List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[THE_GUN]

I’m not making things up. I’m not doubting the other offers. I just think we paid far too much and should have walked away. There were other deals to be done.

We have 8 picks and would have had 12/13 picks
they get wiped out if you dont have the list spots
whats the use of rubbish picks if you cant use them

 

[bc27]

Concussion history may well become (or already is) the single biggest red flag for a prospect possible and nearly see some absolute gun prospects slide right back or in some situations completely overlooked.

 

[poppa pump]

North Melbourne won't be trading its F1st.

Please stop asking.

Thank you.

are u Sadam Hussein's minister 4 propaganda.

 

[bc27]

North have “checked in” on FOS a few times this week. This either means:

1. They are warming to taking him or/

2. They are bluffing and want everyone to up their offer.

Teams love the games this time of the year. They will contact certain prospects managers to stir rumours that they looking in one direction to hopefully build interest from certain clubs to raise his stocks to take another prospect later in the draft.
Some teams will not even speak to a prospect they really like.

Richmond’s strength of draft hand almost means we control the first round and we will be as tight lipped as ever.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Personally I am not very high on Armstrong or Tauru.

Armstrong is very one dimensional and played in quality teams all year that gave him silver service. He’s undersized and not a crazy athlete.
He’s a no for me.

Tauru is nice athlete. But his decision making is just plain bad. His execution of skills under pressure was something that was really suspect aswell. A lot of people on here are claiming the Alex Rance comparisons which is fair to an extent. The hard part for Tauru is that Rancey had the mentality of an absolute warrior and the most determined competitive instinct I’ve ever seen. His drive on the training track was all time.
These attributes aren’t measured at combines and are going to be extremely rare to find. So the likely hood that Tauru can develop this isn’t likely.

Personally I’ve always fallen back on the one thing that can not be taught or trained. And that’s height and size.
Whitlocks have this and the combo of agility skill and size is really exciting.

Gerryn is also a really underrated prospect and is in my personal top 15.

Agree on Armstrong. Taruru will be a star.

 

[Muddiemoose]

We have 8 picks and would have had 12/13 picks
they get wiped out if you dont have the list spots
whats the use of rubbish picks if you cant use them

Yup.

And at the end of the day even if we did “over pay” due to the points value when you make deals sometimes that’s how it pans out to get the outcome we wanted

It’s better to make a decision and slightly overpay but still make progress instead of potentially trying to nickel and dime/ trying to find a better deal but having the other party pull out and being left with nothing at all

 

[TigerTime88]

Also is Lalor deciding to go play cricket if it gets too hard and the Hammys don’t hold up a worry, especially being a number one pick?

The de goey comparison is a concern more than a postive in my mind.
Lalor is on the heavy side for a mid and de goey can hardly stay on the park for a big portion of his career.
Blokes like petracca are one in a thousand and his work off the track is second to none.
Is Lalor that commited? Will it be easier to fall back to another sport if his body doesn’t hold up?

The good thing is the recruiters will know all this info and will make the informed decision. Sounds like a great kid from all reports.

 

[THE_GUN]

Yup.

And at the end of the day even if we did “over pay” due to the points value when you make deals sometimes that’s how it pans out to get the outcome we wanted

It’s better to make a decision and slightly overpay but still make progress instead of potentially trying to nickel and dime/ trying to find a better deal but having the other party pull out and being left with nothing at all

The thing is there was no better deal available

Only other thing we could have done was to use the picks in getting deals done for Rioli , Bolton & Baker
which we didnt need to do in the end and received the best possible result without the picks

If we still held the picks all we would have been doing is trying to off load them by using the picks to move up some of the later picks which really wouldn't have been possible either.

Sure i think we also over paid slightly at the time thinking why did we need to involve #32 but when the Melbourne news broke and they had 1600+ points on the table it all made sense on why we had to pay 2000 points

 

[richoatthedisco]

We have Hammy McGee PhD on board rather than Machete Meehan which gives me confidence we've done our due diligence.

The Lalor type player is the most difficult "piece" (hi richoatthedisco) to find in a midfield build so can see why you just grab him and run.

 

[Rubber Hips]

Off AFL website

Biggest hit: Nathan Broady pick 67, 2015
Biggest miss: Corey Ellis

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Corey Ellis

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28

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184cm

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81kg

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12.7

3star

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8.4

3star

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3.6

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4.8

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2.0

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2.0

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pick 12, 2014 (aka Aurora Corealis)
The Tigers were one of the League's dominant forces for the majority of this time period, limiting their access to the very top echelon of talent, but they still had their share of hits to top off their premiership list build. WA product Broad was the best of these, joining Richmond with a late pick in 2015. Five years later, he was a triple premiership player. Shai Boltonpick 29, 2016) and Jack Grahampick 53, 2016) arrived the following year and have also outperformed their draft rankings. Richmond has traded several of its top picks for established talent but one of their few top-15 picks, Corey Ellis

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Corey Ellis

Age

28

Ht

184cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

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Career

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Last 5

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12.7

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6.4

3star

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6.4

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2.5

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2.4

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8.4

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3.6

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4.8

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M

2.0

3star

T

2.0

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failed to fire, as did fellow ball-winner Riley Collier-Dawkins (pick 20 in 2018)

Your club's biggest draft hit and miss since 2014

Who's been a success story? Who's been a bust? We look back over the past decade of drafts to find your club's hits and misses

www.afl.com.au

 

[Mr Magic]

My view is that either we approached Norf, or the other way around, and they spoke about what Norf would accept to part with pick 2. We or they clearly weren’t happy with what was discussed and spoke about what would be required to get it done.
In my opinion, based on the info from C4[2]Yo`DooR , who has been a very reliable poster in the past, we have been talking to Port about pick 10. Why would we be doing that unless it’s part of a deal to secure pick 2, there’s zero incentive for us to boost our number of selections in the draft and why would we want to slide from 10 to 13? To hear the Giants are also involved tells me a broad outline of what the deal looks like has been agreed upon by us and Norf but we need to involve other clubs to make it happen. And Norf moving players to the rookie list freeing up main list spots tells me they are going to split 2 for more picks in this draft.
Posters need to sit back and wait for negotiations to be completed and we will learn in due course what we pay. Blair is a fair but tough negotiator and I’m sure we will walk away with the best deal we can do. I’ll be very surprised if we don’t end up with 1,2 and 6 but it’s going to cost us more than pick 10 for certain. Giants will have to get something out of the deal and I suspect 11 will go too but maybe we keep 13 from Port?
But I’m not going to get worked up over it, if we get 2 and keep 1 & 6, I won’t be too upset.

don't think that is happening.

no idea, I am reading between the lines.

maybe we are trading pick 6 out possibly but only if we are trying to get one of 7 or 8 from the Saints beforehand involving picks from GWS and help with Port?

My take is North is more interested in pick 6 than RFC necessarily are but we do not want to cut our nose off despite our face and looking to maybe replace 6 with a pick from trom the Saints using trades with GWS and Port possibly

for example 11 to 13 plus pick 29, 10 to 8 lose pick 29 so then we have 8 and 13 instead of 10 and 11 involving Port and Saints

then maybe trade 6 and 23 for pick 2

maybe we trade 13 to GWS for 15 and get pick 37

 

[bc27]

The good thing is the recruiters will know all this info and will make the informed decision. Sounds like a great kid from all reports.

Agree but in my opinion bigger body mids at junior level have had less of an impact of recent times. Gold coasts Humphry is a close example. Kid has talent but has struggled to have a consistent impact at afl level.

Another little concern I have for Lalor is that his tackling is ferocious and a huge factor in his game. But he is going to have to tone down the aggression on his tackling a lot as he will be missing a lot of footy if he can’t.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Ok hear me out.

As it stands we hold 1/3 of the picks in the first 24. So how do we cash in and get the best value?

Well let's look at the rumours

• North wants to split pick 2 to get at least 2 picks in R1.
• Saints looking to split pick 8 for multiple 1s.
• Port interested in getting 10 off us as part of a multi team deal with 13 involved.
• GWS possibly involved in the multi team trade and have 15 16 & 21 to deal with.

So here's my plan

FOOK EM ALL

Hold all our picks until the night of the draft and let North come to us when pick 2 is on the clock, desperately looking to trade and get pick 2, their F1 & F2 in 2025 to get pick 11 & 23. Take it or leave it.

Then, when the Saints are on the clock at pick 8 and are looking to trade the deal is pick 8 & 32 for 18 & 20

Now that we've got pick 8 we call GWS and tell them 10 & 24 is on the table for 15 16 & 37.

Essendon having matched a bid for Kako are looking at getting back into the draft and with Melbourne a good chance of fighting us for the spoon as they implode we want the Dees 2025 R1 for 16

Final draft hand is:
1 2 6 8 15 32 & 37 in 2024
1. Lalor
2. FOS
6. Smillie
8. Reid
15. Best Available KPP
32. Best Available KPP/Ruck
37. Davidson
Spot open for SSP

2025:
Our 1st & 2nd
Norths F1 & F2
Dees F1

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Some good points RT and some I wouldn't do.

This draft is super strong and we must concentrate on this draft. Next year doing a deal for one first rounder is fine.
So doing a deal with North for what you said works well and Saints also. The rest gws and ess deals i say no as the final hand for this draft looks too diluted for my liking giving away back2back picks 10 &11.
1 2 6 8 15 32 & 37 in 2024

This looks stronger.
2024 draft picks.
1, 2, 6, 8, 10, 24, 32 (that's 5 picks in the top 10) and the coveted first pick in the second round (24)

2025 draft hand.
Our first & 2nd
Norths first and 2nd

 

[Frank Grimes]

Personally I am not very high on Armstrong or Tauru.

Armstrong is very one dimensional and played in quality teams all year that gave him silver service. He’s undersized and not a crazy athlete.
He’s a no for me.

Tauru is nice athlete. But his decision making is just plain bad. His execution of skills under pressure was something that was really suspect aswell. A lot of people on here are claiming the Alex Rance comparisons which is fair to an extent. The hard part for Tauru is that Rancey had the mentality of an absolute warrior and the most determined competitive instinct I’ve ever seen. His drive on the training track was all time.
These attributes aren’t measured at combines and are going to be extremely rare to find. So the likely hood that Tauru can develop this isn’t likely.

Personally I’ve always fallen back on the one thing that can not be taught or trained. And that’s height and size.
Whitlocks have this and the combo of agility skill and size is really exciting.

Gerryn is also a really underrated prospect and is in my personal top 15.

Previously, as far as tall forwards go, I really wanted Armstrong, but the more I read up on the draftees I'd actually prefer to take Shanahan over Armstrong now.

 

[RockJobster0312]

The thing is there was no better deal available

Only other thing we could have done was to use the picks in getting deals done for Rioli , Bolton & Baker
which we didnt need to do in the end and received the best possible result without the picks

If we still held the picks all we would have been doing is trying to off load them by using the picks to move up some of the later picks which really wouldn't have been possible either.

Sure i think we also over paid slightly at the time thinking why did we need to involve #32 but when the Melbourne news broke and they had 1600+ points on the table it all made sense on why we had to pay 2000 points

Exactly.

At the end of the day, pick 32 was the premium we paid to ensure Brisbane dealt with us; and was what we could offer that no one else could.

The question has to be what would you rather, pick 20? Or not pick 20 but 32 and a bunch of third and fourth round picks we were never going to use.

 

[Lacustrus]

don't think that is happening.

no idea, I am reading between the lines.

maybe we are trading pick 6 out possibly but only if we are trying to get one of 7 or 8 from the Saints beforehand involving picks from GWS and help with Port?

My take is North is more interested in pick 6 than RFC necessarily are but we do not want to cut our nose off despite our face and looking to maybe replace 6 with a pick from trom the Saints using trades with GWS and Port possibly

for example 11 to 13 plus pick 29, 10 to 8 lose pick 29 so then we have 8 and 13 instead of 10 and 11 involving Port and Saints

then maybe trade 6 and 23 for pick 2

maybe we trade 13 to GWS for 15 and get pick 37

 

[Michaels]

We have 8 picks and would have had 12/13 picks
they get wiped out if you dont have the list spots
whats the use of rubbish picks if you cant use them

Thats they key component here.

We literally would not have used those picks in the 40s due to having all our picks inside 24.

It was an absolute no brainer to do that with 'dead' picks.

Plus we had to entice better than other clubs.

 

[THE_GUN]

Exactly.

At the end of the day, pick 32 was the premium we paid to ensure Brisbane dealt with us; and was what we could offer that no one else could.

The question has to be what would you rather, pick 20? Or not pick 20 but 32 and a bunch of third and fourth round picks we were never going to use.

We were just unlucky Brisbane won the flag
If the finished 4th and had #16 it probably would have cost the same picks

 

[AstuteTiger]

Some good points RT and some I wouldn't do.

This draft is super strong and we must concentrate on this draft. Next year doing a deal for one first rounder is fine.
So doing a deal with North for what you said works well and Saints also. The rest gws and ess deals i say no as the final hand for this draft looks too diluted for my liking giving away back2back picks 10 &11.
1 2 6 8 15 32 & 37 in 2024

This looks stronger.
2024 draft picks.
1, 2, 6, 8, 10, 24, 32 (that's 5 picks in the top 10) and the coveted first pick in the second round (24)

2025 draft hand.
Our first & 2nd
Norths first and 2nd

roos 10
Let me guess the first thing you do in the morning is head over to this thread before heading over to yours lol

On draft night, we are going to ream your kangas and won't even need to use lube

 

[energyquant]

My view is that either we approached Norf, or the other way around, and they spoke about what Norf would accept to part with pick 2. We or they clearly weren’t happy with what was discussed and spoke about what would be required to get it done.
In my opinion, based on the info from C4[2]Yo`DooR , who has been a very reliable poster in the past, we have been talking to Port about pick 10. Why would we be doing that unless it’s part of a deal to secure pick 2, there’s zero incentive for us to boost our number of selections in the draft and why would we want to slide from 10 to 13? To hear the Giants are also involved tells me a broad outline of what the deal looks like has been agreed upon by us and Norf but we need to involve other clubs to make it happen. And Norf moving players to the rookie list freeing up main list spots tells me they are going to split 2 for more picks in this draft.
Posters need to sit back and wait for negotiations to be completed and we will learn in due course what we pay. Blair is a fair but tough negotiator and I’m sure we will walk away with the best deal we can do. I’ll be very surprised if we don’t end up with 1,2 and 6 but it’s going to cost us more than pick 10 for certain. Giants will have to get something out of the deal and I suspect 11 will go too but maybe we keep 13 from Port?
But I’m not going to get worked up over it, if we get 2 and keep 1 & 6, I won’t be too upset.

If Blair can walk away with 1, 2 and 6 then we have a real shot at setting up our midfield for the next 10 years. So many exciting combinations there. I wouldn't be surprised if a F1 pick swap is also involved in any deal, because as an earlier poster said it has very high and certain value.

 

[THE_GUN]

If Blair can walk away with 1, 2 and 6 then we have a real shot at setting up our midfield for the next 10 years. So many exciting combinations there. I wouldn't be surprised if a F1 pick swap is also involved in any deal, because as an earlier poster said it has very high and certain value.

Thats pretty much correct
Lalor - FOS - Smillie /Reid/Langford plus Sharp next year is the midfield for the next 10-12 years

 

[Calcium Man]

You are really making things up here
Melbourne were also in the race to get pick #20 with the points they gave up 1657 points for the St Kilda trade but without the F1.

The only thing we could offer was the extra pick to beat the points Melbourne offered
And the " Threat of the bid" which is a dream BF members think is real

Melbourne didn’t have 46 when the lions trade was done so technically only had 1326 points and we had more points either way.

Add in the fact that if they trade for 20 then the bombers 9 is now available and we were the only club with points. 23 + points and we might have 1, 6, 9, 10, 11, 18, 24.

I agree with sregit that we over payed a bit. I think Blair had a good trade period but he also only met the minimum expectations we all had in September. It’s done now though so we move on.

 

[THE_GUN]

Melbourne didn’t have 46 when the lions was done so technically only had 1326 points and we had more points either way.

Add in the fact that if they trade for 20 then the bombers 9 is now available and we were the only club with points. 23 + points and we might have 1, 6, 9, 10, 11, 18, 24.

I agree with sregit that we over payed a bit. I think Blair had a good trade period but he also only met the minimum expectations we all had in September. It’s done now though so we move on.

They already knew what they were getting for ANB from day 1 and would already have been factored into the equation
The Bombers needed the extra F1 to trade back in after the Kako bid and would only trade that pick for the F1 as a pick this year from us really had no value unless it was #6 so #9 was never an option for Richmond

 

[Mr Magic]

How about this for a idea.

Trade RFC future second and 55 to Brisbane for pick 27 and 34.

Trade 27 to Saint Kilda with pick 11 for pick 8



trade 6 and 23 to North for pick 2.

So end up with 1,2,8, 10, 18, 20, 24, 34

 

[bc27]

I do believe if Kale Gerryn was playing for vic metro or Vic country this year he would be a top 10 pick.

I’m a big for Gerryn @ pick 10 or 11.