List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[briztoon]

With Doedee during another knee how can this get any worse. Even with 2 knee reconstructions, was that not enough of a warning flag , yet brisbane lions rather than waiting 12 months WHICH IS THE ACCEPTED NORM from a reco , bring him back 9 and half months and GUESS WHAT DOES ANOTHER KNEE. Bad , bad decision making at the lions . With Deodee and kiddy long term injuries, we must attack attack the mid season draft like our life depends on it. Going to be super critical which will be the biggest Understatement of the year.

Unless our horror form continues, we’re not going to have a high pick in the MSD, and the MSD isn’t usually very deep on genuine starting quality players.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I believe we need to be looking for successors to Andrews and McKenna. Players who will be ready to go in two or three seasons.

Just my opinion, but I believe we need a successor to Cameron and Daniher in the squad asap.

I believe injuries are really going to impact Cameron, and probably shorten his career.

And I believe we’re missing 4 players from our midfield.

A quality winger, who’s good kick with endurance and pace, to replace Berry. That could be McCluggage if we change our midfield mix and game plan.

A proper big bodied mid on the bench. A player similar to Luke Davies-Uniack or Matthew Kennedy at Carlton.

A quality, ball hunting, athletic running mid similar to Chad Warner from Sydney.

And a ruck similar to Steph Martin, but a little taller. Mobile, athletic, able to play around the ground, and offer a target down the line.

I was trying to be a bit more realistic rather than putting together a wishlist

Warner would be perfect though and a more mobile ruck

 

[brisbanelions]

Either way

• we rushed McKenna back and he reinsured himself.
• we played Neal before he was ready, injured himself
• appear to have rushed Doedoo back and he injured himself

There's a pattern of rushing players back and not trusting younger players.



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Totally agree, In my opinion Fagan is rushing back players who are under done is an act/sign of desperation on his part because it appears he simply does not believe OR HAVE FAITH IN in the list therefore wants to stick with the squad he knows.

To your point also not trusting in his young Players to step up is a fatal mistake,as it gives under performing players carte blanche to continue what they are doing with ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY and IMMUNITY from being dropped knowing Fagan will simply STAND IN to protect them.

Fagan, to see what the younger players can do , you need to believe in them 1stly and GIVE THEM A FRINGIN CHANCE TO SHOW US WHAT OR WHAT NOT THEY CAN DO. so really good points there Scubaveg.At some point Fagan ,you need to show faith in the young players and give them an opportunity, a chance to see if they any good at AFL level.

Fagan your intransigent mindset is in fact, really hurting the club more than helping it grow and potentially prosper.

 

[BRAB]

Totally agree, In my opinion Fagan is rushing back players who are under done is an act/sign of desperation on his part because it appears he simply does not believe OR HAVE FAITH IN in the list therefore wants to stick with the squad he knows.

To your point also not trusting in his young Players to step up is a fatal mistake,as it gives under performing players carte blanche to continue what they are doing with ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY and IMMUNITY from being dropped knowing Fagan will simply STAND IN to protect them.

Fagan, to see what the younger players can do , you need to believe in them 1stly and GIVE THEM A FRINGIN CHANCE TO SHOW US WHAT OR WHAT NOT THEY CAN DO. so really good points there Scubaveg.At some point Fagan ,you need to show faith in the young players and give them an opportunity, a chance to see if they any good at AFL level.

Fagan your intransigent mindset is in fact, really hurting the club more than helping it grow and potentially prosper.

Are you ok

 

[briztoon]

I was trying to be a bit more realistic rather than putting together a wishlist

Warner would be perfect though and a more mobile ruck

Just my opinion on what we are missing, or will need in the near future.

Not saying to go and get those specific players, because it’s unlikely we’re pulling them out of their current clubs.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Should go after John Noble

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John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

 

[Nathan Barley]

Should go after John Noble

As depth?

 

[briztoon]

Should go after John Noble

Don’t believe he has any interest in leaving, according to his dad.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Don’t believe he has any interest in leaving, according to his dad.

Shame, good rebound defender with pace and a good kick.

 

[buttermuffs]

We’re so back.

 

[DreadBat5701894]

I think I need to see a McCluggage contract within the next two months before I start getting nervous.

 

[martinson]

I think I need to see a McCluggage contract within the next two months before I start getting nervous.

He tried his clacker off last night.

His preference is to stay for sure.

So we need to pull our finger out and start winning a few games with everyone committed.

 

[TaylorMade]

Bored thought bubble.

Levi Ashcroft shows all the signs of being very good straight up in 2025, if Sam Marshall has a really good year and moves up the ratings do we contemplate looking at trading out someone with currency who has not quite lived up to expectations?

eg. Cam Rayner, Zac Bailey, Jarrod Berry. Not all 3, just one.

I was thinking similar last night re: where could we trade out a player or 2 to generate currency.

I just don't see berry having much currency.

Raynor a little bit and I reckon Bailey could be a really attractive offer. The thing with Bailey is that I reckon once we trade him he could very well put it all together and become a top Small Forward/ Mid. But I agree that we may need to take this sort of risk to fill deficiencies in the existing best 22.

 

[SpecialBruce]

I think I need to see a McCluggage contract within the next two months before I start getting nervous.

Can't see him leaving. Neale is the one I am worried about.

 

[DreadBat5701894]

Can't see him leaving. Neale is the one I am worried about.

I agree that he's very likely to stay. Just would be more comfortable with him signing sooner rather than later.

 

[martinson]

I agree that he's very likely to stay. Just would be more comfortable with him signing sooner rather than later.

Neale took ownership last night and led from the front.

A couple of others could take a leaf out of his book.

 

[SpecialBruce]

Neale took ownership last night and led from the front.

A couple of others could take a leaf out of his book.

Yep. If they don't then Neale will just get sick of it and leave. There were rumours two years ago his wife wanted to go back home. I have always been of the belief he will end back at Freo.

 

[Scubaveg]

If we were to chase someone to bring in. I'd be chasing Fredrick.


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[SpecialBruce]

There are no guarantees I can give you regards 10 vs 12. however Cam waited 12 months, a lot of players at Fitzroy waited 12 months after a reco ,my brother did a knee while training with the under 19’s at Fitzroy. Doctor told my brother he had to wait 12 months back then.He then had a further 2 reco’s after that. The point I am making with Doedee is that we picked him knowing he already had two knee recos,

In my opinion, knowing what the club knew, the more prudent decision would have been to play it safe and exercise extreme caution as the flags were there to begin with.(I was surprised the club even went with Doedee given his two reco’s , but that is just my opinion). With two reco’s the club should have gone down a more cautious approach just like Cam but even more so because of Doedee’s history. I am not doubting Doedee talent at all. I feel for Doedee because he is no doubt talented, only hope he recovers and makes a strong contribution to the Lions.

So to your question ,my personal opinion the longer the better with the disclaimer, that when it comes to knee injuries,anything can happen at anytime , no matter how long or how hard you train in your rehab.

Once you are cleared it doesn't matter. No difference between 10 and 12 or 14.

The silver lining behind this one is he will be ready for round 1 next year.

 

[Obeanie1]

I believe we need to be looking for successors to Andrews and McKenna. Players who will be ready to go in two or three seasons.

Just my opinion, but I believe we need a successor to Cameron and Daniher in the squad asap.

I believe injuries are really going to impact Cameron, and probably shorten his career.

And I believe we’re missing 4 players from our midfield.

A quality winger, who’s good kick with endurance and pace, to replace Berry. That coul d be McCluggage if we change our midfield mix and game plan.

A proper big bodied mid on the bench. A player similar to Luke Davies-Uniack or Matthew Kennedy at Carlton.

A quality, ball hunting, athletic running mid similar to Chad Warner from Sydney.

And a ruck similar to Steph Martin, but a little taller. Mobile, athletic, able to play around the ground, and offer a target down the line.

Hmmmm. You arent as positive on here than as you post on the Eagles board about the Lions list Briz. Much more balanced.

Father time spares no man. And the injury gods spares no club. Thats why predicting where clubs will be in 3 to 5 years time is full of uncertainties.

 

[Obeanie1]

Once you are cleared it doesn't matter. No difference between 10 and 12 or 14.

The silver lining behind this one is he will be ready for round 1 next year.

Anything under 12 months isnt advised. 9 months you are pushing it.

A physio on the Eagles board posted a pretty detailed explination. Pushing to play 9 / 10 months after an ACL operation is risking the graft failing is what they explained.

He described clearing a player to play 9 months after the operation as borderline incompetence. Culley at the Eagles did an ACL 12 months ago. Reported to be ahead of schedule and looking super fit. Has not been cleared to play. Eagles have no need to rush him though.

Im sure there are examples of successful comebacks shorter than 12 months as well as failures.

 

[Nunez]

Hmmmm. You arent as positive on here than as you post on the Eagles board about the Lions list Briz. Much more balanced.

Father time spares no man. And the injury gods spares no club. Thats why predicting where clubs will be in 3 to 5 years time is full of uncertainties.

I remember when GWS looked like certainties to win a flag or two. Made one GF and got belted.

 

[JasRulz63]

Anything under 12 months isnt advised. 9 months you are pushing it.

A physio on the Eagles board posted a pretty detailed explination. Pushing to play 9 / 10 months after an ACL operation is risking the graft failing is what they explained.

He described clearing a player to play 9 months after the operation as borderline incompetence. Culley at the Eagles did an ACL 12 months ago. Reported to be ahead of schedule and looking super fit. Has not been cleared to play. Eagles have no need to rush him though.

Im sure there are examples of successful comebacks shorter than 12 months as well as failures.

My understanding from orthopaedic surgeons that I know is that there has been a shift towards 10 months being the new 12 months in terms of return to sport post ACL repair.

 

[Nunez]

My understanding from orthopaedic surgeons that I know is that there has been a shift towards 10 months being the new 12 months in terms of return to sport post ACL repair.

Yeah I think people need to remember there is a difference between a regular person doing an ACL and a full time athlete. Recovery times do vary.

 

[martinson]

Yeah I think people need to remember there is a difference between a regular person doing an ACL and a full time athlete. Recovery times do vary.

What do we think of his chances with 3 Recos ?

It must be devastating for him.

I suppose the only course of action now is to give him as long as possible.