Injury 2024 Injury Report/Updates

[ElliottsMaggies]

So given that 21 days is the standard for a hamstring and Mihocek played on the 21st day, had we gone cautious and waited one more week you don't think he would have been fine?

I mean, if that's the case why bring him back at all? Since even 2 months might not be enough amirite?

I mentioned earlier that Mihocek they obviously decided to make the call to play him given he had done the standard 21 days which happened to fall on match day. Understandable but still probably should have gone the cautious route.

We may have lost the Dockers game instead of drawing if Checkers didn't play..

Checkers may have redone his hammy during training that week & ended up missing the Doggies match anyway, which he would have returned for in your scenario..

And we likely would have lost the Crows game if JDG didn't play.

..that would be 3 losses instead of 1 win, 1 draw & a loss.

Sliding doors.

 

[jmac70]

So given that 21 days is the standard for a hamstring and Mihocek played on the 21st day, had we gone cautious and waited one more week you don't think he would have been fine?

I mean, if that's the case why bring him back at all? Since even 2 months might not be enough amirite?

I mentioned earlier that Mihocek they obviously decided to make the call to play him given he had done the standard 21 days which happened to fall on match day. Understandable but still probably should have gone the cautious route.

There is nothing obvious about this. You are making generalisations and applying it to a medical case you have no knowledge of.

His scans would have been assessed by a doctor. His training performance assessed by a variety of qualified people.

Yet, you are able to determine that an error was made.

Even more incredible is your view that Daicos should be rested based on the injury outcomes of Checkers and De Goey.

I wonder if your opinion is based on anything tangible other than a hunch.

 

[Chameleon75]

Still waiting for you to show how this would be the case

 

[sideswipe]

So given that 21 days is the standard for a hamstring and Mihocek played on the 21st day, had we gone cautious and waited one more week you don't think he would have been fine?

I mean, if that's the case why bring him back at all? Since even 2 months might not be enough amirite?

I mentioned earlier that Mihocek they obviously decided to make the call to play him given he had done the standard 21 days which happened to fall on match day. Understandable but still probably should have gone the cautious route.

Are you that thick to think there is anything like a “standard” injury of anything? The recovery from a muscle tear anywhere depends very much on the severity of the tear. That’s why we have doctors to assess injuries instead of statisticians.


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[manicpie]

The channel 9 reporter said that Nick might have to wait another week for his debut, lol. I think he meant TJ

 

[Mauvais Cheval]

I think we need to accept that Checkers is no ordinary man with an ordinary man's ailments.

 

[DopeMaster]

Here's a wild idea.. play Nick Daicos as the sub... freshen him up for the 2nd half of the year but also he'll be able to tear North apart in the 2nd half.

Nah start him with the possibility of subbing him off early if we're out to a big lead. Same result, but at least we start the game with a semblance of a midfield.

 

[Doc1763]

Well...in this particular case if they did? Mihocek and De Goey would be playing right now...

and we'd have 6 less premiership point than we do right now.

 

[Doc1763]

The channel 9 reporter said that Nick might have to wait another week for his debut, lol. I think he meant TJ

well, if he waits a week, he'll be debuting on his Pat Malone

 

[Doc1763]

I reckon Moore might have a bruise on his knee. No point risking it getting any bigger in such a gimme game - rest him and play TJ.

 

[Doc1763]

I reckon it would be an absolute disaster if Cameron got injured in such a gimme game - rest him and unleash The Roo on The Roos.

 

[sr36]

I reckon it would be an absolute disaster if Cameron got injured in such a gimme game - rest him and unleash The Roo on The Roos.

I'd bring Checkers back against the Roos. They said this tear was much smaller than the first. Pretty weak of the club to not be playing him.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I'll play.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Are you that thick to think there is anything like a “standard” injury of anything? The recovery from a muscle tear anywhere depends very much on the severity of the tear. That’s why we have doctors to assess injuries instead of statisticians.


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ooooh right...so now there isn't an accepted "standard" for hamstrings?

ok sure

So all those "3 week" "21 day" calls we see all the time are just from forums posters, twitter trolls and random people in the street then?

 

[Pistol Night]

Doubt Nick will want to miss Bruzzy's 200th seeing as hes been his on field bodyguard the past 3 years.

 

[76woodenspooners]

ooooh right...so now there isn't an accepted "standard" for hamstrings?

ok sure

So all those "3 week" "21 day" calls we see all the time are just from forums posters, twitter trolls and random people in the street then?

Biology is not an exact science. It varies from person to person, and it varies within a person as they age, their diet, their sleeping quality, etc.

And no two injuries are the same - the grade scales are a very crude approximation.

Plus some things would be able to be measured by systems like ultrasound which would allow doctors to monitor the progression of the healing. If they can measure that something is a “partial tendon tear”, then I’d imagine they can measure when said partial tendon tear is no longer partially torn?

 

[jmac70]

ooooh right...so now there isn't an accepted "standard" for hamstrings?

ok sure

So all those "3 week" "21 day" calls we see all the time are just from forums posters, twitter trolls and random people in the street then?

Checkers must have passed all the tests to be passed fit to play.
If he’d been given another week, it is possible he may not have injured his hamstring again.
It’s also possible that he still would have injured it.

No one can know for sure.

 

[sideswipe]

ooooh right...so now there isn't an accepted "standard" for hamstrings?

ok sure

So all those "3 week" "21 day" calls we see all the time are just from forums posters, twitter trolls and random people in the street then?

The standard is an expectation based on generalities. You shouldn't apply it as a hard and fast recovery time to an individual case. Suggesting an error was made because Player X returned at Day 20 because that is less than standard?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Checkers must have passed all the tests to be passed fit to play.
If he’d been given another week, it is possible he may not have injured his hamstring again.
It’s also possible that he still would have injured it.

No one can know for sure.

Of course

This is a discussion forum.

Which is why we’re discussing it.

Would be awesome if more discussions could happen without people getting irrationally upset over people’s opinions though

Would make for better discussion

 

[jmac70]

Of course

This is a discussion forum.

Which is why we’re discussing it.

Would be awesome if more discussions could happen without people getting irrationally upset over people’s opinions though

Would make for better discussion

I think it is reasonable to ask questions when players return from injury early, only to suffer another injury.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to definitively say an error was made though, given we don’t know the medical history.

I definitely don’t think it’s reasonable to conclude that Nick should be rested based on the injury outcomes of other players.

Hopefully Nick plays on Sunday and we win.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I think it is reasonable to ask questions when players return from injury early, only to suffer another injury.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to definitively say an error was made though, given we don’t know the medical history.

I definitely don’t think it’s reasonable to conclude that Nick should be rested based on the injury outcomes of other players.

Hopefully Nick plays on Sunday and we win.

Again, it’s a discussion forum where people give opinions

My opinion, was that I thought we should give Nick the week off if there was any risk in him making things worse.

I also responded to others saying “of course if he’s 100% then play him” but given we’re playing North it just didn’t seem like a risk worth taking to me with a view to the bigger picture of a long season

I was perfectly well reasoned with my opinions and it came from a good place. You’d think “let’s hope our best player doesn’t get hurt” would be a train of thought most here would welcome? Particularly when it comes from an infamously “negative” poster?

But I already know some of the responses this post itself will get too (not necessarily from you but other usuals). The same selective out of context quips and snark that tow the “but you also said” line that’s become the norm lately

In the end, I’m erring on the side of caution out of fear our best player could get hurt. I feel like that’s hardly a stance that warrants derision.

To those who have responded to me in a rational and reasonable manner? It’s appreciated.

 

[rand corp]

The solution is patently clear, we must sack Wade and the entire medical department, then recruit a whole new team from amongst posters in this thread.

Plus, a massive increase in duct tape and paracetamol spending.

 

[Chameleon75]

Doubt Nick will want to miss Bruzzy's 200th seeing as hes been his on field bodyguard the past 3 years.

I didn’t think bruzzy needed a bodyguard

 

[Mauvais Cheval]

The solution is patently clear, we must sack Wade and the entire medical department, then recruit a whole new team from amongst posters in this thread.

Plus, a massive increase in duct tape and paracetamol spending.

If you are going to pull out the duct tape Im going to need something stronger than paracetamol for after care.

 

[manicmagpie]

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has progressed out of concussion protocols. Good news there as he can now get properly into his rehab for the knee injury.