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List Mgmt. 2024 Draft Thread
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Honestly his hands don't worry me as he played a lot of rugby growing up, it's also why he seems so hard to take down because he's pretty powerful through the hips.
He also initially played as a small forward when first recruited so he can rotate through there.
2024's most wanted: Draft Combine nominees revealed
The players picked to attend the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft Combine have been named
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NEARLY a third of the invitees to the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft Combine are from Vic Country, with potential top-10 picks Harvey Langford, Finn O'Sullivan and Sam Laloramongst the group.
The AFL has selected 65 draft prospects from around the country to attend the three-day testing in Melbourne between Friday, October 4 and Sunday, October 6.
The selections were based on nominations from AFL recruiters, with each club putting forward its list of 50 prospects. Those with fewer nominations are likely to be invited to respective state Draft Combines, with the first 25 of that group also notified this week.
The Vic Country regions had the biggest group, with 21 players earning selection as national Combine players. As well as Langford, O'Sullivan and Lalor, other potential first-round picks Alix Tauru, Tobie Travaglia, Xavier Lindsay and Joe Berry are among the Vic Country contingent to undertake the testing, which will again see prospects do vertical and running vertical jumps, the 20-metre sprint, agility test and the 2km time trial.
Vic Metro had 18 players invited, including eight from the Sandringham Dragons, which was the most represented club at the Combine. Its group consists of Murphy Reid, Levi Ashcroft, Harry Armstrong, Harrison Oliver, Luke Trainor, Taj Hotton, Josh Dolanand Adrian Cole, with several top-10 contenders in it. Cole (St Kilda Next Generation Academy) is among the players with Academy and father-son ties to have been selected, alongside Carlton father-son pair Ben and Lucas Camporeale, Essendon NGA talent Isaac Kako and West Coast NGA product Malakai Champion.
There are six northern Academy players invited, including Gold Coast's top-10 prospect Leo Lombard.
Early draft contenders Sid Draper (South Australia) and Bo Allan (Western Australia) are the leading draft hopes from their states, which has a total of 21 players attending.
Adelaide father-son prospect Tyler Welsh is among the players picked to test at the South Australian state Combine, which will take place on Saturday, October 12. The Victorian state Combine will take place on Sunday, October 6 and the West Australian state Combine will run on October 13.
2024 NATIONAL DRAFT COMBINE LIST
VIC COUNTRYJasper Alger (Oakleigh Chargers)
James Barrat (Bendigo Pioneers)
Joe Berry (Murray Bushrangers)
Floyd Burmeister (Greater Western Victoria Rebels)
Harry Charleson (Greater Western Victoria Rebels)
Archer Day-Wicks (Bendigo Pioneers)
Jonty Faull (Greater Western Victoria Rebels)
Cooper Hynes (Dandenong Stingrays)
Lachie Jaques (Geelong Falcons)
Sam Lalor (Greater Western Victoria Rebels)
Harvey Langford (Dandenong Stingrays)
Xavier Lindsay (Gippsland Power)
Noah Mraz (Dandenong Stingrays)
Finn O'Sullivan (Oakleigh Chargers)
Jack Ough (Greater Western Victoria Rebels)
Alix Tauru (Gippsland Power)
Tobie Travaglia (Vic Country)
Rhys Unwin (Greater Western Victoria Rebels)
Oliver Warburton (Murray Bushrangers)
Jack Whitlock (Murray Bushrangers)
Matt Whitlock (Murray Bushrangers)
VIC METRO
Cody Anderson (Eastern Ranges)
Harry Armstrong (Sandringham Dragons)
Levi Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons)
Adrian Cole (Sandringham Dragons)
Jesse Dattoli (Northern Knights)
Josh Dolan (Sandringham Dragons)
Tom Gross (Oakleigh Chargers)
Taj Hotton (Sandringham Dragons)
Isaac Kako (Calder Cannons)
Christian Moraes (Eastern Ranges)
Harry O'Farrell (Calder Cannons)
Harrison Oliver (Sandringham Dragons)
Murphy Reid (Sandringham Dragons)
Thomas Sims (Northern Knights)
Josh Smillie (Eastern Ranges)
Jagga Smith (Oakleigh Chargers)
Gabriel Stumpf (Northern Knights)
Luke Trainor (Sandringham Dragons)
SOUTH AUSTRALIA
Ned Bowman (Norwood)
Ben Camporeale (Glenelg)
Lucas Camporeale (Glenelg)
Angus Clarke (Glenelg)
Alex Dodson (Sturt)
Sid Draper (South Adelaide)
Phoenix Hargrave (South Adelaide)
Jacob Newton (Norwood)
Charlie Nicholls (Central District)
Charlie West (Woodville-West Torrens)
WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Bo Allan (Peel Thunder)
Cody Angove (Claremont)
Jaxon Artemis (South Fremantle)
Malakai Champion (Subiaco)
Hamish Davis (Claremont)
Clancy Dennis (Claremont)
Kayle Gerreyn (West Perth)
Will Hayes (Claremont)
Aiden Riddle (Claremont)
Luke Urquhart (East Fremantle)
QUEENSLAND
Leo Lombard (Gold Coast Academy)
Sam Marshall (Brisbane Academy)
NEW SOUTH WALES-ACT
Cooper Bell (Giants Academy)
Joel Cochran (Sydney Academy)
Jobe Shanahan (Bendigo Pioneers)
Logan Smith (GWS Academy)
FIRST INTAKE 2024 STATE COMBINE LIST
Benny Barrett (South Adelaide/SA)Hugh Boxshall (Claremont/WA)
Evan Bradley (North Adelaide/SA)
Charlie Burke (Subiaco/WA)
Zane Cochrane (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)
Sam Davidson (Richmond VFL/Vic Metro)
Oliver Dean (Tasmania Devils/North Launceston)
Josaia Delana (Giants Academy/NSW-ACT)
Asher Eastham (Gippsland Power/Vic Country)
Tom Gillett (Brisbane Academy/QLD)
Lucca Grego (Western Jets/Vic Metro)
Kade Herbert (Woodville-West Torrens/SA)
Lennox Hofmann (Sandringham/Vic Metro)
Damon Hollow (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)
Lucas Impey (Western Jets/Vic Metro)
Xavier Ivisic (Geelong Falcons/Vic Country)
Zak Johnson (Northern Knights/Vic Metro)
Ben Kennedy (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)
Nash King (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)
Thomas McKay (Glenelg/South Australia)
Ricky Mentha (Gippsland Power/NT)
Josh Murphy (Murray Bushrangers/NSW-ACT)
Jayden Nguyen (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)
Harrison Ramm (Glenelg/South Australia)
Tyler Welsh (Adelaide/South Australia)
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Jack Ough seems like a very versatile player. Moves great at 194cm, very late December birthday as well. Lots of scope. Has looked good on the wing.
Hoping we do trade some more established players that aren’t in our future plans to get multiple picks in this draft.
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His move onto the inside was unexpected and certainly sees him climb. If we could pair him up with Moraes I think it'd be a killer combo of guy who can transition inside/outside which is what the game is transitioning to now.
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Agreed. I’m a big fan of Travaglia as well. Think he will be a very good player.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that his surname is pronounced like Brady Hough's.
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Feel like Lucca Grego would be ideal for our system
Would be worth a punt late in the draft. Did pretty well in the VFL over the weekend
Power, Saints, North father-sons invited to state Combine
The invitees for the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft state Combines have been revealed
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FATHER-SONS Rome Burgoyne, Elwood Peckett, River Stevens and Louie Montgomery are among the 62 players invited to test at the state Telstra AFL Draft Combines.
Burgoyne (son of Port Adelaide champion Peter), Peckett (son of former Saint Justin), Stevens (son of North Melbourne's Anthony) and Montgomery (son of Port Adelaide's Brett) are part of a group of 37 players added to the first 25 players state Combine invitees who were announcedlast week.
All four players are eligible to join those clubs under father-son rules, while Tom Cochrane, the son of former North Melbourne and Port Adelaide's Stuart, has also been included in the list but will not qualify for father-son eligibility. Adelaide's father-son Tyler Welsh was included in the original 25 to be named earlier this month for state screening invites.
The state Combines will be one-day events in Melbourne (Sunday, October 6), Adelaide (Saturday, October 12) and Perth (Sunday, October 13) and see the potential recruits partake in physical and athletic testing ahead of this year's Telstra AFL Draft.
Riak Andrew (brother of Gold Coast's Mac) and Luke Quaynor (brother of Collingwood's Isaac) are among the family ties in the group, too.
TELSTRA STATE COMBINE DRAFT COMBINE INVITES
Riak Andrew (Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays)Benny Barrett (South Australia/South Adelaide)
Tom Bell (Western Australia/South Fremantle)
Riley Bice (Werribee VFL)
Hugh Boxshall (Western Australia/Claremont)
Evan Bradley (South Australia/North Adelaide)
Joel Brown (Western Australia/Peel Thunder)
Rome Burgoyne (South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens)
Charlie Burke (Western Australia/Subiaco)
Tom Cochrane (South Australia/Central District)
Zane Cochrane (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
Waylon Davey-Motlop (Vic Metro/NT Academy/Oakleigh Chargers)
Sam Davidson (Richmond VFL)
Oliver Dean (Tasmania Devils)
Josaia Delana (NSW-ACT/Giants Academy)
Tate Delmenico (South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens)
Jordan Doherty (Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays)
Asher Eastham (Vic Country/Gippsland Power)
Tom Gillett (Queensland/Brisbane Academy)
Lucca Grego (Vic Metro/Western Jets)
Jhett Haeata (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
Oliver Hannaford (Vic Country/GWV Rebels)
Zac Harding (Vic Country/Murray Bushrangers)
Jett Hasting (South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens)
Kade Herbert (South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens)
Lennox Hofmann (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
Damon Hollow (Vic Metro/Calder Cannons)
Lucas Impey (Vic Metro/Western Jets)
Xavier Ivisic (Vic Country/Geelong Falcons)
Zak Johnson (Vic Metro/Northern Knights)
Ben Kennedy (NSW-ACT/Murray Bushrangers)
Luke Kennedy (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
Nash King (Vic Metro/Calder Cannons)
Mitchell Kirkwood-Scott (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
Ajang Kuol Mun (Geelong VFL)
Blake Leidler (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
Daniel Lowther (Vic Country/Geelong Falcons)
Loch Mactaggart (WA/Perth)
Keighton Matofai-Forbes (Vic Metro/Western Jets)
Thomas McKay (South Australia/Glenelg)
Bailey McKenzie (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
Ricky Mentha (Northern Territoy/Gippsland Power)
Jacob Molier (South Australia/Sturt)
Louie Montgomery (South Australia/North Adelaide)
Josh Murphy (NSW-ACT/Murray Bushrangers)
Jayden Nguyen (Vic Metro/Calder Cannons)
Charlie Orchard (Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays)
Elwood Peckett (Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays)
Darcy Petersen (Western Australia/Peel Thunder)
Jay Polkinghorne (South Australia/Norwood)
Luke Quaynor (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
Harrison Ramm (South Australia/Glenelg)
Wil Rantall (Vic Country/GWV Rebels)
Patrick Retschko (Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers)
Max Rohr (Western Australia/Claremont)
Charlie Rozenes (Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons)
Patrick Said (Vic Metro/Calder Cannons)
Jacob Sheean (South Australia/South Adelaide)
River Stevens (Vic Country/Geelong Falcons)
Nathaniel Sulzberger (Tasmania/Sandringham Dragons)
Sam Toner (Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays)
Tyler Welsh (South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens)
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Interesting that Waylon Davey-Motlop made the list
He hasn't had a great Coates Season
Solid at school footy though
He hasn't had a great Coates Season
Solid at school footy though
Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' August ranking
AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his second Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft
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ANOTHER month into the draft season and things are heating up for the Phantom Form Guide.
Here is the August edition of the ranking of the top 30 players in the draft pool.
It comes as a number of players featured show their stuff at senior levels across the country, with some changes in the top end as a result. Others are vying to break into the rankings, with a number of unlucky talents considered just outside this group.
Remember, this is not predicting where bids could fall on father-son or Academy prospects but simply a rating of the best prospects for 2024. The Phantom Form Guide will be updated monthly in the lead-up to November's Telstra AFL Draft.
Ashcroft last week made official what the football world has known for years – that he would be nominating as a Lion under the father-son rule and joining brother Will at the club . He also spent the week at the Lions, training with the AFL group and also playing in the VFL on Saturday, where he gathered 35 disposals, 11 clearances and a goal in a best-afield showing. It was a strong display after Ashcroft had returned to school level following Vic Metro's title and won the APS premiership with Brighton Grammar. He continues to collect plenty of the ball and comes as advertised – as a consistent ball-getting midfielder who can set things up at the stoppages and go forward and kick goals.
The draft's major ball 'Jag-net'. Jagga makes his move after a run of ultra-impressive VFL games for the Tigers where he stepped up in, at times, tough conditions and against bigger, stronger and more experienced players to show his class with the ball in his hands. On debut he had 30 disposals and eight clearances and the following week backed it up with 27 touches. On Sunday he had another 22 disposals in front of scouts who know his agile movements, superior decision-making and football smarts will lift to AFL speed as well.
Langford just keeps on keeping on. He has been undeniable this year – he has performed at all levels and dominated. After being a joint winner of the Larke Medal, Langford returned to the Stingrays and again took control of contests there, including a 26-disposal and one-goal effort against Murray Bushrangers two weeks ago. The left-footer has a point of difference to lots of other midfielders in his draft range due to his height and marking ability, and he could start as a forward or half-back option at AFL level. Carrying some Hayden Young traits, Langford is a metres gained player – once he settles into a club he will quickly be trusted to be given the footy and let loose. He will play for Richmond's VFL side this week.
Recruiters got a look at O'Sullivan in a higher level on Sunday, where the midfielder played for Richmond's VFL side. He gathered 11 disposals in the game and also kicked two goals in a largely forward role. O'Sullivan's first half of the year was basically wiped out by thumb and finger injuries, which he is still monitoring to some degree by wearing a hand guard during the week. The midfielder's overhead marking, fast feet at stoppages, ability to turn out of trouble and running capacity gives him a strong skillset and clubs will be hoping he has some dominant games to close out Oakleigh's Coates Talent League season.
A big-bodied midfielder who clubs are watching closely ahead of the final month of the season. Smillie's campaign got off to a red-hot start with the Eastern Ranges in the Coates Talent League, where he dominated games with his power, strength and size. His Vic Metro carnival was solid, averaging 19 disposals and six clearances, but some illness and breaks in fixtures has meant he has only played a couple of games in the past month. Smillie's 194cm stature as a midfielder in the Tom Green mould makes him a unique onball prospect for clubs to consider with early selections.
After being crowned Vic Metro's MVP in its title-winning championships campaign, Reid returned to finish his school season with Caulfield Grammar. Reid is viewed by some clubs as being right in the top-three mix. He's a midfielder with poise, vision and confidence, and he creates space for his teammates with decision-making, terrific handballing and quick thinking. With three goals against South Australia in the under-18 carnival, Reid also proved he has forward craft, with a position around goal a potential starting point at the next level.
Sid the kid. Draper came into the under-18 championships underdone after battling his shin stress fracture for the first half of the year. It meant he was solid without reaching his All-Australian levels of 2023, but with some match fitness under his belt he has shown everyone what he is capable of in the SANFL. Across four games at League level, Draper has averaged 25 disposals and six clearances and been having huge impact on games, including kicking goals in two of those matches. He missed last week with some hamstring tightness. A Caleb Serong-type of midfielder with a super professional outlook.
Armstrong is coming with a rocket. He is the best tall forward in the draft and has strong admirers across the competition. His athleticism, superboot left-foot kicking, contested marking and room for upside makes him an appealing talent for clubs. The 195cm forward can roam up and down the ground but has been a regular goalkicker at all levels he has played – including 12 for Sandringham in only four games this season – and he was a big factor in Vic Metro winning the under-18 title. He's the one who could rise even further.
There are clubs who are assessing Lalor as a top-five player based on the things he can produce: he can take a big mark, he can dominate inside 50, he tackles with aggression and enjoys the physical side of the game and he has shown he can step up in big moments. His game for the Rebels in June was perhaps his most consistent of the year, when he gathered 34 disposals in a dominant display, and if he can finish with a couple more of those it will see him jump up boards.
Trainor completed the very rare double across one week in July: after kicking the championship-winning goal for Vic Metro in the under-18 carnival, he then booted the premiership-sealing point for Brighton Grammar in its APS season. Both games he had shifted forward after starting in defence, where he likes to roam, take marks, go for his kicks and be an attacking and intercept option.
Another draftee whose form at senior level since the under-18 championships has only boosted his standing. Allan had a very good carnival for Western Australia after missing the first game with a back injury, having a commanding presence in the midfield for his state. The taller midfielder charges around the ground and is a powerful prospect with the ability to rip the ball out of stoppages. Like fellow early Western Australia draftee Reuben Ginbey two years ago, Allan can also play as a third tall in defence as well as the midfield.
Lombard has been as well performed as any player in the draft pool this year. He was a force for the Suns Academy early in the Coates Talent League season, was a joint winner of the Larke Medal for the Allies and in between has produced very good VFL games for the Suns, including a three-goal effort against Coburg earlier this month. That wouldn’t be a surprise given he featured for the Suns in the VFL Grand Final last year as a 16-year-old. Lombard is ready to go as a fierce, fast fend-off machine whose quick steps, explosive movement and tackling pressure will add to the Suns, who will likely have to match a bid around the top-10 for him.
Travaglia just keeps ticking boxes. The attacking half-back and midfield option played for Carlton’s VFL side on the weekend, having 15 disposals and five tackles in an encouraging showing. It came after his excellent carnival, with the Vic Country co-captain winning All-Australian selection in defence. His best game came against Vic Metro when he had 25 disposals, nine marks and six intercept possessions. Travaglia takes marks, intercepts, is courageous and can run and run and run. He has had decisive impact in games and with every game shows a bit more of the traits that made Hawthorn star Will Day a first-round pick in his 2019 draft season.
The high point of Hotton's season came early, when he kicked four goals from 32 disposals for Sandringham against Oakleigh in the Coates Talent League. However his season was over in May when he went down with a torn anterior cruciate ligament injury at training, seeing him miss Vic Metro’s carnival. It was a disappointment for recruiters because the way he was playing would have had him sitting comfortably among the most exciting players in the group as a half-forward/midfielder with spark.
The silver lining of Essendon's horror past two months is the fact the Bombers will be able to match a bid on Kako under the adjusted Next Generation Academy rules the AFL has introduced for 2024. It comes as the Bombers need a player just like Kako: a talented, crumbing small forward with a real eye for goal. Since kicking eight goals for Vic Metro, he returned to the Calder Cannons and played some more midfield time, including a huge game against Bendigo when he had 25 disposals and three goals.
The versatile left-footer has high appeal through simply being very good at a lot of things. He can play as a midfielder or half-back, he can change the game with his angled and precise kicking, he has speed and agility and since overcoming some injury at the start of the year he plays well most weeks. After being an All-Australian at under-18 level following a great finish to the championships with Vic Country, when he picked up 30 disposals, Lindsay has averaged 28 disposals with Gippsland and also hit the scoreboard, kicking 2.4 in those three games.
Berry has been a prolific goalkicker this year. The small forward continues to play at a high level for Murray, having kicked 26.15 from 11 games this year, and that followed a standout carnival for Vic Country where he kicked nine goals as the equal leading goalkicker. He's crafty, skilful and has a step out of trouble and hits his opportunities in different ways – through working up and down the ground, crumbing and also being good on the lead for a player his size.
Hynes has an explosive streak that sees him impact games. He is bigger and stronger and plays with power through the midfield and forward line, and put in one of his best games of the season two weeks ago when he kicked three goals from 28 disposals and six marks. Hynes has now kicked 19.9 from 11 games and also averaged 26 disposals for the Stingrays.
The tall forward has been in exciting form since he finished the carnival well for Vic Country, kicking 2.3, 3.3 and 2.0 in his three games for the Murray Bushrangers post-championships. It followed his two-goal and 13-disposal game for Vic Country in the title decider against Vic Metro. Whitlock is mobile, moves around the ground well and has good disposal for a player his height (200cm).
Tauru will be selected by clubs as an intercept, high-flying tall defender who loves to jump into contests and come down with the ball in his hands. After showing those traits for Vic Country, following an injury-interrupted first half of the season, Tauru has mixed it up in his return to Gippsland. He has played some midfield time, including facing up against Josh Smillie in a battle of the 193cm talents, as well as also swinging forward to show his aerial prowess there. He kicked 2.3 against the Greater Western Victoria Rebels and has genuine upside that is exciting for scouts assessing him as a likely first-rounder.
A stint in the VFL with Essendon has boosted Shanahan's wares. The nicely skilled key forward has played the past two weeks with the Bombers, booting four goals on debut against the Northern Bullants and backing it up with 2.3 against the Suns last week. Shanahan took the most contested marks in the under-18 championships playing for the Allies and kicked three goals against Vic Country. Some recruiters also believe he would be a strong option in defence down the track.
It was a monster effort from Dodson two weeks ago that further shone a spotlight on his talents as a big, roaming, roving ruckman. The talented basketballer had 32 disposals, 34 hitouts, 10 clearances and four inside-50s against Woodville-West Torrens in a dominant display that followed his selection as the under-18 All-Australian ruckman. Dodson has elevated himself into the position as the No.1 ruckman in the pool.
Faull missed the first half of the season with a back injury but kicked five goals in his first game of the year with the Rebels and hasn't stopped kicking goals since. The aggressive and strong-bodied tall forward had exciting moments for Vic Country at the national carnival, and was particularly good against the Allies, and has since gone back to the Coates Talent League and produced a couple of excellent games with the Rebels, including a 3.3 haul against Gippsland two weeks ago.
An ultra-consistent player across his draft season, Marshall has made every post a winner. He can go inside and outside as a midfield talent and knows how to get his hands on the ball – he averaged 27 disposals (nearly 10 contested) for the Allies and has also been prolific at school level with Melbourne Grammar and the Sandringham Dragons. A member of Brisbane's Academy, the Lions will get two more quality midfield talents through the door this year in Levi Ashcroft and Marshall.
Moraes had one of the best games of his season two weeks ago when he kicked 5.2 from 27 disposals against the Western Jets. It was a return to his hot goalkicking start to the season, where he booted nine goals in the first three weeks of the year. Moraes is a hard-running wingman who has a nous for goal and strong workrate, and his best game for Vic Metro came against South Australia when he had 22 disposals and two goals.
Gross is a medium midfielder/forward who can mark well over his head and who carries a hard edge in how he plays. He attacks the contest wherever he's used and is able to roll through a number of different positions, including forward line, midfield and also on the wing, where he was positioned at stages for Vic Metro. He won All-Australian selection after averaging 20 disposals and four tackles a game.
The thing about Oliver that sets him apart is his fierce toughness: he will back into packs, go for ground balls others won't and put himself in courageous spots for his team. It's a fearlessness that flows through his game as a rebounding defender who can set up the play out of the backline. At the championships Oliver averaged 16 disposals at 83 per cent efficiency for Metro.
Whitlock had joined his twin brother Jack in the forward line for the Bushrangers until last week, when he shifted back to defence and had a day out. He took 11 marks and collected 24 disposals while mopping things up in the back half against Dandenong. Whitlock’s versatility is part of his appeal as an athletic tall prospect at both ends of the ground – as well as his surety in defence, he has also kicked 19 goals in 11 Coates Talent League games this year.
Dattoli is a competitor and that comes through every time he takes the field. As a forward/midfielder, Dattoli is able to influence games around stoppages, where his strength and power are key, and then also capable of being a goalkicking threat. He collected 20 disposals in Vic Metro's final game against Vic Country and then went back to school level and dominated for Carey Grammar. He's tough and backs himself.
The key forward has been a prominent scoreboard threat this year – he kicked three goals two weeks back for the Knights against Bendigo and has 22 for the season in 11 games at the level. Included in that is two bigger hauls – seven against the Chargers and five against the Jets – that highlighted his mobility, size and forward presence. Sims has the height to stretch for his grabs and be hard to stop.
I’ve hardly paid attention to the draft this year. Couple of questions for those who’ve been watching.
Why has Moraes seemingly drifted out of the top group? Seems like a Nic Martin type wingman.
If we get the Cats first and it’s around 18 after Academy bid, etc, would that be a reach for Harrison Oliver?
Would watchers prefer Moraes or Oliver?
Why has Moraes seemingly drifted out of the top group? Seems like a Nic Martin type wingman.
If we get the Cats first and it’s around 18 after Academy bid, etc, would that be a reach for Harrison Oliver?
Would watchers prefer Moraes or Oliver?
The fact that Moraes is all the way down at 25 shows just how even the top 30 is.Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' August ranking
AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his second Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft
ANOTHER month into the draft season and things are heating up for the Phantom Form Guide.
Here is the August edition of the ranking of the top 30 players in the draft pool.
It comes as a number of players featured show their stuff at senior levels across the country, with some changes in the top end as a result. Others are vying to break into the rankings, with a number of unlucky talents considered just outside this group.
Remember, this is not predicting where bids could fall on father-son or Academy prospects but simply a rating of the best prospects for 2024. The Phantom Form Guide will be updated monthly in the lead-up to November's Telstra AFL Draft.
Ashcroft last week made official what the football world has known for years – that he would be nominating as a Lion under the father-son rule and joining brother Will at the club . He also spent the week at the Lions, training with the AFL group and also playing in the VFL on Saturday, where he gathered 35 disposals, 11 clearances and a goal in a best-afield showing. It was a strong display after Ashcroft had returned to school level following Vic Metro's title and won the APS premiership with Brighton Grammar. He continues to collect plenty of the ball and comes as advertised – as a consistent ball-getting midfielder who can set things up at the stoppages and go forward and kick goals.
The draft's major ball 'Jag-net'. Jagga makes his move after a run of ultra-impressive VFL games for the Tigers where he stepped up in, at times, tough conditions and against bigger, stronger and more experienced players to show his class with the ball in his hands. On debut he had 30 disposals and eight clearances and the following week backed it up with 27 touches. On Sunday he had another 22 disposals in front of scouts who know his agile movements, superior decision-making and football smarts will lift to AFL speed as well.
Langford just keeps on keeping on. He has been undeniable this year – he has performed at all levels and dominated. After being a joint winner of the Larke Medal, Langford returned to the Stingrays and again took control of contests there, including a 26-disposal and one-goal effort against Murray Bushrangers two weeks ago. The left-footer has a point of difference to lots of other midfielders in his draft range due to his height and marking ability, and he could start as a forward or half-back option at AFL level. Carrying some Hayden Young traits, Langford is a metres gained player – once he settles into a club he will quickly be trusted to be given the footy and let loose. He will play for Richmond's VFL side this week.
Recruiters got a look at O'Sullivan in a higher level on Sunday, where the midfielder played for Richmond's VFL side. He gathered 11 disposals in the game and also kicked two goals in a largely forward role. O'Sullivan's first half of the year was basically wiped out by thumb and finger injuries, which he is still monitoring to some degree by wearing a hand guard during the week. The midfielder's overhead marking, fast feet at stoppages, ability to turn out of trouble and running capacity gives him a strong skillset and clubs will be hoping he has some dominant games to close out Oakleigh's Coates Talent League season.
A big-bodied midfielder who clubs are watching closely ahead of the final month of the season. Smillie's campaign got off to a red-hot start with the Eastern Ranges in the Coates Talent League, where he dominated games with his power, strength and size. His Vic Metro carnival was solid, averaging 19 disposals and six clearances, but some illness and breaks in fixtures has meant he has only played a couple of games in the past month. Smillie's 194cm stature as a midfielder in the Tom Green mould makes him a unique onball prospect for clubs to consider with early selections.
After being crowned Vic Metro's MVP in its title-winning championships campaign, Reid returned to finish his school season with Caulfield Grammar. Reid is viewed by some clubs as being right in the top-three mix. He's a midfielder with poise, vision and confidence, and he creates space for his teammates with decision-making, terrific handballing and quick thinking. With three goals against South Australia in the under-18 carnival, Reid also proved he has forward craft, with a position around goal a potential starting point at the next level.
Sid the kid. Draper came into the under-18 championships underdone after battling his shin stress fracture for the first half of the year. It meant he was solid without reaching his All-Australian levels of 2023, but with some match fitness under his belt he has shown everyone what he is capable of in the SANFL. Across four games at League level, Draper has averaged 25 disposals and six clearances and been having huge impact on games, including kicking goals in two of those matches. He missed last week with some hamstring tightness. A Caleb Serong-type of midfielder with a super professional outlook.
Armstrong is coming with a rocket. He is the best tall forward in the draft and has strong admirers across the competition. His athleticism, superboot left-foot kicking, contested marking and room for upside makes him an appealing talent for clubs. The 195cm forward can roam up and down the ground but has been a regular goalkicker at all levels he has played – including 12 for Sandringham in only four games this season – and he was a big factor in Vic Metro winning the under-18 title. He's the one who could rise even further.
There are clubs who are assessing Lalor as a top-five player based on the things he can produce: he can take a big mark, he can dominate inside 50, he tackles with aggression and enjoys the physical side of the game and he has shown he can step up in big moments. His game for the Rebels in June was perhaps his most consistent of the year, when he gathered 34 disposals in a dominant display, and if he can finish with a couple more of those it will see him jump up boards.
Trainor completed the very rare double across one week in July: after kicking the championship-winning goal for Vic Metro in the under-18 carnival, he then booted the premiership-sealing point for Brighton Grammar in its APS season. Both games he had shifted forward after starting in defence, where he likes to roam, take marks, go for his kicks and be an attacking and intercept option.
Another draftee whose form at senior level since the under-18 championships has only boosted his standing. Allan had a very good carnival for Western Australia after missing the first game with a back injury, having a commanding presence in the midfield for his state. The taller midfielder charges around the ground and is a powerful prospect with the ability to rip the ball out of stoppages. Like fellow early Western Australia draftee Reuben Ginbey two years ago, Allan can also play as a third tall in defence as well as the midfield.
Lombard has been as well performed as any player in the draft pool this year. He was a force for the Suns Academy early in the Coates Talent League season, was a joint winner of the Larke Medal for the Allies and in between has produced very good VFL games for the Suns, including a three-goal effort against Coburg earlier this month. That wouldn’t be a surprise given he featured for the Suns in the VFL Grand Final last year as a 16-year-old. Lombard is ready to go as a fierce, fast fend-off machine whose quick steps, explosive movement and tackling pressure will add to the Suns, who will likely have to match a bid around the top-10 for him.
Travaglia just keeps ticking boxes. The attacking half-back and midfield option played for Carlton’s VFL side on the weekend, having 15 disposals and five tackles in an encouraging showing. It came after his excellent carnival, with the Vic Country co-captain winning All-Australian selection in defence. His best game came against Vic Metro when he had 25 disposals, nine marks and six intercept possessions. Travaglia takes marks, intercepts, is courageous and can run and run and run. He has had decisive impact in games and with every game shows a bit more of the traits that made Hawthorn star Will Day a first-round pick in his 2019 draft season.
The high point of Hotton's season came early, when he kicked four goals from 32 disposals for Sandringham against Oakleigh in the Coates Talent League. However his season was over in May when he went down with a torn anterior cruciate ligament injury at training, seeing him miss Vic Metro’s carnival. It was a disappointment for recruiters because the way he was playing would have had him sitting comfortably among the most exciting players in the group as a half-forward/midfielder with spark.
The silver lining of Essendon's horror past two months is the fact the Bombers will be able to match a bid on Kako under the adjusted Next Generation Academy rules the AFL has introduced for 2024. It comes as the Bombers need a player just like Kako: a talented, crumbing small forward with a real eye for goal. Since kicking eight goals for Vic Metro, he returned to the Calder Cannons and played some more midfield time, including a huge game against Bendigo when he had 25 disposals and three goals.
The versatile left-footer has high appeal through simply being very good at a lot of things. He can play as a midfielder or half-back, he can change the game with his angled and precise kicking, he has speed and agility and since overcoming some injury at the start of the year he plays well most weeks. After being an All-Australian at under-18 level following a great finish to the championships with Vic Country, when he picked up 30 disposals, Lindsay has averaged 28 disposals with Gippsland and also hit the scoreboard, kicking 2.4 in those three games.
Berry has been a prolific goalkicker this year. The small forward continues to play at a high level for Murray, having kicked 26.15 from 11 games this year, and that followed a standout carnival for Vic Country where he kicked nine goals as the equal leading goalkicker. He's crafty, skilful and has a step out of trouble and hits his opportunities in different ways – through working up and down the ground, crumbing and also being good on the lead for a player his size.
Hynes has an explosive streak that sees him impact games. He is bigger and stronger and plays with power through the midfield and forward line, and put in one of his best games of the season two weeks ago when he kicked three goals from 28 disposals and six marks. Hynes has now kicked 19.9 from 11 games and also averaged 26 disposals for the Stingrays.
The tall forward has been in exciting form since he finished the carnival well for Vic Country, kicking 2.3, 3.3 and 2.0 in his three games for the Murray Bushrangers post-championships. It followed his two-goal and 13-disposal game for Vic Country in the title decider against Vic Metro. Whitlock is mobile, moves around the ground well and has good disposal for a player his height (200cm).
Tauru will be selected by clubs as an intercept, high-flying tall defender who loves to jump into contests and come down with the ball in his hands. After showing those traits for Vic Country, following an injury-interrupted first half of the season, Tauru has mixed it up in his return to Gippsland. He has played some midfield time, including facing up against Josh Smillie in a battle of the 193cm talents, as well as also swinging forward to show his aerial prowess there. He kicked 2.3 against the Greater Western Victoria Rebels and has genuine upside that is exciting for scouts assessing him as a likely first-rounder.
A stint in the VFL with Essendon has boosted Shanahan's wares. The nicely skilled key forward has played the past two weeks with the Bombers, booting four goals on debut against the Northern Bullants and backing it up with 2.3 against the Suns last week. Shanahan took the most contested marks in the under-18 championships playing for the Allies and kicked three goals against Vic Country. Some recruiters also believe he would be a strong option in defence down the track.
It was a monster effort from Dodson two weeks ago that further shone a spotlight on his talents as a big, roaming, roving ruckman. The talented basketballer had 32 disposals, 34 hitouts, 10 clearances and four inside-50s against Woodville-West Torrens in a dominant display that followed his selection as the under-18 All-Australian ruckman. Dodson has elevated himself into the position as the No.1 ruckman in the pool.
Faull missed the first half of the season with a back injury but kicked five goals in his first game of the year with the Rebels and hasn't stopped kicking goals since. The aggressive and strong-bodied tall forward had exciting moments for Vic Country at the national carnival, and was particularly good against the Allies, and has since gone back to the Coates Talent League and produced a couple of excellent games with the Rebels, including a 3.3 haul against Gippsland two weeks ago.
An ultra-consistent player across his draft season, Marshall has made every post a winner. He can go inside and outside as a midfield talent and knows how to get his hands on the ball – he averaged 27 disposals (nearly 10 contested) for the Allies and has also been prolific at school level with Melbourne Grammar and the Sandringham Dragons. A member of Brisbane's Academy, the Lions will get two more quality midfield talents through the door this year in Levi Ashcroft and Marshall.
Moraes had one of the best games of his season two weeks ago when he kicked 5.2 from 27 disposals against the Western Jets. It was a return to his hot goalkicking start to the season, where he booted nine goals in the first three weeks of the year. Moraes is a hard-running wingman who has a nous for goal and strong workrate, and his best game for Vic Metro came against South Australia when he had 22 disposals and two goals.
Gross is a medium midfielder/forward who can mark well over his head and who carries a hard edge in how he plays. He attacks the contest wherever he's used and is able to roll through a number of different positions, including forward line, midfield and also on the wing, where he was positioned at stages for Vic Metro. He won All-Australian selection after averaging 20 disposals and four tackles a game.
The thing about Oliver that sets him apart is his fierce toughness: he will back into packs, go for ground balls others won't and put himself in courageous spots for his team. It's a fearlessness that flows through his game as a rebounding defender who can set up the play out of the backline. At the championships Oliver averaged 16 disposals at 83 per cent efficiency for Metro.
Whitlock had joined his twin brother Jack in the forward line for the Bushrangers until last week, when he shifted back to defence and had a day out. He took 11 marks and collected 24 disposals while mopping things up in the back half against Dandenong. Whitlock’s versatility is part of his appeal as an athletic tall prospect at both ends of the ground – as well as his surety in defence, he has also kicked 19 goals in 11 Coates Talent League games this year.
Dattoli is a competitor and that comes through every time he takes the field. As a forward/midfielder, Dattoli is able to influence games around stoppages, where his strength and power are key, and then also capable of being a goalkicking threat. He collected 20 disposals in Vic Metro's final game against Vic Country and then went back to school level and dominated for Carey Grammar. He's tough and backs himself.
The key forward has been a prominent scoreboard threat this year – he kicked three goals two weeks back for the Knights against Bendigo and has 22 for the season in 11 games at the level. Included in that is two bigger hauls – seven against the Chargers and five against the Jets – that highlighted his mobility, size and forward presence. Sims has the height to stretch for his grabs and be hard to stop.
If Moraes was taken top 15 I don't think many would bat an eyelid. If we get take geelongs first this year to the draft he will deffinetly be on the short-list along side Berry who may go earlier.
Oliver will slide given he doesn't have those eye catching traits and I imagine he'd be there at our next selection in the 30's he would probably become the best small defender in the pool in terms of genuine lock down ability.
Another potential small defender that the club have shown interest in later in the draft is Lucca Grego. He recently debuted for Williamstown in the VFL.
Moraes seems a very good fit for us. Just read a few scouting notes on Grego and dan see why we’d be interested.
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At a guess, it's due to his 'rate of improvement'.
Many clubs (including historically us) tend to favour kids who show rapid improvement in their u18 year. Whatever first round pick we get from Geelong is likely to be in the teens so he might be in the frame but I suspect we'll try and bid on Kako to keep Essendon honest then look elsewhere
We also like a late Birthday, which is why I think someone like Zak Johnson may be of interest as a Fwd/Mid born 24/12/2006 making him only eligible by a week.
Except for Sanders, who only snuck in by a week from memory!
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I thought Freijah was only 'just' eligible?
I'm starting to warm to Travaglia. Genuine Ed Richards vibes with the way he plays and the way he runs and stays 'in the play' means after a few years in the back half he could make a similar move into CBA/wing minutes. Whoever gets him will be very happy. October birthday means he may even be on our radar!
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Lalor is going to be a star. Would love him at the dogs. Can play forward with bursts in the middle until there’s a FT position available.
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Xavier Lindsay has a lot going for him as well.
Friejah has a November birthday, same as Moraes. I'm a massive fan of Travaglia but he likely goes top 12 so a bit out of our potential range.
It will be interesting where Lalor plays at the next level, whether he is the Stringer type that can only do a few CBAs a game or turns out more like Petracca who took awhile to transition to the midfield but once he did was exceptional.
Lindsay is the next best rebounding defender after Travaglia, he doesn't have the same defensive capabilities or as well rounded as Tobie but is potentially slightly more damaging.
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Presuming we get a 12-16 pick as part of a package for Baz, reckon my early fave might be Xavier Lindsay.
Good winger/flanker prospect with speed and a powerful and skillfull left foot.
As a bonus is a Gippsland boy (as so many of our greats are) from Leongatha (same town as Stevie Wallis, Ian Salmon, Stuart Wigney and many others).
Good winger/flanker prospect with speed and a powerful and skillfull left foot.
As a bonus is a Gippsland boy (as so many of our greats are) from Leongatha (same town as Stevie Wallis, Ian Salmon, Stuart Wigney and many others).
