

[sunsofanarchy]

I find it so funny how simplistic fans look at trades. It's as if picks have binary values and if you pay over that you've been dicked.

If you knew that you had discounted access to talent, needed instant results and had a BNF level player want to come here... Knowing the potential down and upside, in your context what's that worth?

Any good negotiator wouldn't expose that to get the best deal but AFL clubs can't hide shit due to the nature of managers, players and other staff.

I get it's a yardstick to append a mental value but this isn't how it works in the real world. And sometimes an appropriate trade backfires too. Not a single trade is a guaranteed win. Could get the best player for the worst pick in an anomaly trade and he could do his knee unexpectedly in preseason and never come back as it's degenerative.

what does binary mean?

 

[GC2015]

“Daniher is contracted for next year, but those at the club have made no secret in the past as to how much he enjoys living his life in the northern New South Wales beaches, two hours outside of Brisbane.”

It's really surprising that we don't use this to our advantage more often. The distance between Carrara Stadium and Byron Bay is 95km, which equates to a 65 minute drive. There are plenty of players in the southern states that regularly travel over an hour to get to training every day so it's not like travelling that kind of distance is a foreign concept to AFL footballers. The realistic lifestyle options we can offer on the Gold Coast and in northern NSW really should be used as a carrot that's very appealing for players.

 

[RowellAnderson12]

It's really surprising that we don't use this to our advantage more often. The distance between Carrara Stadium and Byron Bay is 95km, which equates to a 65 minute drive. There are plenty of players in the southern states that regularly travel over an hour to get to training every day so it's not like travelling that kind of distance is a foreign concept to AFL footballers. The realistic lifestyle options we can offer on the Gold Coast and in northern NSW really should be used as a carrot that's very appealing for players.

Imagine a world where we send Luko for a future first

Then last minute send pick package for lions to get Ashcroft x Marshall….

And we get Big Joe because the drive is too far

 

[sydney_gws]

Hello, do you think you will get more for Lukosius than Rioli costs. I think you should, Lukosius would be the preference of the 2 for the majority of clubs in my opinion. Perhaps make it a 3 way trade. Trade 6 to North or eagles for their 2025r1, leave tigers with 12,2025r2 for Rioli.

 

[THE_GUN]

I suppose what I am suggesting is that just because we have pick 6 doesn’t mean that it should be the price used as part of the Rioli trade. If we had pick 1 they would ask for that, same as if we had pick 10. With this year‘s draft being so open P6 is a very desirable pic and as such we should be maximising its value by potentially on trading it. Then offering 12 and perhaps 20 for Rioli which is still overs but much more palatable assuming they would be paying part of his wage. If they then said no so be it but they know his value is only going to go down next year

Let ma take you back to 2016

Uncontracted Dion Prestia , Richmond had pick #6 and Gold Coast demanded that must be the trade
Richmond after finishing 13th coughed up and for a constantly injured Prestia and he has played 130 games for Richmond but atleast in 30 games has not finished and been taken off with a niggle or got soft tissue injury.
Would i change things ? No because the end result was what we wanted.

When you chase a player its usually on the club to get it done
Hopper , Taranto was exactly the same and it doesnt just happen to GC

Only team that seems to get advantages is Geelong time and time again Pick #7 , Cameron , Henry , Smith , Stengle etc etc

 

[Stroppy]

I’m at that point as well. I’d prefer we deal 6 to someone else first. For a couple of picks. Then throw 12 and a 3rd at Richmond. They don’t want that, then we walk away

I would be fine with offering pick 6 straight up with a deadline.
That is overs, and if that is not enough to get a deal done then trade away pick 6 which has a crap-ton of value in this draft.
Put some heat on them. Do the deal, or not.

 

[robo_1]

Hello, do you think you will get more for Lukosius than Rioli costs. I think you should, Lukosius would be the preference of the 2 for the majority of clubs in my opinion. Perhaps make it a 3 way trade. Trade 6 to North or eagles for their 2025r1, leave tigers with 12,2025r2 for Rioli.

Yes they’re both contracted but the difference is Richmond want to keep Rioli Gold Coast don’t want to keep lukosious

 

[Iva Bigun]

Yes they’re both contracted but the difference is Richmond want to keep Rioli Gold Coast don’t want to keep lukosious

Do they though? it could be argued they want the that oh so sweet pick 6 as a corner stone of their rebuild more than an aging veteran that doesn't want to be there and won’t be part of their next finals run

 

[Iva Bigun]

The future’s game starts at 9:30 anybody know if it’s televised in Queensland?

Edit: it’s on the AFL app

 

[sunsofanarchy]

Do they though? it could be argued they want the that oh so sweet pick 6 as a corner stone of their rebuild more than an aging veteran that doesn't want to be there and won’t be part of their next finals run

When Bolton and Baker goes, where is their list at? An absolute shambles. Why would Richmond keep Rioli when you've conceded to 10 goal losses for the next 3 years when Rioli will be 30.

If we were prepared to walk away and have a backline of

Uwland Collins Ballard
Noble Andrew Powell
(Jeffery, Budarick reserves)

Richmond would jump at 2 first rounders of 12 and 20 for Rioli. That's probably more than what Port will get for current AA Houston

 

[Supersuns]

Of course Richmond want to keep Rioli, he is going to win their B&F and would go close to being their best player. Trading out all your stars and rebuilding through the draft doesn't work very often. Look at North, years of top 8 picks and still garbage. No guarantee a draft pick will be the level of player Rioli is.