Official Club Stuff 2024 AGM - to be held on Friday 6th December 2024, 1 director to be elected by members. Nominations called for.

[philreich]

Yes, I would. Because that's realistic in the modern era and the failure to achieve that goal means there's no easy way out. Right now this club is so toxic and it's excuse for who's going to be held accountable for the 3 flags in 5 years plan is that the goal itself was always unattainable so we don't see it as a failure

Richo actually explained on Friday night what he meant by the 3 flags in 5 years comment. My head is still spinning - RussellEbertHandball can you remember what he said, because I've got no idea.

 

[simba_]

"he cops a lot of criticism he 'probably' doesn't deserve" is an insane sentence by any standard

 

[JimmyBC]

The father figure comment grates because umpteen players say it not just Rozee, he's not a community daddy at a wayward youth centre to a bunch of orphans ffs.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Richo actually explained on Friday night what he meant by the 3 flags in 5 years comment. My head is still spinning - RussellEbertHandball can you remember what he said, because I've got no idea.

It was about setting a high aspiration and trying to achieve it rather than just say we will win one. He talked about the great vs good clubs and that in this century Brisbane (3 then lost a GF), Geelong (3 inc losing 1 GF after first), Hawks (lost a GF then won 3) and Richmond (3 ) all won 3 within 5 years before they dropped away and that the club's aspiration was to join that group of clubs not just win one, like in 2004.

I said to you that they should have gone with the aim is to win one premiership and say that if we achieve that, then the goal was to win multiple premierships in a 5 year period like the above clubs.

 

[Chizza12]

There is a difference between defending your coach and drinking the Ken-Aid.

The entire playing group is infected with this sentiment (regardless of if they say it or not). It all starts at the top, and when your captain is coming out with tripe like 'love him like a father' its any wonder why we continually and consistently fail under the bright lights, because the whole place runs off the emotional roller-coaster of 58 year old child.

I don't see this as a player issue, they don't deserve to cop sh*t about it. Hinkley is obviously good at building relationships with players, they like him because he cares about them as people, not just as footballers. I have no doubt he's helped individuals in dealing with issues and private aspects of their life that they're grateful for. Every coach now talks about building a connection between players and coaches, this shouldn't be a criticism of Hinkley. My personal opinion is hate Hinkely for his coaching, hate the board for keeping him in a job, but the constant pile on of players for supporting Hinkley is a nonsense.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

It was about setting a high aspiration and trying to achieve it rather than just say we will win one. He talked about the great vs good clubs and that in this century Brisbane (3 then lost a GF), Geelong (3 inc losing 1 GF after first), Hawks (lost a GF then won 3) and Richmond (3 ) all won 3 within 5 years before they dropped away and that the club's aspiration was to join that group of clubs not just win one, like in 2004.

I said to you that they should have gone with the aim is to win one premiership and say that if we achieve that, then the goal was to win multiple premierships in a 5 year period like the above clubs.

I have no problems with the 3 in 5 years aspiration. Aspirations are good.

I have a massive problem for the lack of accountability to us not even winning 1.

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[philreich]

I have no problems with the 3 in 5 years aspiration. Aspirations are good.

I have a massive problem for the lack of accountability to us not even winning 1.

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And not even thinking for 1 moment that Hinkley might be the problem. If we'd bitten the bullet and sacked him after the 2017 EF, I feel confident that we would have had at least one more flag by now.

 

[JimmyBC]

He took his cue from the Brendon Gale comment I assume which people laughed at in the moment before Richmond actually went on and achieved it, it was then pointed out to me the 3 in 5 from Richo covered AFLW, SANFL & AFL hilariously.

 

[philreich]

Lol, even in their own figures, when they're trying to ignore the elephant in the room, there is a massive glaring couple of duck eggs there.

"have not finished below 12th"

"Third most wins"


How about the fact 12 other teams have made a GF, and 8 have won a flag.

FFS.

And how about 3 finals wins in a decade, including a solitary knock out finals win, which only occurred because an opposition player hit the post?

 

[tribey]

I don't see this as a player issue, they don't deserve to cop sh*t about it. Hinkley is obviously good at building relationships with players, they like him because he cares about them as people, not just as footballers. I have no doubt he's helped individuals in dealing with issues and private aspects of their life that they're grateful for. Every coach now talks about building a connection between players and coaches, this shouldn't be a criticism of Hinkley. My personal opinion is hate Hinkely for his coaching, hate the board for keeping him in a job, but the constant pile on of players for supporting Hinkley is a nonsense.

They’re a mob of thin-skinned losers who routinely go to water when it matters most — just like their ‘dad’ — and we keep being told this is fine, and to raise our scarves about it.

They can all do one, tbh.

 

[philreich]

The father figure comment grates because umpteen players say it not just Rozee, he's not a community daddy at a wayward youth centre to a bunch of orphans ffs.

This came up among the supporters after the AGM, and the overwhelming sentiment was that we don't need a father figure. Who cares if the players hate the coach - I'm sure nobody at Hawthorn ever said anything about loving Clarkson, but they still won 4 flags under him.

 

[JimmyBC]

This came up among the supporters after the AGM, and the overwhelming sentiment was that we don't need a father figure. Who cares if the players hate the coach - I'm sure nobody at Hawthorn ever said anything about loving Clarkson, but they still won 4 flags under him.

Father figure, mate, partner in a dishlicker syndicate it's not normal player/coach connection it's gone too far.

 

[philreich]

Father figure, mate, partner in a dishlicker syndicate it's not normal player/coach connection it's gone too far.

Another thing that was mentioned after the AGM was the ginormous party that will be held at Alberton when Hinkley finally leaves. Hopefully The Precinct pre-caters for it - otherwise they'll inevitably run out of beer .

 

[Kenny_Powers]

If Richardson had come out & owned that his chasing greatness strategy hadn't achieved what was very publicly outlined, and that he and the club needed to look introspectively and make changes where required, I could at least swallow that.

This whole garbage of "oh no people didn't really understand what we meant by what we said, and we make no apologies for aspiring to it ra ra"

I mean not only did we fail every individual goal outlined, but the Magpies won, what? Their first spoon in like decades?!

Are people really that allergic to just putting their hand up and showing leadership and accountability down there??


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[Enviable Tradition]

If Richardson had come out & owned that his chasing greatness strategy hadn't achieved what was very publicly outlined, and that he and the club needed to look introspectively and make changes where required, I could at least swallow that.

This whole garbage of "oh no people didn't really understand what we meant by what we said, and we make no apologies for aspiring to it ra ra"

I mean not only did we fail every individual goal outlined, but the Magpies won, what? Their first spoon in like decades?!

Are people really that allergic to just putting their hand up and showing leadership and accountability down there??


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[bomberclifford]

I have no problems with the 3 in 5 years aspiration. Aspirations are good.

I have a massive problem for the lack of accountability to us not even winning 1.

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Agree. Setting an audacious target isn't the problem. I'd even go so far as to say, not meeting it isn't the problem.

It's sitting on your hands with fingers crossed and hoping that the TEMU coaching panel you've scraped together from ex players you found down the back of the couch in the rec room can pull it off.

If they knew what they were doing, half our current coaching panel would have been sent on their merry way.

 

[bomberclifford]

Another thing that was mentioned after the AGM was the ginormous party that will be held at Alberton when Hinkley finally leaves. Hopefully The Precinct pre-caters for it - otherwise they'll inevitably run out of beer .

UNBELIEVABLY CONNECTED

 

[Duck Farmer]

It was about setting a high aspiration and trying to achieve it rather than just say we will win one. He talked about the great vs good clubs and that in this century Brisbane (3 then lost a GF), Geelong (3 inc losing 1 GF after first), Hawks (lost a GF then won 3) and Richmond (3 ) all won 3 within 5 years before they dropped away and that the club's aspiration was to join that group of clubs not just win one, like in 2004.

I said to you that they should have gone with the aim is to win one premiership and say that if we achieve that, then the goal was to win multiple premierships in a 5 year period like the above clubs.

Ah, so the "AFLW and SANFL flags count as well !!!" was revisionist bullshit that was trotted our after a couple of years of underachieving in the AFL.

Even more reason to despise the insipid regime in charge.

 

[JimmyBC]

It wasn't even setting an audacious target when it was actually three flags in five years across the AFL, AFLW & SANFL so the reality is it was shooting for one in a watered down Gale disguise.

 

[simba_]

it was just about saying something footy-ish that other clubs say. imagine how chuffed they were coming up with 'strategic vision' all by themselves, makes them sound like a New York City Law firm or something

 

[JimmyBC]

Ah, so the "AFLW and SANFL flags count as well !!!" was revisionist bullshit that was trotted our after a couple of years of underachieving in the AFL.

Even more reason to despise the insipid regime in charge.

No that was the aim he's either forgotten, lying or trying to appear as though he's full of high aspirations.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Ah, so the "AFLW and SANFL flags count as well !!!" was revisionist bullshit that was trotted our after a couple of years of underachieving in the AFL.

Even more reason to despise the insipid regime in charge.

I was the first one on here to say its 3 flags across all grades as the way the counter in the February 2021 virtual AGM graphic was, it went 37, 38, 39, 40.

n 2022 I said that it was across 3 grades because to me we count all our premierships not just the AFL ones, as I couldn't see us winning 3 in 5 years.

 

[JimmyBC]

I was the first one on here to say its 3 flags across all grades as the way the counter in the February 2021 virtual AGM graphic was, it went 37, 38, 39, 40.

n 2022 I said that it was across 3 grades because to me we count all our premierships not just the AFL ones, as I couldn't see us winning 3 in 5 years.

There was a graphic they put up that pretty much stated it was across the 3 grades wasn't there?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

There was a graphic they put up that pretty much stated it was across the 3 grades wasn't there?

No it was my interpretation and we had a bit of a debate about it, as you said its 3 AFL flags and I said the way the counter graphic was its got to be 3 across all grades otherwise we wouldn't have had the 37, 38, 39, 40 counter graphic.

Richo has never said to me that it was across 3 grades. Being sarcastic about the club loving Hinkley I just couldn't believe it was for the AFL side only. I may have been wrong in my interpretation of what they were trying to achieve, but I was confident that they wouldn't achieve it at AFL level.

 

[JimmyBC]

No it was my interpretation and we had a bit of a debate about it, as you said its 3 AFL flags and I said the way the counter graphic was its got to be 3 across all grades otherwise we wouldn't have had the 37, 38, 39, 40 counter graphic.

Richo has never said to me that it was across 3 grades. Being sarcastic about the club loving Hinkley I just couldn't believe it was for the AFL side only. I may have been wrong in my interpretation of what they were trying to achieve, but I was confident that they wouldn't achieve it at AFL level.

Maybe I'm remembering someone posting an altered graphic lol