List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

[Muddiemoose]

It depends how you look at it..... Fyfe is banged up as his that type. Dusty obviously had alot of off field stuff go wrong for him (not much of a leader). Heeney is way to hot & cold (goes missing in big finals). Heeney has been marked as the next Lethel for how long? His 29 in May...... Butters is consistent, quick & explosive. Neale is a leader & a ball magnet also stands up in finals.
Imo and obviously in the minority but I feel Jagga is the exact type we need. We DONT get hands to the ball first! Not since 2017 & peak dusty. We got mauled by Neale just waltzing it out of the middle in the 2022 EF, people have short memories and delusional thinking Lalor will be the next Dusty FMD lol. Dusty is a generational player! We will be shiaate for the next 4 years we need to go safe bet early then we can take risks with drafts later on. I'd be happy with FOS as pick 1 over Lalor to be honest.

Agree with everything you are saying

I didn’t mean the comparisons as individual comparisons that we will be getting x players

It’s more about would we prefer a pure mid vs a mid fwd

For me it’s a numbers game, it’s easier to find a pure mid but those guys who are threats up forward and in the middle are a lot harder to come by and ultimately have a higher value to the team

 

[baazzaa]

To be honest I don't even know what you guys mean by unbalanced? Effectively we're too big in there so we need a smaller player?? Why??

By unbalanced I mean after losing Rioli, Bolton and Baker, and with Prestia and Short both getting worse at kicking, we now have the slowest, worst disposal team in the modern era.

If we end up playing Lalor in the forward half near year (where he won't see the ball) and pick a slow stoppage player like Langford then that'll remain the case. It'll stunt the development of the kids having such a stoppage-based team besides making us unwatchable.

We have 8 first round picks this year, we will have at least 2 and maybe 3 next year. If you want a small to run all day or whatever it is that will balance our midfield get Lindsay or Moraes or Dattoli etc...

My point is you need to play them, so you can't just draft 6 midfielders. Also I think it's pace and outside class we're desperately missing, not endurance running.

What would be crazy, is try to plan our futures around them

It's not just JH and TT. We have Ross, McAuliffe and Dow who are all slow. Obviously it sucks having a bunch of slow mediocre mids but drafting better versions of them isn't the way out.

IMO if we're going Lalor we should rule out Langford and only get Smillie if he slides.

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

Agree with everything you are saying

I didn’t mean the comparisons as individual comparisons that we will be getting x players

It’s more about would we prefer a pure mid vs a mid fwd

For me it’s a numbers game, it’s easier to find a pure mid but those guys who are threats up forward and in the middle are a lot harder to come by and ultimately have a higher value to the team

100% agree, the powerful mid/fwd type like Petracca, Bont, Dusty are the players that win you big games when on the line. But you also need the high ball winning specialist mid that gets first hands on it & also that's quick. Taranto is not our answer. In fact he suits the more slower mid/fwd type. Jagga has decent speed & can be very slippery, seems he can read the play well & move out of traffic (similar to N.Diacos). His skinny but his 18 and will put on size. Diacos was also skinny when burst on the scene in 2022. I've seen enough of Jagga to know his going to be a jet & a future leader.
Haven't seen much of Lalor due to injuries. Besides his low numbers this year, we at least know FOS was the most dominant of his age bracket last year, so we know it's less risk.
I don't know about this "Sharpe" in 2025, but if he's a big ball winner, then maybe we can go with risk & select Lalor?
However, the big circle jerking & comparisons to Dusty is ridiculous

 

[AstuteTiger]

If there's one video to watch, this is it, includes highlights from when he played for Richmond ressies.

Finn O'Sullivan, what a great insight into his capabilities.
10 minus showcasing his Movement, Marking, Pressure Acts, Disposal, Stoppage & Contest etc

A Lalor and FOS double would be a great get. If we can hold onto pick 6, it's likely that one of Langford, Smillie, or Jagga will make it.

 

[Muddiemoose]

100% agree, the powerful mid/fwd type like Petracca, Bont, Dusty are the players that win you big games when on the line. But you also need the big ball winning that gets first hands on it that's quick. Taranto is not our answer. In fact he suits the more slower mid/fwd type. Jagga has decent speed & can be very slippery, seems he can read the play well & move out of traffic (similar to N.Diacos). His skinny but his 18 and will put on size. Diacos was also skinny when burst on the scene in 2022. I've seen enough of Jagga to know his going to be a jet & a future leader.
Haven't seen much of Lalor due to injuries. Besides his low numbers this year, we at least know FOS was the most dominant of his age bracket last year, so we know it's less risk.
I don't know about this "Sharpe" in 2025, but if he's a big ball winner, then maybe we can go with risk & select Lalor?
However, the big circle jerking & comparisons to Dusty is ridiculous

Once again completely on the same page

The fact that we have such a strong draft position for this draft also has me hoping we can have our cake and eat it too and really set up our midfield with both types of players

I know not everyone agrees but getting pick 2 AND keeping 6 is the play for us

It ensures we can really cover all bases with a combo of Lalor + FOS at 1 or 2 with best pure mid at 6

Or Lalor/FOS at 1 and Jagga at 2 and best available at 6

Sure ultimately it will cost us an extra player coming in via the draft due to needing to package up those picks but due to us having such a strong presence anyway the difference between taking 7 or 8 players within the top 24 is negligible given the gains of those blue chip players

 

[smurfin]

Bingo

It’s all about looking at what positions they will be able to play in the future as well

Jagga will essentially be a full time mid, very handy to have but when we think about the very best players in the comp it’s the guys who can be both mids and threats up forward

They provide versatility and the ability to change key match ups and ultimately win you games best case scenario it comes down to

Would you prefer a Lachie Neale or Butters vs a Dustin Martin, Fyfe or Heeney

I'm going Jagga Smith as the next Neale/Butters.
I don't see there ever being another Dusty.
Lalor's ceiling is Cam Raynor or DeGoey. I'd rather Jagga and/or FOS.

 

[Muddiemoose]

I'm going Jagga Smith as the next Neale/Butters.
I don't see there ever being another Dusty.
Lalor's ceiling is Cam Raynor or DeGoey. I'd rather Jagga and/or FOS.

Fair enough
For me it’s about the potential upside

Sure the risk might be higher but we have enough picks to cover the risk that we might need to “settle” for a Degoey or Raynor

 

[Madtiger2006]

The Green, Campbell, Rioli, Sonsie, Mansell, Reid brigade will be dangerous up forward

 

[Grrr]

If there's one video to watch, this is it, includes highlights from when he played for Richmond ressies.

Finn O'Sullivan, what a great insight into his capabilities.
10 minus showcasing his Movement, Marking, Pressure Acts, Disposal, Stoppage & Contest etc

A Lalor and FOS double would be a great get. If we can hold onto pick 6, it's likely that one of Langford, Smillie, or Jagga will make it.

Looks a very complete player. There may be some risk with the others, but not with him.

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

Once again completely on the same page

The fact that we have such a strong draft position for this draft also has me hoping we can have our cake and eat it too and really set up our midfield with both types of players

I know not everyone agrees but getting pick 2 AND keeping 6 is the play for us

It ensures we can really cover all bases with a combo of Lalor + FOS at 1 or 2 with best pure mid at 6

Or Lalor/FOS at 1 and Jagga at 2 and best available at 6

Sure ultimately it will cost us an extra player coming in via the draft due to needing to package up those picks but due to us having such a strong presence anyway the difference between taking 7 or 8 players within the top 24 is negligible given the gains of those blue chip players

Having 1, 2 & 6 would be a dream.
Infact, if we had those 3, I'd be happy to only take 5 picks. First 3 on mids & the other 2 on KPP.

 

[smurfin]

Fair enough
For me it’s about the potential upside

Sure the risk might be higher but we have enough picks to cover the risk that we might need to “settle” for a Degoey or Raynor

Definitely going to be an interesting draft.
Don't see how we can stuff it up, no matter what we do.

(Then remembers having never heard of Conca before we drafted him...or Samson Ryan....or....)

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Having 1, 2 & 6 would be a dream.
Infact, if we had those 3, I'd be happy to only take 5 picks. First 3 on mids & the other 2 on KPP.

Same thoughts. Don't see the point of swapping 6 and change for 2. Would entertain if the Roos F1 is in the deal. Shit list, sold their home ground advantage, guaranteed bottom 4. it's a win.
If we can somehow wangle 1, 2 and 6 and retain a few late round picks Blair will deserve a knighthood.

 

[Gunit]

Been away for the weekend, there's about 50 extra pages....
Anything actually happened???

We’ve learnt how to pronounce Lalor

 

[Coach_Required]

My position hasn't changed I still think we just hold our picks, I like to put up proposals of trade pick swaps because there is nothing else to do ATM, however this is going to take more than 1 draft to mould our next champion team.

We need to make sure we draft well and I hope we don't go speculative just because we have a heap of picks, we need best available for what we need replacing.

Will go back to back spoons so need to plan for positioning ourselves over multiple drafts before Tassie come in. So hopefully we get good value for pick 24 into a future pick on draft night.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

North will accept 7 + F1 for 2 from St Kilda IMO

Say goodbye to Tauru then if you’re north.

 

[Wrenny]

I think:
1,2,10 & 11 (6 & 20)
Is greater than:
1,2,6 & 18 (10 & 11)

 

[Coach_Required]

Say goodbye to Tauru then if you’re north.

Would be funny, North need to let this idea of Tauru go, they either get him at pick 2 or look at other players who may slip but still fill that void.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Would be funny, North need to let this idea of Tauru go, they either get him at pick 2 or look at other players who may slip but still fill that void.

They've got Trainor there unless he's proper scrambled he's a bloody good defender.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Definitely going to be an interesting draft.
Don't see how we can stuff it up, no matter what we do.

(Then remembers having never heard of Conca before we drafted him...or Samson Ryan....or....)

Absolutely
What happens after draft night will ultimately come down to any number of factors but right now we have really put ourselves in such a fantastic position any risks should be negligible

Even if one or two don’t make it (history suggests this will be the case) we have enough capital to come out on top long term

Props to Balir to getting us here even if it wasn’t the plan to lose Bolton and Rioli

 

[tiger_tough]

Heard old Franky Jackson adores Jagga

 

[Mr Magic]

Rich give Pick 10 for Port 13+29
Saints give Pick 7 for 11+20
Nth give Pick 2 for 7+18

Saints end up with 8+11+20
Nth 7+18
Rich with 1+2+6+13+23+24+29, give 10+11+18+20 for 2+13+29

11 and 20 for 7 is too much, Saints would jump at it

Swap 20 for 23, and North will want us to promise we do not take Tauru

7 and 18 is too much for 2 to, 7 and 20 better.

so left with 1+2+6+13+18+24+29

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Would be funny, North need to let this idea of Tauru go, they either get him at pick 2 or look at other players who may slip but still fill that void.

Think they just take him at 2. They have zero key position players with his ability and it appears he’s now a top 8 prospect. It’s a reach but not an insane one now.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If there's one video to watch, this is it, includes highlights from when he played for Richmond ressies.

Finn O'Sullivan, what a great insight into his capabilities.
10 minus showcasing his Movement, Marking, Pressure Acts, Disposal, Stoppage & Contest etc

A Lalor and FOS double would be a great get. If we can hold onto pick 6, it's likely that one of Langford, Smillie, or Jagga will make it.

He reminds me a bit of Darren Jarman, not the current version.

 

[richoatthedisco]

He reminds me a bit of Darren Jarman, not the current version.

YES!

 

[Dr Tigris]

If we can do 1, 2, and 6 then get lalor, FOS and Jagga that would be amazing. 3 lower isk, high return players who could be a fantastic midfield for a decade +. After that it is building a solid squad around them