List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Lace Out]

It’s early obviously but at what point in the year does one start to worry that Hugh hasn’t put pen to paper? Bye round (not this one)?

Big worry already for any fans that don’t want it to happen.

My view is it will release the valve on burgeoning Ashcroft contracts.If it wasn’t for those two father sons he would have his money and signed by now.Think Geelong will have a crack.

 

[M Malice]

I would be flabbergasted if Hugh McCluggage

6

Hugh Mccluggage

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

is not a Lion in 2025 and beyond.

 

[Scubaveg]

Bored thought bubble.

Levi Ashcroft shows all the signs of being very good straight up in 2025, if Sam Marshall has a really good year and moves up the ratings do we contemplate looking at trading out someone with currency who has not quite lived up to expectations?

eg. Cam Rayner, Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

25

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

, Jarrod Berry

7

Jarrod Berry

Age

27

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

. Not all 3, just one.

I'd trade Bailey.


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[Bucking Beads]

I'd trade Bailey.


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I think we are going to need to make a call on someone this off season to help us get the future plan solidified.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I'd trade Bailey.


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I'd keep him. Charlie and Linc won't be around for too long. Hopefully Bailey and Rayner can take their games to the next level in their absence

 

[briztoon]

Unless one of our under 26’ers or best 23 players asks for a trade, I believe any talk of trading any of them is a bit silly.

Trade for who or what?

One of the King brothers or JUH? Sure.

Matt Rowell

18

Matt Rowell

Age

23

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

or Harley Reid? Sure.

Draft picks? We’d need pick 1 or 2. Any other draft picks this year are just going to get eaten up matching Levi and academy bids.


And everyone freaking knows I’m way more likely to want an extra draft pick than an established player, and if I don’t believe it’s a good idea…

 

[SpecialBruce]

I'd trade Bailey.


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Rayner would be my pick. He will give us good currency on the trade table. Bailey is needed and will lift. He still has improvement. We can't trade him.

We would be lucky to get a third for Berry, but I'd definitely see if GC are interested for a pick upgrade.

 

[Tom14]

Once again, Berry is a free agent this year. No trade will happen (assuming we don’t match an offer if he is an RFA).

I think we could get a second round or end of second round comp pick, which will be eaten up by bids.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Once again, Berry is a free agent this year. No trade will happen (assuming we don’t match an offer if he is an RFA).

I think we could get a second round or end of second round comp pick, which will be eaten up by bids.

Could come in handy to match and not impact our picks for next year

 

[Tom14]

Could come in handy to match and not impact our picks for next year

Put it this way, I'm not rushing to re-sign Berry. Particularly if we aren't even going to play him on the wing anymore.

 

[martinson]

Put it this way, I'm not rushing to re-sign Berry. Particularly if we aren't even going to play him on the wing anymore.

I'm hoping otherwise but tbh Bez looks a bit cooked. He can still cover the ground and get where he needs to be but once there just can't seem to finish it off.

Wouldn't trade Bailey. He is still capable of another level. Not sure why he can't impact games more but he has the jets and the finishing skills to be better.

Rayner I'm open to and the ball's in his court this year.

Bit with Britz in that unless we get a good trade out of it Rayner and Bailey particularly are still worth their spot.

But the time has come ,particularly if we don't progress this year ,where you have to ask whether guys in their 5th or 6th year who aren't getting any better are worth paying big money to.

Clug is an interesting one. Obviously no one would want to trade him. Like to see him put pen to paper asap though.

 

[Scubaveg]

I'd keep him. Charlie and Linc won't be around for too long. Hopefully Bailey and Rayner can take their games to the next level in their absence

We've seen the best we will see from both Rayner and Bailey.


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[Nathan Barley]

We've seen the best we will see from both Rayner and Bailey.


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That’s fine. Cam 5th in the B&F last year. Baileys had a few top 10 finishes as well

 

[Viceregal]

We've seen the best we will see from both Rayner and Bailey.


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Unfortunately while we have seen them both do some wonderful things we only see them occasionally in a season (not even occasionally in a game which would be better!)

 

[Scubaveg]

Unfortunately while we have seen them both do some wonderful things we only see them occasionally in a season (not even occasionally in a game which would be better!)

Yep and therefore I'd have no problem trading Bailey. Rayner seems to be more in the fabric of the club than Bailey and as a result there may be some damage trading him. Which would mean we likely need to avoid that.


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[3KZ is Football]

That’s fine. Cam 5th in the B&F last year. Baileys had a few top 10 finishes as well

Merrett-Murray Medal

The voting system, as of the 2017 AFL season, consists of the senior coach and assistant coaches scoring players based on their overall performance, influence on the game, team contribution and compliance with team values. - Wikipedia

2023 Brownlow Medal Votes

Brisbane
31 - Lachie Neale
12 - Joe Daniher
10 - Will Ashcroft
8 - Harris Andrews, Charlie Cameron
5 - Zac Bailey
4 - Josh Dunkley
3 - Hugh McCluggage, Jack Gunston, Keidean Coleman
2 - Cam Rayner
1 - Eric Hipwood, Daniel Rich, Jarrod Berry

I would have rated Neale, Daniher, Ashcroft, Andrews, Cameron, Bailey, Dunkley, McCluggage and Coleman above Rayner in terms of performance last year. The fact that the Best and Fairest is a coaches award means that it is more open to #CPS (Coach’s Pet Syndrome).

That said, 2023 was Rayner’s best season to date, although he still hasn’t shaken the tag as a low possession (career average 12.55 disposals), low scoreboard impact player (0.91 goal average) who goes missing either completely or for extended periods in big games.

 

[martinson]

Merrett-Murray Medal


2023 Brownlow Medal Votes

I would have rated Neale, Daniher, Ashcroft, Andrews, Cameron, Bailey, Dunkley, McCluggage and Coleman above Rayner in terms of performance last year. The fact that the Best and Fairest is a coaches award means that it is more open to #CPS (Coach’s Pet Syndrome).

That said, 2023 was Rayner’s best season to date, although he still hasn’t shaken the tag as a low possession (career average 12.55 disposals), low scoreboard impact player (0.91 goal average) who goes missing either completely or for extended periods in big games.

Joe was a bit stiff not to make AA last year. How some of the guys who finished head of him did in our B/F who would know but it's not out of the realms of possibilities that club votes are more biased than what some people seem to think umps.votes are

 

[3KZ is Football]

Joe was a bit stiff not to make AA last year. How some of the guys who finished head of him did in our B/F who would know but it's not out of the realms of possibilities that club votes are more biased than what some people seem to think umps.votes are

100%

 

[martinson]

100%

Cam has been a poster boy and mollycoddled since he arrived. He's a great fella and well liked , perfect PR material. We would love him to be a super player , well as we would all players , but Cam would be a great marketing tool.

I suppose this is they year he delivers. If not we should find a role where he is important to the team.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Cam has been a poster boy and mollycoddled since he arrived. He's a great fella and well liked , perfect PR material. We would love him to be a super player , well as we would all players , but Cam would be a great marketing tool.

I suppose this is they year he delivers. If not we should find a role where he is important to the team.

So we're rigging B&F results to pander to Cams ego?

Cmon Martinson you're better than this

The coaches might not be perfect but their opinions are the ones we should value the highest, not brain-dead all australian voters or umpires or numpities on this board

 

[Kickback Flip]

So we're rigging B&F results to pander to Cams ego?

Cmon Martinson you're better than this

The coaches might not be perfect but their opinions are the ones we should value the highest, not brain-dead all australian voters or umpires or numpities on this board

Who do you think had a better season last year out of Daniher and Rayner, or Cameron and Rayner?

 

[Nathan Barley]

Who do you think had a better season last year out of Daniher and Rayner, or Cameron and Rayner?

Daniher and Cameron but I like all of us on this forum don't know nearly enough about footy to be an AFL coach like those who vote on the B&F so I'm more than willing to admit they're more likely to make the right decision

Regardless, even if he gets pushed down to 7th best on our list for last season, he clearly has value

 

[martinson]

So we're rigging B&F results to pander to Cams ego?

Cmon Martinson you're better than this

The coaches might not be perfect but their opinions are the ones we should value the highest, not brain-dead all australian voters or umpires or numpities on this board

Nathan you're great at remembering what other people say.

I seem to remembering you referring to Cam as a dumb footballer , or was it lazy ? , more than once. Apologies if that wasn't you

Now you're all over him coming 5th in the B/F. Using that as a retort to anyone that suggests the same things you have.

No one referred to any rigging in the B/F but you're a bit naive if you don't think coaches and those close to any club aren't subject to biases and seeing things the way they want them to be. They also have favourites .Same in any organisation . I'm saying they overrated his effort last year. I think most supporters who watched all the games would agree. No one's questioning their integrity or that they're in a good position to judge .

 

[3KZ is Football]

Nathan you're great at remembering what other people say.

I seem to remembering you referring to Cam as a dumb footballer , or was it lazy ? , more than once. Apologies if that wasn't you

Now you're all over him coming 5th in the B/F. Using that as a retort to anyone that suggests the same things you have.

No one referred to any rigging in the B/F but you're a bit naive if you don't think coaches and those close to any club aren't subject to biases and seeing things the way they want them to be. They also have favourites .Same in any organisation . I'm saying they overrated his effort last year. I think most supporters who watched all the games would agree. No one's questioning their integrity or that they're in a good position to judge .

100%

 

[Nathan Barley]

Nathan you're great at remembering what other people say.

I seem to remembering you referring to Cam as a dumb footballer , or was it lazy ? , more than once. Apologies if that wasn't you

Now you're all over him coming 5th in the B/F. Using that as a retort to anyone that suggests the same things you have.

No one referred to any rigging in the B/F but you're a bit naive if you don't think coaches and those close to any club aren't subject to biases and seeing things the way they want them to be. They also have favourites .Same in any organisation . I'm saying they overrated his effort last year. I think most supporters who watched all the games would agree. No one's questioning their integrity or that they're in a good position to judge .

I think he's a dumb footballer but clearly the coaches see a lot more than I do

Extremely lazy to sit there and if someone or a panel of highly paid experts disagree with you that it is due to their bias

Surely if Cam was their pet it wouldn't have been the first year he has polled well. Far more likely he's improved in a lot or the selfless parts of his game that fans don't notice but the coaches do

Maybe all club decisions should come as a result of asking the member base and we can stop employing these coaches