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Another small forward that struggles to hit the scoreboard? No thanks
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I always find it hilarious when people label our List Manager a failure when a player requests a trade to club other than Carlton.
Unless things have changed recently Freo supporters absolutely hate on him too.
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IMO SOS never received real-time feedback, as the consensus was that it would take time to all come together as he'd scrapped the existing list for parts with an eye to longer-term returns via young players and draft picks.
Rightly or wrongly, his work is now being appraised.
Meanwhile, Austin has tended to go more for sure things (Saad/Cerra) than taking earlier picks to the draft or trading back for additional picks etc.
Both have wins and losses but I am concerned about Austin's reluctance to target KPD as it has resulted in Weiters playing almost solely a stopping role when he should be amongst the best CHB in the comp where he can exert greater influence on the game & there's little in the way of succession planning as I feel we're consistently allocating resources to papering over cracks.
Unlike previous versions of our club hierarchy, I believe Cook will make the appropriate informed decisions on key personnel.
Which we must do.
Extremely underrated role player. Tough, quick ish, durable and hits the scoreboard
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Potentially an unpopular opinion but our style of play doesn't favour small forwards.
In brief glimpses, we've honoured leads from Martin and Owies and there's been success, otherwise, we revert to dump kicks to a static Charlie who through injury or effort, doesn't create much for players feed off.
I believe our ball use and lack of movement inside 50 are of more concern than the overall personnel representing us (though there is still clear room for improvement).
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The small forwards should be the ones delivering inside 50, ours struggle to find the ball more than 7-8 times per game and butcher the opportunities that they do get. Look at Miers, Close and Stengle and see how much they get involved in scoring chains, then look at Durdin, Owies and Orazio... It's night and day.
They get pushed under the ball far too easily, rarely compete in the air, almost never present quality leads and struggle to kick goals via crumbing.
They are the worst in the competition, despite us having an absolutely awesome team in most other areas of the ground. They need to be moved on.
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I wonder if we’d ask the question of switkowski from freo! Looks like that small forward push up through the midfield type with some speed thrown in.
Not sure you can fairly compare SOS to Austin.
SOS did a great job trading to get us multiple early picks, then proceeded to blow most of them, aside from 2015. Austin on the other hand has had very little currency to work with but was left with a lot of list gaps to fill by SOS. Done a decent job in my view. Some good trades and free agency acquisitions. Most his draft picks have looked at least ok and played games early. Not many complete misses. Not many guys that look like they will be stars either but it's still early and those are hard to find where he has been picking.
Only criticism is he is a little soft at the negotiating table though I suspect our reputation as a trading partner is better now than under SOS. The Williams free agency aquisition was also a shocker but I can see why the club got desperate. Reckon SOS would have done the same thing after missing Shiel and Coniglio in successive years.
Some will say he should have pushed harder to get us up the draft board last year but that was never realistic.
Happy to give him more time before putting him in the gun.
SOS did a great job trading to get us multiple early picks, then proceeded to blow most of them, aside from 2015. Austin on the other hand has had very little currency to work with but was left with a lot of list gaps to fill by SOS. Done a decent job in my view. Some good trades and free agency acquisitions. Most his draft picks have looked at least ok and played games early. Not many complete misses. Not many guys that look like they will be stars either but it's still early and those are hard to find where he has been picking.
Only criticism is he is a little soft at the negotiating table though I suspect our reputation as a trading partner is better now than under SOS. The Williams free agency aquisition was also a shocker but I can see why the club got desperate. Reckon SOS would have done the same thing after missing Shiel and Coniglio in successive years.
Some will say he should have pushed harder to get us up the draft board last year but that was never realistic.
Happy to give him more time before putting him in the gun.
Yeah I like the stronger body and the fact he gets involved in general play much more than Fantasia & Durdin.
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It comes down to their role within the forward structure - Geelong & Pies, routinely look for their smalls, our ball movement hones in on H or C when they're inside 50 which serves neither the KPP or the smalls.
Flankers and those tasked with pushing higher upfield should be bringing the ball inside 50 to create quality looks - it's why DC continues to get chances and why we picked up Elijah & Fantasia. It's an area that we've identified for improvement, it's not the role that Durds or Owies play though.
Your crumbers and more traditional smalls are more there to clean up the scraps, manipulate space and apply pressure than anything else.
Owies continues to be underrated in this space, particularly given how little quality ball goes his way, he punches above his weight. (on track for a 30+ goal season)
As for being an absolutely awesome team in most other areas, I agree to disagree. We've got an unbalanced midfield and an attack-first-defend second backline held together by an All-Aus level talent in Weitering, playing behind a treacle slow and at times porous midfield.
These are far more pressing needs than additional smalls at present, that on exposed form we wouldn't really play through anyway.
Swans, Cats etc losses weren't as a result of lacking of a Charlie Cameron, Stengle or similar..
Don't really agree with this, other than being unbalanced.
Our backline and midfield have largely been decimated by injuries this year. Otherwise, they're actually very good packed with talent throughout.
Backs: Doch/Saad/Weitering are all around AA level...McGovern when fit is great
Mids: Cripps, Walsh are perennially AA level, Cerra was last year before pinging his hammy 4 times in less than a season.
Our issue is that around that core of stars we don't have balanced pieces.
We have a generational contested beast in Cripps, but his weakness is pace and we filled out the rest of the midfield with Cerra (not that fast but silky skills) and Kennedy + Hewett who are both considered one paced.
We had such a dearth of small forward options so we've spent a heap of draft picks trying to find one. How many do we now have on the list? It's insane to spend so many list spots and draft picks on one position for such little return.
Durdin
Owies
Fantasia
Cuningham
Motlop
Martin
Hollands
Fogarty
Cottrell
9 of our 44 list spots are taken up by players whose primary position is HFF or small forward. This more than anything is unbalancing our list build and the reason why we're so one-dimensional in the midfield.
Ben and Harry don't want to play with each other
I'm not critical of SOS or Austin. It's not an easy job. SOS took over a basketcase of a list
I personally think development has and still is our biggest issue
Our list is close. It's what we do now that really counts
This is what gets lost with just about every discussion on list managers - development and coaching.
You could have the best list manager going round, but it means nothing if the club doesn’t have the right infrastructure to develop the kid once he comes to the club.
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It's a great observation
I'd much prefer if one or both Charlie and Harry work more up the ground rather than cementing themselves inside 50, as it also attracts a +1 opposition player
We also need to look for shorter hitups, forcing the opposition up to cover, creating more space behind the forward 50 arc
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Anyone able to explain why Durdin was given a 2 year extension?
When he first came to the blues I thought he showed some promise but lately its like he's not even on the field.
What am I missing here?
Is he doing really important things that are not always possible to see on TV?
Am I not looking close enough?
When he first came to the blues I thought he showed some promise but lately its like he's not even on the field.
What am I missing here?
Is he doing really important things that are not always possible to see on TV?
Am I not looking close enough?
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That would be incest….
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End of 2023: 75 games, 42 goals.
Shorter than JSOS and nowhere near as versatile.
Also an average kick in general play and doesn't do half the 1% ers that JSOS does.
"Handy" player but we need to set our sights on players that force others out of our best 22 (JSOS or otherwise).
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I couldn't agree more, having a static target camped around 30m out favours the defence more than it does us. It clogs the dangerous part of the forward line and provides a point of reference for defenders to work from, if we aren't hitting short lead-up targets to draw the attention of defenders it exacerbates the issue.
Movement causes panic in the defence and creates avenues for smalls to run into.
Has the Ruddster even lined-up for us yet in the 2’s?At this stage, I can see Lemm being developed as a tall defender - where he's been trialled at times in the scratch matches. Right now, he's not great overhead, but has athleticism and good ball skills, which seem to be more the traits of a defender.
Which also may be why we recruited Michael Rudd in the VFL....looks a natural forward. We were linked to him in the draft, so possibly having a look at him before the MSD. Like I've previously posted, he was very impressive in a few of the U18's championship matches and probably unlucky not to get drafted.
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