List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[THE THIN MAN]

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Money will corrupt you, give me the money instead and save yourself.

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

I had a go at a phantom draft from 1-11 (excluding academy picks and father sons because they are inconsequential).
I have included Richmond trading up for North's 2 with a swap of 6 and something else.

Having looked at the needs of teams picking in this zone, I think that we can benefit from a couple of factors, which may cause some high-quality mids to slide to us at picks 10 and 11.
These are:
1) North, the Dees and the Saints should be in the market for talls, of which there are 2 obvious standouts, leading them to jump a bit early.
2) Many of the teams picking mids (Eg: Carlton, Adelaide, St Kilda) are currently somewhat one-paced through the midfield and are likely looking for players with speed/acceleration/agility to suit the modern game, who can burst out of contest, or damage with speed of hands.
3) St Kilda and Melbourne both already drafted first round wingers last year. (Wilson and Windsor)

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Pick 1) Richmond
What Richmond needs: Best midfielders available, hopefully a mix that can be dynamic.

Verdict: Sam Lalor
Why? Because the tigers interviewed him a tonne of times and love him, plus he’s been widely reported as the early favourite. Leadership potential and X factor.



Pick 2) Richmond (traded from North for 6 + something else)
What Richmond needs: Best midfielders available, hopefully a mix that can be dynamic.

Verdict: Jagga Smith
Why? Best midfielder all year. Has a complimentary skillset to Lalor. Pure midfielder, who is from Richmond, with leadership potential, who has dominated for our VFL team. I think we will also consider FOS but I certainly think there is a greater risk around him, because he did struggle to find it a bit this year. I also think that Jagga compliments Lalor better, meaning we gain a smart accumulator/distributor and also a damaging X factor player.



Pick 3 ) Carlton
What Carlton needs: Midfield running power. Carlton are in their window but can definitely look a bit one paced in the midfield at times. They want someone who can impact quickly, and can help them win finals. They need someone with acceleration and smarts when bursting away from the contest.

Verdict: Sid Draper
Why? Carlton will probably look at both Draper and FOS here. Draper looks more ready-made to me, and I think will carry less risk and probably take less time to fit into the currently-contending Carlton team. I think FOS might take a while to fit into league level, coming off an interrupted year but should also be a gun in time.



Pick 4) Adelaide
What Adelaide needs: Midfield Speed. Adelaide’s midfield is pretty crap after Dawson. They’d love a classy all-around accumulator type mid (Jagga), or someone with good agility and acceleration from the contest (Draper) who can impact sooner rather than later.

Verdict: Finn O’Sullivan
Why? Unfortunately for the crows both Jagga and Draper are off the board. If either falls they would get taken here. I think FOS just has too much potential for the crows to skip on this pick and it's still a great fit. He has great speed and agility at the contest, which is what they need, but I think they’d prefer someone who can slot straight into the ones, whereas I think Finn takes a bit more time to develop.



Pick 5) Melbourne
What Melbourne needs: Midfield depth and/or Key Position Forward. Their attack was rubbish this year, but with Clarry and Petracca likely leaving at some point, they’ll probably also want to get another young mid brought in on an apprenticeship under them. Brayshaw replacement.

Verdict: Armstrong / Tauru
Why? Melbourne gets another bite at pick 9, where they can take one of the numerous good mids who can slide, they’ve got no first rounder next year, and I think if their current developing talls don’t come on, they’ll be screwed unless they bring a good tall forward in this draft. Good talls are scarce in the top end of this draft, and both North and Saints would likely take Tauru or Armstrong with the next two picks if they don’t strike here first.



Pick 6) North (received from Richmond along with something else for pick 2)
What North needs: Key position talls.

Verdict: Armstrong / Tauru
Why? It's been well publicised that north love Tauru, I think he'd be a great fit if still available. If not, Armstrong would be terrific for them to take some heat off Larkey and develop under Darling.



Pick 7) St Kilda
What St Kilda needs: Midfield/Forward Speed and Class with attacking mindset, and/or a key position tall

Verdict: Bo Allan
Why? The saints get 2 picks here so disregard the order of these 2. I think they will either:
a) get 2 top midfielders
B) get 1 midfielder and 1 key position tall
C) get 1 midfielder and a small forward

When I look at the saints mids, I think that they have a lot of physicality, defensiveness and strength, eg: Marshall, Steele, Windhager, Macrae, Stocker, Phillipou, Owens. However they lack speed and an attacking minded mid who can break away from the contest. The best mids still available for them at this pick include Langford, Allen, Smillie and Lindsay.

Langford is a big body with question marks over his speed, so I don't think this gives them much of a point of difference.
Smillie is a big body as well, not exceptionally quick, with question marks over his combativeness. I think the saints have just moved past the development period of Phillipou and Owen's, where they've been growing into their body's and will look for someone who can impact in sooner, rather than taking another 'manchild' type mid who may take another couple of years to develop. Therefore they pass on Smillie. The saints drafted Wilson early last year, so that's why I think they pass on Lindsay.

I think Bo Allen is a perfect fit for St Kilda. An all round good midfielder with great accelerate out of the contest. Also has ferocity and great defensiveness which Ross Lyon will love. I'm big on Allen and don't think the saints will overlook him. I deffinitely can't see him getting past the tigers at 10.



Pick 8) St Kilda
What St Kilda needs: Midfield/Forward Speed and Class, and/or a key position tall

Verdict: Hotton / Trainor
Why? The saints have just lost Battle and Membrey. Both Wilkie and King need support desperately. I think the saints could easily draft the best remaining tall available in Trainor, who could be a genuine swing man.

Otherwise, they could draft again with a focus on speed and footy smarts, supporting Higgins as a small forward by going with Hotton, who I have also seen linked to the saints. I reckon they will bid on Kako, and might settle for Hotton.

Smillie, Langford and Lindsay are not picked again, for the same reasons listed above.



Pick 9) Melbourne
What Melbourne needs: Midfield depth and/or Key Position Forward. Their scoring was rubbish this year, but with Clarry and Petracca likely leaving at some point, they’ll probably want to get another young mid-in on an apprenticeship. Brayshaw replacement.

Verdict: Josh Smillie
Why? The Dee's have already taken Armstrong as a tall and won't leave the draft without at least 1 top mid. They have long been linked to Smillie and I can't see him falling past here. The Dee's would be thrilled with both Armstrong and Smillie, and he could learn from the best imposing mids in Petracca and Clarry.

Langford is also an option, but the it's well publicised the Dee's are keen on Smillie. So I think out of the two big body's they would go for him. They also took Windsor early last year so I think they will pass on taking another winger like Lindsay.



Pick 10) Richmond
What Richmond needs: Best midfielders available, hopefully a mix that can be dynamic.

Verdict: Harvey Langford
Why? The Tigers have holes everywhere so are somewhat privileged in not needing to draft specifically based on position. Yes they need tall forwards, but with a glut of late first rounders they can bring in some talls then. Likewise, many of the teams above will prioritise mids who have breakaway speed from contest as a point of difference. Langford may not be quick, but he is too good to leave at this point, the tiges snap up the lifelong Richmond fan.



Pick 11) Richmond
What Richmond needs: Best midfielders available, hopefully a mix that can be dynamic.

Verdict: Xavier Lindsay
Why? Again, another sliding mid who based on talent could go anywhere from pick 5. I think he slides based on the 4 picks which are held by both the Dee's and saints, who drafted wingers in Windsor and Wilson respectively in last year's draft. The tigers would be stoked with Lindsay, who compliments their early midfield selections by providing some outside class and footy smarts.




Interested to hear what people think. I'm clearly biased, but I also think this is entirely possible. in my opinion, this would just about be Richmond's perfect start to the draft I think, with all 4 talented mids offering different/complimentary skillsets.

As long as we pick J.Smith.

 

[THE_GUN]

I cant wait for the melts during the draft

 

[wormy]

Good summary … thanks for the effort. I think there’s zero chance Smillie and Langford both last beyond 8. Maybe one slides… but I even highly doubt that. I also think FOS goes at #3 if available. At his best he’s precisely what Carlton need … even if he’s not an accumulator in future it doesn’t matter … they need class around the ball and half forward and he’s got that in spades.


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Thanks mate, I agree it'd be likely that Landford and Smillie get taken earlier.

Moreso, I wanted to demonstrate how a bit of an early jump for talls between North, St Kilda and Melbourne could elongate the slide of some of the top mids.

And secondly, how the priorities of teams to draft 'speed out of the contest' style mids would be a priority for Carlton, St kilda and Adelaide, leaving slower, bigger bodies to potentially slide a bit.

It's a bit of a dream, but I think think it's entirely possible

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[wormy]

Don't know what others think, but I'd be stoked with that haul, might be a few picks different, like the Dees take the best available mid at 5 then a small forward at 9 (Berry) or a player like Lindsay who also has a deadly foot.

I don't think that we'd trade pick 6 and another 1st round pick to snag Jagger at 2 as he could still be on the board at 6.

What the trading period identified to me was that teams we're keen on HBF's and intercepting defenders, could be that they were the only types available.

Yze stated from the outset that he wants highly skilled players, in particular those that can deliver by foot with precision, vision and penetration and realistically that's what all coaches want, of course mixed with the other highly rated traits like ball winning ability, 2 way players, leadership and last but by no means least, competitiveness.

From what I can see there's a standout 4 players that fit that criteria and in no particular order, Lindsay who can play wing, HBF and transition into the midfield, Langford as a high HF also transitioning to the mids, Berry who could be similar but more a Lambert style and Harrison Oliver who's delivery by foot is outstanding, his courage and competitiveness are standout traits. Smillie could be classed here but just a step down.

My hope is that Armstrong, Tauru and Travaglia get taken by those teams above us between picks 5-9 and that we take Langford at 6, I know he tested slow but he just seems to make the most of his positioning and is a real force forward of centre. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dees take Smillie before that, the Saints probably can't pass on Jagga at 7 or 8 and then take Travaglia, Trainor or Armstrong with their next pick. Reckon the Dees might trade out 5 to North who'll take Tauru, meaning Smillie might be available at 9. We could then pick up Lindsay and Hotton and bank on Oliver slipping to 18.

Something like this if we keep 6, ignoring F/S's and Academy picks (Dees trade 5 for 2)

1. Lalor (Tigers)
2. FOS (Dees)
3. Draper (Blues)
4. Jagga (Crows)
5. Tauru (North)
6. Langford (Tigers)
7. Smillie (Saints)
8. Armstrong (Saints)
9. Travaglia (Dees)
10. Lindsay (Tigers)
11. Hotton/Berry (Tigers)
18 Harrison Oliver (Tigers)
20. Kayle Gerreyn (Tigers)
23. Trainor (Tigers)
24. Keep trading back for F1 and F2's

One thing to consider from your analysis is that melbourne only has pick 5 and 9 in this draft and no future first. So I can't see what resources they would use to get from 5 to 2, as they would need some extra value to give to north.

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[Groupie_]

why none of the kids said lalor will go number 1?

reckon in this draft there could be plenty of duds

ive seen this movie before

 

[wormy]

Guys, get it through your thick heads. We're not taking Jagga unless he gets to pick 6.

Even then it would only be if Lalor, FOS, Draper, Langford, Smillie, Hotton, Armstrong, Tauru, Allan and Lindsay are all gone.

Why do you hate the idea of drafting the best performing mid all year? Especially of we were to get picks 1 and 2

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[tigerfan1961]

Why do you hate the idea of drafting the best performing mid all year? Especially of we were to get picks 1 and 2

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Because he and many others rate FOS and Lalor as the best players available in this draft for the long term. I agree with him fwiw

 

[Nostradumbass]

why none of the kids said lalor will go number 1?

reckon in this draft there could be plenty of duds

ive seen this movie before

Heard they're all jealous of him

 

[Groupie_]

Heard they're all jealous of him

that or hes a flog in the mould of matt dillon in something about mary

 

[tigerdan]

The 1982 version with Kurt Russell is the best

The Thing (1982) ⭐ 8.2 | Horror, Mystery, Sci-Fi

1h 49m | R

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[My Cotchin Rules]

Why do you hate the idea of drafting the best performing mid all year? Especially of we were to get picks 1 and 2

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There will be alot of delicious melts in here when we hear J.Smith called out first on draft night... cant wait

 

[Coach_Required]

I cant wait for the melts during the draft

I dont mind melts about which players we get, I do hope to see North Melts when we tell them to GAGF.

 

[Coach_Required]

why none of the kids said lalor will go number 1?

reckon in this draft there could be plenty of duds

ive seen this movie before

Yep, Carlton will draft Lalor and half the people in here will melt only to find out he ends up the biggest dud of them all.

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

Yep, Carlton will draft Lalor and half the people I here will melt only to find out he ends up the biggest dud of them all.

Couldn't happen to a better club

 

[Wrenny]

New trade:

• Richmond gives North pick 6
• North gives Richmond pick 2, it's F1 and the "Kanga Kanga Kanga" supporters

 

[Sir_Loin]

why none of the kids said lalor will go number 1?

reckon in this draft there could be plenty of duds

ive seen this movie before

Remember the Deledio draft year? Haha good times

 

[Barunga Bullet]

New trade:

• Richmond gives North pick 6
• North gives Richmond pick 2, it's F1 and the "Kanga Kanga Kanga" supporters

Why would they trade all their members? The club would fold

 

[_RT_]

Money will corrupt you, give me the money instead and save yourself.

You can have all my winnings tonight

 

[djspank]

Let's give a F1st to North and call it a day

 

[Mr Magic]

Don't know what others think, but I'd be stoked with that haul, might be a few picks different, like the Dees take the best available mid at 5 then a small forward at 9 (Berry) or a player like Lindsay who also has a deadly foot.

I don't think that we'd trade pick 6 and another 1st round pick to snag Jagger at 2 as he could still be on the board at 6.

What the trading period identified to me was that teams we're keen on HBF's and intercepting defenders, could be that they were the only types available.

Yze stated from the outset that he wants highly skilled players, in particular those that can deliver by foot with precision, vision and penetration and realistically that's what all coaches want, of course mixed with the other highly rated traits like ball winning ability, 2 way players, leadership and last but by no means least, competitiveness.

From what I can see there's a standout 4 players that fit that criteria and in no particular order, Lindsay who can play wing, HBF and transition into the midfield, Langford as a high HF also transitioning to the mids, Berry who could be similar but more a Lambert style and Harrison Oliver who's delivery by foot is outstanding, his courage and competitiveness are standout traits. Smillie could be classed here but just a step down.

My hope is that Armstrong, Tauru and Travaglia get taken by those teams above us between picks 5-9 and that we take Langford at 6, I know he tested slow but he just seems to make the most of his positioning and is a real force forward of centre. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dees take Smillie before that, the Saints probably can't pass on Jagga at 7 or 8 and then take Travaglia, Trainor or Armstrong with their next pick. Reckon the Dees might trade out 5 to North who'll take Tauru, meaning Smillie might be available at 9. We could then pick up Lindsay and Hotton and bank on Oliver slipping to 18.

Something like this if we keep 6, ignoring F/S's and Academy picks (Dees trade 5 for 2)

1. Lalor (Tigers)
2. FOS (Dees)
3. Draper (Blues)
4. Jagga (Crows)
5. Tauru (North)
6. Langford (Tigers)
7. Smillie (Saints)
8. Armstrong (Saints)
9. Travaglia (Dees)
10. Lindsay (Tigers)
11. Hotton/Berry (Tigers)
18 Harrison Oliver (Tigers)
20. Kayle Gerreyn (Tigers)
23. Trainor (Tigers)
24. Keep trading back for F1 and F2's

why would they trade 2 for 5 when they can pick the same player at 2 that they would at 5? so why trade at all?

 

[Wrenny]

The mongrel punts phantom 1st round. No trades and a bit of editing needed.

2. Sam Lalor
7. Murphy Reid
12. Alix Tauru
13. Tobie Travaglia
22. Jobe Shanahan
24. Jonty Faull
27. Alex Dodson

The Wolfman's 2024 Phantom Draft - V 2.0 - The Mongrel Punt

Phantom Draft time, and nobody knows the field as well as The Wolfman. Here are his picks ahead of the 2025 AFL Draft

themongrelpunt.com

 

[Mr Magic]

I have a question

North is looking to split pick 2 or get something else for 2 at least

Most clubs do not have RFC bevy of picks. What does that mean?? all things being equal advantage to RFC as other clubs do not have our pick value flexibility

So why does RFC not look at trading up to pick 4 or 5 or 7 or 8 or 9 using their later picks in the twenties as part compo for moving up? why be bewitched by North? We still know what we want and what do other clubs want that suits us?

Why would Adelaide, or Saint Kilda or Melbourne not look at a different combo?? I am not suggesting throwing the baby out with the bathwater but can we get a better chance of getting the main players we want at minimal cost to who we are chasing?

We cannot have everything but it would be good to have more of what we mostly want I think. Does this mean moving up but in moderation on balance?

The other thing is it is not just about North.

Basically there are a number of clubs in the top ten chasing draftees including RFC. What do the other clubs want? Can we help each other out. The thing for RFC to is we have thE opportunity to get some quality in that have a good chance to bond and gel because, at the day, the game is about winning premierships in a team format, not simply collecting draft talent

 

[prodigy]

why none of the kids said lalor will go number 1?

reckon in this draft there could be plenty of duds

ive seen this movie before

You need therapy

 

[Frank Grimes]

I have a question

North is looking to split pick 2 or get something else for 2 at least

Most clubs do not have RFC bevy of picks. What does that mean?? all things being equal advantage to RFC as other clubs do not have our pick value flexibility

So why does RFC not look at trading up to pick 4 or 5 or 7 or 8 or 9 using their later picks in the twenties as part compo for moving up?

Why would Adelaide, or Saint Kilda or Melbourne not look at a different combo?? I am not suggesting throwing the baby out with the bathwater but can we get a better chance of getting the main players we want at minimal cost to who we are chasing?

We cannot have everything but it would be good to have more of what we mostly want I think. Does this mean moving up but in moderation on balance?

The other thing is it is not just about North.

Basically there are a number of clubs in the top ten chasing draftees including RFC. What do the other clubs want? Can we help each other out. The thing for RFC to is we have thE opportunity to get some quality in that have a good chance to bond and gel because, at the day, the game is about winning premierships in a team format, not simply collecting draft talent

I personally wouldn't trade anything more than 6+20 for their pick 2.

Firstly there isn't a massive gap in talent between 2 and 6. There is no massive standout to trade up much for. Pick 2 isn't going to get us a significantly better player. It will just give us the first choice of a relatively even talent of the first 6-7 players of similar quality.

Secondly, which other club could realistically offer something better than the offer of 6 + 20? Saints and Melbourne are not going going to offer both their top 10 picks. The offer of 6 + 20 is better than GWS picks 15 +16.

Frankly I'm happy to walk to the draft with what we have.