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I'd do that deal. He's as good as Judd.
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Some gushing man love for Taj…and they have done their homework on his injury. Reckon he’s good to go, it’ll be holding him back that will be the challenge.
I did laugh at the Alger family reaction. That’d be mine if we had any talent
Tiger_Of_Old
THE_GUN:"Why don't you use your reg acc"7/9/24
LoL.
Picks 1 & 3 can do the same.
Here's an idea on that basis lets not trade or draft at all.
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Interesting to hear from Cal Twomey that there was a lot interest in Taj Hotton and Jonty Faull from clubs between picks 11(14) and 18(21).
Richmond didn't want to take the risk of Sydney trading up to get Jonty Faull so took him at pick 11(14). Rated him the no 1 KPF in the draft.
Richmond also took Luke Trainor at pick 18(21) ahead of Harry Armstrong due to interest from the Swans.
Richmond didn't want to take the risk of Sydney trading up to get Jonty Faull so took him at pick 11(14). Rated him the no 1 KPF in the draft.
Richmond also took Luke Trainor at pick 18(21) ahead of Harry Armstrong due to interest from the Swans.
Sometimes the best things that these list managers say is what they don't say, and Hartley appears to be an expert in holding the really important cards to his chest.
Blair Hartley on Talking Tigers
Richmond General Manager of Football Talent Blair Hartley joins the Talking Tigers Podcast reviewing the clubs selections at the AFL Draft.www.richmondfc.com.au
That was actually a really interesting and informative chat with him, but when you reflect at the end of it Blair hasn't given anything of any substance away when it comes to strategy and procedure. Which is very reassuring from a supporter's pov.
Except wanting competitors (when the whips are cracking) and willingness to work. A template of our great era .
Which sounds obvious but isn’t necessarily the case
Reading between the lines from Hartley’s comments, I wouldn’t be surprised if we rated Faull / Armstrong / Trainor similarly but had intel that Faull would be taken first and took a bit of a punt that Armstrong and or Trainor would be there in the 20s
tldr: I don't think we will be going after H Reid due to cap space opportunity cost in light of the new rules.
I think there are quite significant changes in pick trading & cap spend ruls that are going to mitigate against the recruitment of a player like Harley R to Richmond.
2 years ago, if you had any chance to get him to us in our current list shape, you kitchen sink him, no doubt.
But teams will only need to spend 90% cap space, & can save the rest(basically almost $1m less needs to be spent compared to before.) I presume that unspent amount can be saved for 3-4-5 years? Meaning if a club finds itself at 2028-9 with say $4m saved, they can essentially afford to carry at least 1 extra marquee wage player than other clubs for a period.
In addition to that we will be able to trade salary directly for picks.
So unspent salary is going to be massively more valuable than before in those 2 ways.
Taking on Reid at say $1.6m pa during years we are not likely to be contending suddenly has a much bigger opportunity cost to it.
It is for this reason much more than the picks it would cost us that I do not think Richmond will be joining a bidding war for H Reid as a serious player. There would be a tipping point for this though, if he was prepared to accept below a certain amount of salary to play for us. I doubt he will.
Due to these new rules I think Richmond will be the first of plenty of teams to attempt these voluntary rebuilds with bulk talent rapidly through the draft.
Notwithstanding the Taz team situation, imagine just for a moment say Collingwood finishes bottom 4 in 2025.
Imagine they have pick 3 & a free agent to release who can get them pick 4(a lot of teams would have this.)
Imagine they sell DeGoey and Quaynor & get picks 12 & 17.
2026 due to selling the players they finish low again. Pick 3 & sell cap space to get pick 8.
After just 2 years a basket case of a list is trasformed by picks 3, 3, 4, 8, 12, 17, 27, 28, but with a couple more top end picks to come.
Run lean on cap spend for say 4 years total, then use your war chest to buy free agents, & sign all your 21-22-23yo guns to big deals.
They find themselves in about 2029 with 26yo N Daicos, about 6 x top 10 picks on their list + another 6 top 30 picks, + 2 free agents. And the eldest of the gun draftees are hitting 23yo entering their prime.
Unlikely to happen in Pies case, & compromised drafts would hamper it, but it shows what is coming, & how much easier it will be to rebuild quickly with top end talent. Richmond I am sure will be just the first of many to do this.
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I think what is missing in this discussion is an acknowledgement that Reid might not become one of the best few players in the comp. Yeah he had a great year and everyone lost their respective minds over him, but at the end of the day he still has question marks, like any other 2nd year player. His tank, for one. He didn’t show the type of consistency as (for eg) a Selwood did when he first burst onto the scene. Don’t think you can fairly say that right now you’d definitely give him the win over Whitfield and Plowman or McCartin and Brayshaw, simply because Whitfield and Brayshaw are actually proven and he isn’t.
If he puts in another year of improvement then he probably gets there, but then equally Weagles would realise what they have on their hands and wouldn’t be accepting the two high picks. I just see the whole thing as extremely unlikely.
Especially seeing Reid has almost certainly never seen a chequebook in his life and even if he did know how to cash one the government is ending them really soon (if not already?)
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Thats why Horse resigned lol
Not when you blow your salary cap and he is not technically yet a superstar.
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We paid Dustin huge money and won 3 flags. The kid will be a superstar, there is no doubt.
well we gave dusty the monster contract when he had one of the best individual years & won the brownlow and the coaches player of the year (and then went on to win the norm)
so maybe we can come to an agreement that we'll get reid when he does that and everyone is happy !
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Players like Reid don't come along every day.
Let's see if he can perform in finals before putting him on the top echelon of players, far too premature calls on him so far
Plenty of superstars in the H&A season can't back it up when the pressure it really on
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Come on mate, he's dominating some games as an 18/19 year old.
Tiger_Of_Old
THE_GUN:"Why don't you use your reg acc"7/9/24
Nah according too some we could've got both with picks in the 50s.
Danog
17 19 & 20 - Dynasty
I'd trade the lesser of our two 2025 1sts and a 2026 1st for Reid. Keep pick 1.
tigs2010
Pick 1...
Hopefully stays one more year and offer 26 & 27.
Danog
17 19 & 20 - Dynasty
Feel like Eagles might be keen for the 25 pick if it gives them a chance at Rodriguez (who I also want, but gotta give value to get value)
The love in on here for Harley is amazing, although understandable given the qualities he’s displayed, no doubt. But….. who to say that Sharp and Rodriguez or Emmett won’t represent a better package than Harley alone? Or another junior player steps up and demands to be an early pick.
Picks 1 AND 3, I wouldn’t do it if the players I mentioned still look the goods at the end of next season. Rather two very good players than one potential star. Filth went down that path with Judd, (who had easily already announced himself as a superstar,) and gave up early picks AND Josh Kennedy. Still think it was madness, and we almost let Cotchin and Rance go when we stupidly tried to outbid the filth. What a mistake that would have been!!!
Picks 1 AND 3, I wouldn’t do it if the players I mentioned still look the goods at the end of next season. Rather two very good players than one potential star. Filth went down that path with Judd, (who had easily already announced himself as a superstar,) and gave up early picks AND Josh Kennedy. Still think it was madness, and we almost let Cotchin and Rance go when we stupidly tried to outbid the filth. What a mistake that would have been!!!
Does he pass the no dickhead test? Not sure he does.
