Injury 2024 Injury Thread

[Mesc]

Would love to see Sebit Kuek get a few games on the trot early in 2025.

EFA

 

[Paracleet]

I suspect that the "effort" wouldn't come into it. Walls and co would weigh up all the factors and have decided that delisting Corbett isn't something they want to do. Could be list related, could be that Corbett just won the clubman etc. Whatever reasoning they have, they think this was the best decision for the club and I'm ok with that.

I've been reflecting on this further and I suspect that in fact this situation does present us with an opportunity to run at 35 and 7. Let us assume we take only one DFA and three main draft picks then come list lodgement we would have 36 on the main list and 6 rookie spots (with a minimum of 4 of them filled). Immediately post lodgement we then move Corbett to the the LTI (I am confident the part of the rules that says you have to do it that way is correct). That would create a rookie spot which we can then fill in the SSP or, if we wish, wait to the MSD (or hold open for this mooted mid season trade period?). Filled or otherwise it means for 2024* we would be 35 and 7.

I think the reason we are doing it this way, apart from not creating ill will by delisting injured players in contract (loyalty is a two way street), is that if we deslit him now then we have to fill his main list spot, whereas if we don't then replacement can be a rookie (the '80k saving').

*Before anyone tries to argue this point 2024 actually starts in 2023 when you lodge the list. I.E. we 'start' at 36 and 6 and then immediately shift to 35 and 7, so we're not breaking the rules.

 

[freo_leo29]

It's not like it's saving actual money, though? It's $80K not counted towards the salary cap, rather than $80K saved. If we've been reserving cap space in an attempt to bring in LMD, it might be the case (don't really know) that the loss of the Henry and Schultz salaries puts at the salary cap floor? Even if not, I can see why it might be felt the 0.5% of cap space is hardly worth the effort if there's already considerable breathing space.

Cap space is way more important than actual money


We will never struggle for money at Freo barring a catastrophe, there will always be a cap in place for tpp

 

[freo_leo29]

I've been reflecting on this further and I suspect that in fact this situation does present us with an opportunity to run at 35 and 7. Let us assume we take only one DFA and three main draft picks then come list lodgement we would have 36 on the main list and 6 rookie spots (with a minimum of 4 of them filled). Immediately post lodgement we then move Corbett to the the LTI (I am confident the part of the rules that says you have to do it that way is correct). That would create a rookie spot which we can then fill in the SSP or, if we wish, wait to the MSD (or hold open for this mooted mid season trade period?). Filled or otherwise it means for 2024* we would be 35 and 7.

I think the reason we are doing it this way, apart from not creating ill will by delisting injured players in contract (loyalty is a two way street), is that if we deslit him now then we have to fill his main list spot, whereas if we don't then replacement can be a rookie (the '80k saving').

*Before anyone tries to argue this point 2024 actually starts in 2023 when you lodge the list. I.E. we 'start' at 36 and 6 and then immediately shift to 35 and 7, so we're not breaking the rules.

That's still 36 and 6 though

Corbett is paid in the cap


If we get sharp as an ssp then I have no problem with it, my argument is with people saying we take 2x DFA's and causing a 37 and 5 situation

 

[pK75]

That's still 36 and 6 though

Corbett is paid in the cap


If we get sharp as an ssp then I have no problem with it, my argument is with people saying we take 2x DFA's and causing a 37 and 5 situation

We will end up 36+7+2 so 45 on the list but 1 inactive. If you are running with 45 you need 9 of them on the rookie list, it equates to $720,000 in cap relief.

 

[Paracleet]

That's still 36 and 6 though

Corbett is paid in the cap


If we get sharp as an ssp then I have no problem with it, my argument is with people saying we take 2x DFA's and causing a 37 and 5 situation

We were never taking 2 DFA's is my take. And Sharp was never going to be the one we took. This must have been nosing about for a while or Twomey wouldn't have run with it publically during the trade period.

Also delisting Corbett and doesn't take his money out of the cap. It might take 80k off his wage inside the cap but then we add it back on by replacing him on the main list. Look at this way:

Cobett delisted now, then made inactive after reselecting:

36 on main list + Corbetts wages
6 times rookie list 80k discount

Corbett retained on ML then moved onto LTIL:

35 on main list + Corbetts wages
7 times 80k discount

 

[freo_leo29]

We will end up 36+7+2 so 45 on the list but 1 inactive. If you are running with 45 you need 9 of them on the rookie list, it equates to $720,000 in cap relief.

Yeah but it'll be 36 and 6 (+2 cat b) at list lodgement

Then an ssp, if kuek falters then next year we may take a msd pick too equating to 36 + 8 + 2 cat b


Either way, I hope we can convince sharp to take a rookie ssp contract, allows us to run 36 and save that 80k, if he is a DFA then it's likely that we end up with 37 on the list at lodgement

 

[freo_leo29]

We were never taking 2 DFA's is my take. And Sharp was never going to be the one we took. This must have been nosing about for a while or Twomey wouldn't have run with it publically during the trade period.

Also delisting Corbett and doesn't take his money out of the cap. It might take 80k off his wage inside the cap but then we add it back on by replacing him on the main list. Look at this way:

Cobett delisted now, then made inactive after reselecting:

36 on main list + Corbetts wages
6 times rookie list 80k discount

Corbett retained on ML then moved onto LTIL:

35 on main list + Corbetts wages
7 times 80k discount

They're the same thing, as Corbett would be placed on the inactive list ala seedsman, Culley, etc

So both scenarios we run with 7 rookies



Your first sentence agrees with me though, as long as we don't run 37 on the main list then we are fine and saving the 80k, so we can probably put this to bed in that the consensus is that we will run 36 on the main list instead of 37 (remember my argument was based on superkoops running the 37 with 2x DFA's)

 

[The Feeder Club]

They're the same thing, as Corbett would be placed on the inactive list ala seedsman, Culley, etc

So both scenarios we run with 7 rookies



Your first sentence agrees with me though, as long as we don't run 37 on the main list then we are fine and saving the 80k, so we can probably put this to bed in that the consensus is that we will run 36 on the main list instead of 37 (remember my argument was based on superkoops running the 37 with 2x DFA's)

I couldn't like this because I just noticed across 23474 posts, you have a post:like ratio of exactly 1:1 and I didn't want to be the one to destroy the perfect symmetry. What are the chances of that?
I know this post is irrelevant to the thread, but that doesn't seem to matter much anymore

 

[Docker82]

I've been reflecting on this further and I suspect that in fact this situation does present us with an opportunity to run at 35 and 7. Let us assume we take only one DFA and three main draft picks then come list lodgement we would have 36 on the main list and 6 rookie spots (with a minimum of 4 of them filled). Immediately post lodgement we then move Corbett to the the LTI (I am confident the part of the rules that says you have to do it that way is correct). That would create a rookie spot which we can then fill in the SSP or, if we wish, wait to the MSD (or hold open for this mooted mid season trade period?). Filled or otherwise it means for 2024* we would be 35 and 7.

I think the reason we are doing it this way, apart from not creating ill will by delisting injured players in contract (loyalty is a two way street), is that if we deslit him now then we have to fill his main list spot, whereas if we don't then replacement can be a rookie (the '80k saving').

*Before anyone tries to argue this point 2024 actually starts in 2023 when you lodge the list. I.E. we 'start' at 36 and 6 and then immediately shift to 35 and 7, so we're not breaking the rules.

We can 100% do this - it’s been done by many teams since the SPP has been in place.

I do get the feeling it end up being 35 and 6 or 36 and 5 anyway though. Mainly because there’s a pretty strong chance we’re quite sh**e next year. You’d want a pick in the MSD if it’s a top 4-5 selection. My view is these picks are better than most rookie picks but get further into the MSD and that isn’t the case.

I say 35 and 6 OR 36 and 5 as I’m not convinced we can’t delist and re-rookie Corbett and sign a SPP in their place. The AFL documents say one thing but there’s clear evidence over multiple years that long term injured rookie listed players are being replaced in the SPP and MSD.

 

[Superkoops]

35+7 vs 36+6

The difference is really the following:
2DFA + 1RD + 1SSP
1 DFA + 2RD + 1SSP (save Salary cap space)

The difference being Sharp
DFA vs SSP

 

[Docker82]

35+7 vs 36+6

The difference is really the following:
2DFA + 1RD + 1SSP
1 DFA + 2RD + 1SSP (save Salary cap space)

The difference being Sharp
DFA vs SSP

Good chance the second scenario is actually 1DFA +1RD+2SPP.

Sharp would probably be listed as soon as possible after the Rookie Draft in that scenario but would still be technically a SPP signing.

I wouldn’t expect Sharp to have much of an impact on how we use that last spot tbh.

We haven’t genuinely used a second rookie draft spot since covid (we’ve only redrafted delisted players) so it’d be a bit of a change from our normal strategy to do so. Having said that the club has drafted 4+ for a decade and has never signed a player through DFA or SPP.

 

[Superkoops]

Good chance the second scenario is actually 1DFA +1RD+2SPP.

Sharp would probably be listed as soon as possible after the Rookie Draft in that scenario but would still be technically a SPP signing.

I wouldn’t expect Sharp to have much of an impact on how we use that last spot tbh.

We haven’t genuinely used a second rookie draft spot since covid (we’ve only redrafted delisted players) so it’d be a bit of a change from our normal strategy to do so. Having said that the club has drafted 4+ for a decade and has never signed a player through DFA or SPP.

I was just pointing out that the process of Sharp being added to the List will shape decision on separate list numbers and I believe it will. At the end of the day I don’t believe it will make that much of difference.

Either DFA or SSP.

I don’t disagree with your comments and we may well stick with just 1 RD live selection and leave a Rookie spot open for SSP. It then comes back to DFA or SSP for Sharp.

It does appear unlikely that Freo go with 2 x DFA’s given the history.

Our usual approach is:

• Never a DFA (I think the option of being able to select previously listed players prior to ND has opened up this opportunity - think Corey Wagner last year) - first DFA to be selected by Freo will be McDonald
• usually 4 ND selections (we will go with 3 due to perceived lack of depth in this draft, well at least that is the view from Walls)
• never an SSP but gone down the MSD option (seems likely that Sharp will bypass the drafts and commence pre-season training with Freo to be selected a week or two post the Rookie draft) - another spot held open for either SSP no. 2 or MSD
• only 1 live RD selection (this will prob pan out - except the decision on a second live rookie draft spot will depend on who is available and whether that is held for second SSP)

Very likely 36 + 6 + 2
(One of the 6 rookies an SSP) and additional rookie via LTI for Corbett being Sharp.

I think that final Rookie spot via SSP or MSD will go similar to last preseason where we had Stubbs and Serong training. A decision likely not until Feb or otherwise hold off completely for MSD pick.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Emmett with a stress fracture, delayed start to pre season


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[MakeshiftMartyr]

I hate next year already.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

We had 18 months of a decent run with injuries

To the end of the season, started turning to poop

From what I can understand, we have from round 24's update to training reports

Walters - calf
Emmett - stress fracture
Banners - shoulder
Omera - calf
Hughes - ankle
Chappy - shoulder
Darcy - ankle
Walker - knee
Fyfe - foot
Kuek - knee

The x 2 calf's should be fine now

Ankles, knees, shoulders... all structural can impact pre season starts


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[more_of_bito]

Would think Walker, Kuek and Emmett would be only ones lingering from 23. Chapman /Fyfe in kid gloves but expect to see both in full drills by Christmas

 

[muzzington]

Emmett with a stress fracture, delayed start to pre season


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[Superkoops]

Would think Walker, Kuek and Emmett would be only ones lingering from 23. Chapman /Fyfe in kid gloves but expect to see both in full drills by Christmas

There were some IG clips posted yesterday of the boys training hard in Albany. Quite a nice oval actually with nice change rooms.

Anyway - Chapman doing some running and tackling drills. Looked pretty good. Walker doing some sprints with change of direction. Also looked like he was progressing quite well.

Emmett and Kuek were helping serve Big Macs and frozen cokes at Maccas. They are obviously in Rehab as has been mentioned. Emmett certainly bending forward with no real issue. Hopefully he’ll be up and running in the new year and it is a case of being picked up early and managed accordingly.

 

[freo_leo29]

Sturt gone In for knee surgery


Out til late Jan

 

[DragoDelph]

Sturt gone In for knee surgery


Out til late Jan

Sounds pretty minor, they only have a few weeks left before xmas break anyway.
Plus it looks like he put in a ton of work, so shouldn't take too long to get back (fingers crossed)

Sam Sturt injury update

Minor knee surgery sidelines forward

www.fremantlefc.com.au

 

[freo1997]

Keuk,Corbett, Emmet and Sturt.

That’s our fwd depth and one starting 22.

 

[Dockeroo]

Disappointing for Sturt but at least he will be back by late jan so it still gives him a solid 6 or 7 week block before round 1.

 

[clivenator26]

Sturt will slot in on a flank to the Freo Dockers "What If" team of all time.

Barlow/Hayden had amazing careers given their injuries but I reckon both would've been AA chances without the leg breaks. I had to slot in the two Harley's on back flanks. Morabito Captain as I reckon he would've got us over the line in 2013 and maybe another one and probably would've cost Fyfe his Brownlows - might have got one each!

B: Hayden - Woods - Pitt
HB: Bennell - Polak - Balic
C: Delaney - Morabito (C) - J Simpson
HF: Sturt - JLo - Dardy
F: Apeness - Hogan - Yarran
R - Clem - Barlow - Sylvia
Sub - Ruffles

 

[FreoFan85]

play thei

Sturt will slot in on a flank to the Freo Dockers "What If" team of all time.

Barlow/Hayden had amazing careers given their injuries but I reckon both would've been AA chances without the leg breaks. I had to slot in the two Harley's on back flanks. Morabito Captain as I reckon he would've got us over the line in 2013 and maybe another one and probably would've cost Fyfe his Brownlows - might have got one each!

B: Hayden - Woods - Pitt
HB: Bennell - Polak - Balic
C: Delaney - Morabito (C) - J Simpson
HF: Sturt - JLo - Dardy
F: Apeness - Hogan - Yarran
R - Clem - Barlow - Sylvia
Sub - Ruffles

Ironically, no one sitting on the bench.