Game Day 2024 Draftmatmas live celebration and melt thread

[tigs2010]

Can you draft Duursma and trade for Reid? Or would it just be weird when Reid is telling everyone about boning the Duursma sister?

 

[Danog]

Can you draft Duursma and trade for Reid? Or would it just be weird when Reid is telling everyone about boning the Duursma sister?

Bottom 3 could still be

West Coast
Norf
Richmond

LDU leaves that s**tstain of a club via FA (Band 1). Means picks are:

1. Richmond
2. Richmond
3. Norf
4. West Coast

Richmond trade 2 and 2026 1st to WC for Reid.
West Coast trade 4 and Hawks 1st to Sydney for Warner

1. Sharp (Tiges)
2. Rodriguez (Eagles)
3. Another midfielder (Norf)
4. Whoever is left for WCE

Sharp and Reid makes us shoot up the ladder in 2026, so our 1st then isn't super low

 

[Richmond Flats]

F*** Reid. North lost "generational" JHF and got Sheezel and Wardlaw because of it. Would much rather the North pair than just JHF.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Does he pass the no dickhead test? Not sure he does.

It's not relevant if you're that good.

 

[tigs2010]

Bottom 3 could still be

West Coast
Norf
Richmond

LDU leaves that s**tstain of a club via FA (Band 1). Means picks are:

1. Richmond
2. Richmond
3. Norf
4. West Coast

Richmond trade 2 and 2026 1st to WC for Reid.
West Coast trade 4 and Hawks 1st to Sydney for Warner

1. Sharp (Tiges)
2. Rodriguez (Eagles)
3. Another midfielder (Norf)
4. Whoever is left for WCE

Sharp and Reid makes us shoot up the ladder in 2026, so our 1st then isn't super low

What's this got to do with him plowing the second girliest Duursma?

Can definitely see what some are saying that this could very easily be a massive overpay if we target him. Think our 2026 would still be top 5 or 6.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

F*** Reid. North lost "generational" JHF and got Sheezel and Wardlaw because of it. Would much rather the North pair than just JHF.

And they lost pick 1.It was pick 1 + JHF for pick 2 + 3

 

[tigs2010]

Think Norf got 3 & F1 (20ish) for JHF and also downgraded 1 to 2. If that's the going rate we'd be silly not to.

Norf aren't exactly shrewd operators though. Neither is Matty Clarke I guess.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Let's not be norf and let Reid slip through our fingers.
We have the capital in picks & cap.
Total nonsense not too have a dip unless you can guarantee 2 kids will be good at afl level.Simething that Reid he's more than capable of.

 

[energyquant]

tldr: I don't think we will be going after H Reid due to cap space opportunity cost in light of the new rules.


I think there are quite significant changes in pick trading & cap spend ruls that are going to mitigate against the recruitment of a player like Harley R to Richmond.

2 years ago, if you had any chance to get him to us in our current list shape, you kitchen sink him, no doubt.

But teams will only need to spend 90% cap space, & can save the rest(basically almost $1m less needs to be spent compared to before.) I presume that unspent amount can be saved for 3-4-5 years? Meaning if a club finds itself at 2028-9 with say $4m saved, they can essentially afford to carry at least 1 extra marquee wage player than other clubs for a period.

In addition to that we will be able to trade salary directly for picks.

So unspent salary is going to be massively more valuable than before in those 2 ways.

Taking on Reid at say $1.6m pa during years we are not likely to be contending suddenly has a much bigger opportunity cost to it.

It is for this reason much more than the picks it would cost us that I do not think Richmond will be joining a bidding war for H Reid as a serious player. There would be a tipping point for this though, if he was prepared to accept below a certain amount of salary to play for us. I doubt he will.

Due to these new rules I think Richmond will be the first of plenty of teams to attempt these voluntary rebuilds with bulk talent rapidly through the draft.

Notwithstanding the Taz team situation, imagine just for a moment say Collingwood finishes bottom 4 in 2025.

Imagine they have pick 3 & a free agent to release who can get them pick 4(a lot of teams would have this.)

Imagine they sell DeGoey and Quaynor & get picks 12 & 17.

2026 due to selling the players they finish low again. Pick 3 & sell cap space to get pick 8.

After just 2 years a basket case of a list is trasformed by picks 3, 3, 4, 8, 12, 17, 27, 28, but with a couple more top end picks to come.

Run lean on cap spend for say 4 years total, then use your war chest to buy free agents, & sign all your 21-22-23yo guns to big deals.

They find themselves in about 2029 with 26yo N Daicos, about 6 x top 10 picks on their list + another 6 top 30 picks, + 2 free agents. And the eldest of the gun draftees are hitting 23yo entering their prime.

Unlikely to happen in Pies case, & compromised drafts would hamper it, but it shows what is coming, & how much easier it will be to rebuild quickly with top end talent. Richmond I am sure will be just the first of many to do this.

You can bank unspent salary cap for 3 years. You can also front-load contracts, but this is going to be a very dangerous tactic (imagine if we had front-loaded Shai's contract for example).

 

[Profop]

This is all JHF’s fault. Before him there’d never be this level of inane hypothesis on a young early draft pick

Wish there was a way to ignore a topic across the whole site

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You can bank unspent salary cap for 3 years. You can also front-load contracts, but this is going to be a very dangerous tactic (imagine if we had front-loaded Shai's contract for example).

Think you'd be front loading those with the least flight risk.

So that is going to rapidly be $6m you can bank in the cap. Basically 5 years of a $1.2m marquee contract stored up.

 

[4tune8]

tldr: I don't think we will be going after H Reid due to cap space opportunity cost in light of the new rules.


I think there are quite significant changes in pick trading & cap spend ruls that are going to mitigate against the recruitment of a player like Harley R to Richmond.

2 years ago, if you had any chance to get him to us in our current list shape, you kitchen sink him, no doubt.

But teams will only need to spend 90% cap space, & can save the rest(basically almost $1m less needs to be spent compared to before.) I presume that unspent amount can be saved for 3-4-5 years? Meaning if a club finds itself at 2028-9 with say $4m saved, they can essentially afford to carry at least 1 extra marquee wage player than other clubs for a period.

In addition to that we will be able to trade salary directly for picks.

So unspent salary is going to be massively more valuable than before in those 2 ways.

Taking on Reid at say $1.6m pa during years we are not likely to be contending suddenly has a much bigger opportunity cost to it.

It is for this reason much more than the picks it would cost us that I do not think Richmond will be joining a bidding war for H Reid as a serious player. There would be a tipping point for this though, if he was prepared to accept below a certain amount of salary to play for us. I doubt he will.

Due to these new rules I think Richmond will be the first of plenty of teams to attempt these voluntary rebuilds with bulk talent rapidly through the draft.

Notwithstanding the Taz team situation, imagine just for a moment say Collingwood finishes bottom 4 in 2025.

Imagine they have pick 3 & a free agent to release who can get them pick 4(a lot of teams would have this.)

Imagine they sell DeGoey and Quaynor & get picks 12 & 17.

2026 due to selling the players they finish low again. Pick 3 & sell cap space to get pick 8.

After just 2 years a basket case of a list is trasformed by picks 3, 3, 4, 8, 12, 17, 27, 28, but with a couple more top end picks to come.

Run lean on cap spend for say 4 years total, then use your war chest to buy free agents, & sign all your 21-22-23yo guns to big deals.

They find themselves in about 2029 with 26yo N Daicos, about 6 x top 10 picks on their list + another 6 top 30 picks, + 2 free agents. And the eldest of the gun draftees are hitting 23yo entering their prime.

Unlikely to happen in Pies case, & compromised drafts would hamper it, but it shows what is coming, & how much easier it will be to rebuild quickly with top end talent. Richmond I am sure will be just the first of many to do this.

TPP's rise from nearly $16m this year to nearly $18m next year and the year after.

The new rules allow for the banking of an under spend for 3 years, we could easily have banked some cap this year so we could well have over $4m banked by the end of 2026.

It's already been reported that Carlton are under significant salary cap pressure and you'd think that Brisbane and GWS would be in a similar situation, although the latter 2 could have concessions.

Carlton would see themselves as contending over the next 4 years or so but they have a couple of players coming OOC in then next 2 and want to keep the group together as well as target a couple of FA's, but they can't do both, they may even be struggling to come up with enough to match offered contracts for their 2 coming out, TDK and Walsh.

We could sell them cap relief for future picks or take TDK off their hands.

We are too early into our build to be targeting players from other clubs no matter who they are.

8 players have just been added to our squad and top end talent at that, add another 4 high end picks over the next couple of years.

We will be looking to purchase picks for the next 2 years, give the kids time to show their strengths and weaknesses, we'll then know the types of players that we should be buying.

Who knows, we may have just recruited a better player than Reid.

 

[4tune8]

Let's not be norf and let Reid slip through our fingers.
We have the capital in picks & cap.
Total nonsense not too have a dip unless you can guarantee 2 kids will be good at afl level.Simething that Reid he's more than capable of.

We are not Norf. We are a destination club.

We do not need or want Reid. There's no need to get distracted by those shiny things this early into a rebuild.

We will be concentrating on the draft.

Once we have established the strengths and thereby the weaknesses of our team, we will then know the types of players to be looking at purchasing.

As Blair said more than once, they're putting together a premiership winning team.

Use our assets, but use them wisely, no premiership is won off the back of one player.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Let's not be norf and let Reid slip through our fingers.
We have the capital in picks & cap.
Total nonsense not too have a dip unless you can guarantee 2 kids will be good at afl level.Simething that Reid he's more than capable of.

Recruiting Reid in 2025 doesn't just cost you potentially 2 x top 5 draft picks.

It would also cost you another very high value draft pick(you could trade the saved cap space for this) OR a gun FA or salary dump from another club, or some combination of these things. Because you will have paid him maybe $6m before you are likely to contend, & the things I listed are what that $6m would buy you.

If he could somehow be obtained at a substantial discount in terms of picks and/or salary, then the equation might be different, but this would seem highly unlikely.

The cost of Richmond recruiting him just looks too great when you add the opportunity cost.

 

[4tune8]

Recruiting Reid in 2025 doesn't just cost you potentially 2 x top 5 draft picks.

It would also cost you another very high value draft pick(you could trade the saved cap space for this) OR a gun FA or salary dump from another club, or some combination of these things. Because you will have paid him maybe $6m before you are likely to contend, & the things I listed are what that $6m would buy you.

If he could somehow be obtained at a substantial discount in terms of picks and/or salary, then the equation might be different, but this would seem highly unlikely.

The cost of Richmond recruiting him just looks too great when you add the opportunity cost.

I have high hopes for the crop of young blokes that have just been injected into the squad, I have similar hopes for the two top 5 talents coming next year, add a couple more the year after and we're well on our way.

I understand the desire from some supporters thinking that buying a talent now will turbo charge our rebuild, but you're spot on by pointing out that it will cost us more than what we'd gain, something like buying Reid could well derail our plans and set us back years.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I have high hopes for the crop of young blokes that have just been injected into the squad, I have similar hopes for the two top 5 talents coming next year, add a couple more the year after and we're well on our way.

I understand the desire from some supporters thinking that buying a talent now will turbo charge our rebuild, but you're spot on by pointing out that it will cost us more than what we'd gain, something like buying Reid could well derail our plans and set us back years.

With all due respect that is absolute rubbish. You would get an elite mid for 10 years. Our midfield would be unstoppable and we would become a destination, premiership club

 

[sanaya]

With all due respect that is absolute rubbish. You would get an elite mid for 10 years. Our midfield would be unstoppable and we would become a destination, premiership club

what about LDU + sharp + rodriguez vs reid ?


if there's a generational fwd in next years draft, swap one of the mids for them. maybe there's an even better free agent in the next couple of years (technically LDU + reid is a possibility but that'll be like 20% of our cap)

 

[LTT]

He would suit our future midfield perfectly but it's different to the Lynch and Dusty long term contracts. Even if he has a huge season, you're paying an obscene amount of money for someone with less runs on the board and we're not in a window to be doing that just yet. Players accepted Dusty as he'd just had the best individual season in the AFL & Lynch was ok'd by the playing group as a way to ensure we would be a top contender for another few years and not a doggies 16. Reid isn't coming into that environment, it would still be another 3-4 years before we are fully in the window, so don't think it's quite the right fit for us.

I'm keeping 1&3 - draft the 2 best kids at our disposal and the look to FA/trades following year to plug some holes in that 22-25 year old group

LDU would be cheaper and he is a free agent

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

what about LDU + sharp + rodriguez vs reid ?


if there's a generational fwd in next years draft, swap one of the mids for them. maybe there's an even better free agent in the next couple of years (technically LDU + reid is a possibility but that'll be like 20% of our cap)

No thanks to LDU and others. Imo, we should chase Reid, if it doesn't come off we go to the draft.

 

[4tune8]

With all due respect that is absolute rubbish. You would get an elite mid for 10 years. Our midfield would be unstoppable and we would become a destination, premiership club

There's no respect in calling what I said "absolute rubbish"

You're like my ex wife when I used to get dragged along for shopping, I'd want to get it done and dusted, but she'd get distracted by all of the bright and shiny things.

Answer me this....

Do you think that we haven't drafted what could be the basis of an elite and dominant midfield for the next 10 years? I'm sure that you'll answer that we don't know because they haven't been tried and tested yet. The same could well be said for Reid, yes, he looks the goods, but he hasn't yet performed on the big stage, so the jury has to be out.

We will add two more top 5 talents next year that will compliment what we've just done, remember that it's the sum of the whole, not just the individual parts that build a premiership team.

I have no idea why you think that we're not a destination club, do you actually support another club?

 

[Danog]

What's this got to do with him plowing the second girliest Duursma?

Nothing. I just wanted to interrupt your erotic fanfiction

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Recruiting Reid in 2025 doesn't just cost you potentially 2 x top 5 draft picks.

It would also cost you another very high value draft pick(you could trade the saved cap space for this) OR a gun FA or salary dump from another club, or some combination of these things. Because you will have paid him maybe $6m before you are likely to contend, & the things I listed are what that $6m would buy you.

If he could somehow be obtained at a substantial discount in terms of picks and/or salary, then the equation might be different, but this would seem highly unlikely.

The cost of Richmond recruiting him just looks too great when you add the opportunity cost.

You sleep behind the wheel you die.
Reid is the next Dusty.
Let's not forget we juggled our cap space pretty well around Dusty and Lynchs amongst others.
I doubt very much if Reid decides too come home it will be about money.
7 of the 24 gang he'd know.

 

[Lsta062]

Interesting to hear from Cal Twomey that there was a lot interest in Taj Hotton and Jonty Faull from clubs between picks 11(14) and 18(21).

Richmond didn't want to take the risk of Sydney trading up to get Jonty Faull so took him at pick 11(14). Rated him the no 1 KPF in the draft.

Richmond also took Luke Trainor at pick 18(21) ahead of Harry Armstrong due to interest from the Swans.

So us screwing up Sydney is why John Longmire left?

 

[Lsta062]

With all due respect that is absolute rubbish. You would get an elite mid for 10 years. Our midfield would be unstoppable and we would become a destination, premiership club

But what if we get picks 1 and 3 and we get two elite midfielders instead of just Harley Reid? What if pick 1 is just as good as Harley Reid and pick 3 is also elite?

We’d then be better off. That’s why I’d be hesitant giving two top picks away for Reid. Yes, he’s elite, but we have to think about what our picks can get us.

 

[blaisee]

This video and the blues hierarchy reaction to recruiting Jagga seems completely inauthentic and staged

Not sure if this blues fan is happy or sad, he seems really worked up and angry

In any case poor Jagga has a heap of pressure on him, crazy expectations