List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[tunksy]

I heard he is very slow

RCD with finding the ball too

 

[UpTheGutz]

Nothing sinister behind this query but do juniors get PED tested?

 

[Danog]

Can Bauer be rookie again? Reckon Campbell has well and truly earned a promotion. He's a long term piece imo.

He can. He's played under 10 games. No point elevating Seth until we need to.

 

[Morro]

I dont think that is a big of an issue as many of you made it out to be.

this caper is extremely high octane this time of year and things change very quickly.

he isn't the only person talking about drafts that has had changed views over the last 3 weeks.

AFL draft central have chopped and changed, Twomey has chopped and changed, Knightmare has chopped and changed, but for some reason everyone has been fixated on attacking Cam for literally being no different to everyone else.

Clubs wants and needs change based on who is trading up pick spots.

e.g our player at 1 was probably different before carlton jumped up into pick 3. so that changed in a matter of hours.

combine results and interviews also play a part.

I truly never understood why people tried shooting him down for this when it is pretty much industry standard as the information is so dynamic.

Especially in a year with such an even draft. It's not like we have a Harley Reid type at 1 that everyone will predict correctly.

Fair, would be interesting to know what changed and why though?

 

[Danog]

 

[tigs2010]

He can. He's played under 10 games. No point elevating Seth until we need to.

We have to elevate 1 or 2. Anyone we are forced to?

 

[Morro]

so it accuses you of being Morro ?

This is crazy talk bro, crazy, I am smart as.

First time HS has been factual?

Is this even serious?

Unreal, unbelievable.

The old uno reverse.

 

[_RT_]

Recruiters have labelled 2024 an “extraordinary” draft and Richmond has been left holding the whip hand.
The Tigers had to navigate some “rocky moments” during the trade period and lost some experienced stars in Daniel Rioli, Shai Bolton and Liam Baker.
However, list boss Blair Hartley eventually got what he wanted for the premiership trio and now holds eight of the first 24 selections in next month’s national draft.
“(This is) what we view as a very, very strong draft and as a list manager you’re always looking to position yourselves in those stronger drafts, which sets our club up for what’s next,” Hartley said on Wednesday night.

There has not been a club which has had so many top-end draft picks since Gold Coast (2010) and Greater Western Sydney (2011) were on the verge of entering the competition.
Trades for Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper in 2022 left Richmond with no access to top-end talent the past two years.
The Tigers’ first draft selection in 2022 was Kaleb Smith (pick 49), while they entered last year’s draft by choosing Kane McAulliffe (pick 40).
This year, Richmond has pick 1 — among four of the first 11 selections.
History tells us that not all high draft picks live up to expectations when they graduate from junior footy to the big league.

RICHMOND'S DRAFT HAND​

PICK 1
PICK 6
PICK 10
PICK 11
PICK 18
PICK 20
PICK 23
PICK 24


The last time Richmond had pick 1 was in 2004, when it secured Kyabram flyer Brett Deledio.
The midfielder was a two-time Tigers’ best-and-fairest winner, a two-time All-Australian and served four years as a vice-captain before finishing his career with GWS.
But Deledio was just one of five top-20 picks for the Tigers that year.
The others were Richard Tambling (pick 4), Danny Meyer (pick 12), Adam Pattinson (pick 16) and Dean Polo (pick 20).
Tambling was the only one of that group to play more than 61 games in the yellow and black.
Of course, that was a different era at Punt Rd and Hartley later went on to build a list which won premierships in 2017, 2019 and 2020.
Can he now engineer another premiership push through this draft, perhaps by 2030?
Recruiters have differing opinions on who should be the No. 1 pick this year, but they all agree that this draft is as strong as super glue and has plenty of depth to pick 25 and beyond.
There are also two other big ticks about this draft for the Tigers.



One is that there is something for everyone in the top-30 group – from gun midfielders to promising key position players and damaging smalls at both ends of the ground.
The second is that most of the top-end talent is from Victoria.
Some 25 of the top 30 players in our 2024 Draft Dossier are from Victoria – if you include key forward Jobe Shanahan, who lives just across the New South Wales border in Moama but goes to school in Echuca and has played for the Bendigo Pioneers.
The heavy Victorian cohort means the Tigers can select without fear of the go-home factor, which was key in the departures of West Australian products Bolton and Baker this year.
Just because the trade period is over, that doesn’t mean that Richmond’s picks won’t change between now and November 20.
Hartley hasn’t ruled out further pick swaps, with clubs able to trade picks in the lead up to the draft and on the night.
But if the Tigers hold their current hand, the “what’s next” that the club talks about could look quite exciting in the years to come.

Anything new in these articles or just rehashed stuff?

RICHMOND​

Current Draft Picks: 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20, 23, 24

The Tigers would be licking their lips as they eye an extraordinary haul in next month’s national draft.

Richmond holds eight of the first 24 selections after maximising deals for departing premiership stars Shai Bolton, Daniel Rioli and Liam Baker during the trade period.

The draft hand provides the Tigers with plenty of scope to bring in a core group of players who will hopefully be able to lead the club over the next 10 to 12 years.

Sam Lalor is an early favourite to be the No. 1 pick, as a powerful midfielder-forward who has modelled his game on Dustin Martin and Jordan De Goey.


After that, the Tigers could look to select a range of different types of players.

On-ballers Jagga Smith, Josh Smillie and Finn O’Sullivan have all caught Richmond’s attention, while defenders Tobie Travaglia and Luke Trainor, half-forward Taj Hotton and Jesse Dattoli and key position twins Jack and Matt Whitlock would be among a group of others firmly on the radar.

List boss Blair Hartley and his recruiting team have plenty of decisions to make.

 

[Michaels]

Fair, would be interesting to know what changed and shy though?

100%

I'm keen to know those answers like everyone else, so it's definitely something worthy to discuss.

My hope / wish is for people to just take stock a bit and understand that he isn't alone with change of views on who is being drafted where.

and reality is that even post tonight, he will likely have more changes before draft night.

All folks need to do is check out the drafts board on BF and they will see that even all the punters there have multiple versions of mock drafts happening.

unfortunately this is just the one topic, along with trades that is very hard to have absolute answers on.

I just hope people remember that.

 

[UpTheGutz]

If we sign a single DFA who isn’t an insurance ruck, as a rookie, I’ll spit.

We have 7 multiple premiership players left, 8 if Kamdyn stays, Taranto & Hopper. We don’t need dead space babysitters taking up precious list spots

 

[Danog]

We have to elevate 1 or 2. Anyone we are forced to?

None forced. Bauer or Seth are most likely. Bauer because he'll play more than 2 games this year (taking him over 10, which requires an upgrade from 4th year onwards), you'd think. Seth because of performance + needing to be elevated at the end of next year anyway.

 

[Karp3_dm]

like I put in the pod thread, I'll give fair warning here too.

Anyone trolling in the live chat will just be banned on the spot.

Like I have always said, don't have to agree with views or opinions but you do need to be respectful, especially whenever we have guests on from any walk of life.

Can you ask him to settle the FOS vs Jagga debate once and for all?

 

[Morro]

If we sign a single DFA who isn’t an insurance ruck, as a rookie, I’ll spit.

We have 7 multiple premiership players left, 8 if Kamdyn stays, Taranto & Hopper. We don’t need dead space babysitters taking up precious list spots

There isnt anyone that jumps out which is a shame

 

[Wally Matera]

I dont think that is a big of an issue as many of you made it out to be.

this caper is extremely high octane this time of year and things change very quickly.

he isn't the only person talking about drafts that has had changed views over the last 3 weeks.

AFL draft central have chopped and changed, Twomey has chopped and changed, Knightmare has chopped and changed, but for some reason everyone has been fixated on attacking Cam for literally being no different to everyone else.

Clubs wants and needs change based on who is trading up pick spots.

e.g our player at 1 was probably different before carlton jumped up into pick 3. so that changed in a matter of hours.

combine results and interviews also play a part.

I truly never understood why people tried shooting him down for this when it is pretty much industry standard as the information is so dynamic.

Especially in a year with such an even draft. It's not like we have a Harley Reid type at 1 that everyone will predict correctly.

Look the way l see it... if people are willing to listen to T71, they're prepared to listen to any old shit.

Play on, looking forward to hearing it.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

If we sign a single DFA who isn’t an insurance ruck, as a rookie, I’ll spit.

We have 7 multiple premiership players left, 8 if Kamdyn stays, Taranto & Hopper. We don’t need dead space babysitters taking up precious list spots

Not sure we’ve been linked to any have we?


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[Michaels]

Can you ask him to settle the FOS vs Jagga debate once and for all?

The only one who can settle it is Blair.

Will definitely get his viewa though

 

[THE_GUN]

no way I am sacrificing 6 for futures.

they want six for a reason, the players available are better than normal

WHY !!!!!

Why Not ?
If the players we rate at #6 are off the board and we are not in love with a particular player that we rate 7 or better
with picks #10 & #11 still available for the players we rate why should we just take a player we dont rate when we have options to move back to a range where we get value or above value for pick #6 and just take our #10 & #11 for the players we want.

e.g Trade pick #6 for Gws #15 , #16 , #21
Then we can either take 15 & 16 along with 10 & 11 and trade out 18 , 20 , 23 , 24 into F1's in 2025 giving Richmond 5 1st rounders under 20 and our 2nd rounder so 6 picks under 25 AGAIN !!!
whilst taking #1 , #10 , #11 , #15 , #16 this year

We cannot have tunnel vision and just think about this years draft this rebuild is going to take 3-4 years and we need 20 to draft kids coming into this club in the next 4 years to have the depth for sustained success

Pick #6 is not the holy grail

 

[Wally Matera]

WHY !!!!!

Why Not ?
If the players we rate at #6 are off the board and we are not in love with a particular player that we rate 7 or better
with picks #10 & #11 still available for the players we rate why should we just take a player we dont rate when we have options to move back to a range where we get value or above value for pick #6 and just take our #10 & #11 for the players we want.

e.g Trade pick #6 for Gws #15 , #16 , #21
Then we can either take 15 & 16 along with 10 & 11 and trade out 18 , 20 , 23 , 24 into F1's in 2025 giving Richmond 5 1st rounders under 20 and our 2nd rounder so 6 picks under 25 AGAIN !!!
whilst taking #1 , #10 , #11 , #15 , #16 this year

We cannot have tunnel vision and just think about this years draft this rebuild is going to take 3-4 years and we need 20 to draft kids coming into this club in the next 4 years to have the depth for sustained success

Pick #6 is not the holy grail

Trading out pick 6 for any F1 is just pure nonsense. We could get another 2 x F1's by using 23 & 24.

 

[THE_GUN]

I'm of the opinion that we keep 6 & 18 for the exact reasons that North want them. Yes, they've drafted a truckload of mids over the last 5 years and have left themselves light on for quality KPP's.

We haven't had any real access to 1st round picks and need to draft in talent all over the ground, to me that means getting in bulk talent and this is the draft to do it.

Take the players at 6 & 18 that North are eyeing off.

If the deal for #2 for #6 + #18 happens great if its for #6 + #20 even better but if we dont rate Smille / Langford at #6
i rather trade it out to GWS and i wouldnt be too upset with the following haul
#1 - Lalor
#10 - Allan
#11 - Travaglia
#15 - Berry
#16 - Hotton
#18 - Hannaford
#20 - Shannahan / Faull / Gerreyn / or another player we rate

Still allows for 3 picks #21 , #23 , #24 to be traded into 2025

 

[tigs2010]

Trading out pick 6 for any F1 is just pure nonsense. We could get another 2 x F1's by using 23 & 24.

Only club I'd trade 6 for their F1 is us.

 

[db26]

Reckon we should plug a few from the sanfl, wafl ,and vfl not much to get excited about delistings from other clubs.

 

[Wally Matera]

If the deal for #2 for #6 + #18 happens great if its for #6 + #20 even better but if we dont rate Smille / Langford at #6
i rather trade it out to GWS and i wouldnt be too upset with the following haul
#1 - Lalor
#10 - Allan
#11 - Travaglia
#15 - Berry
#16 - Hotton
#18 - Hannaford
#20 - Shannahan / Faull / Gerreyn / or another player we rate

Still allows for 3 picks #21 , #23 , #24 to be traded into 2025

Please dont think l'm trying to shut your thinking down, l'll listen to anything (bar Mr Magic).

However, if - from the draft position we currently have - we walked away with that haul, l'd probably throw up. 2 x top 6 selections and our first two are Lalor and Allen... that would just about be me done.

 

[Wally Matera]

Only club I'd trade 6 for their F1 is us.

Exactly.

 

[THE_GUN]

Please dont think l'm trying to shut your thinking down, l'll listen to anything (bar Mr Magic).

However, if - from the draft position we currently have - we walked away with that haul, l'd probably throw up. 2 x top 6 selections and our first two are Lalor and Allen... that would just about be me done.

Happy to see your list with the picks we currently hold

 

[db26]

We're does Zaydyn Lockwood sit from our academy big boy 198 cm KD Bern consistent for Bendigo