List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Tom14]

That’s a rort Nuney, it doesn’t even factor into my mind because that is what we are OWED. As masters of academies and father sons. Overlords of St Kilda.

It’s so funny we got Dunks, WAshcroft and Fletcher in one off season at the cost of a measly future first. Then drafted McMorris with pick 31 the following year.

Hahahahahahaha I love rorts

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Your medical staff is very good they would back themselves to get him right ? Daniher came over playing a total of 15 or so games over his last 3 seasons with the bombers. His best is very very good , and why you're keen on him. I won't put a value on him but it would have to work for us, to do a deal on contracted player that is about to hit his prime.

We wont be pushing anyone out the door to make a deal happen. Any suggestions of Bailey, Lohman, Morris etc just wont happen, and honestly don’t think anyone will be shaking them free in any negotiations after this year.

Your board suggestion 2 x 1st is as unlikely as us getting him for a F3. Realistically we will generate additional points downgrading our first rounder this year (~700 is what history shown for that pick) but will likely be left considerable short for Ashcroft and Marshall still.

Understanding that, the most I could see us offering is our 2025 R1, with a decent amount of later picks being included for matching, to cover the short fall. While it’s not ideal with Annables but next year, if we feel the need enough for Mitchell, we can alway cover his points by future trading again.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Surely Hawks are well set for small forwards anyway, I'm sure they love the look of Lohmann, but they're not Pokemon -- you can't catch 'em all

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I reckon that even if the footy department said ok let's trade Lohmann, the marketing department would veto that decision immediately. He'll be our poster boy for the next half-decade

 

[lioninthesand]

Loving the convo here, I was pissed off about Joe at first, but after the BNF and hearing he was going to leave this year either way, I instantly just became happy we/he got 1.

He is hard to replace but I think we can still compete without him in 2025.

Liking most of the options that have been thrown up, but I think a large point is being missed.

One of our 3 tall forwards has to back up ruck.

So if it’s Lewis, Ricardi, Membry - either one of them or Hipwood or Morris has to take over Joe’s ruck duties.

Can Lewis ruck?

 

[Nuggo]

List management is sometimes about getting players to come to the realisation that moving to another club is in their best interest. The best clubs do this with the player still loving the club and visa versa. Just pushing people out the door can destabilise the culture which you don't want.

 

[LoganMorrisFan]

If Hawthorn really loved Lewis (as they claim) they would let him come play for a team that is a chance to win a flag, that alone should be enough compensation for them.

 

[Elixuh]

Lewis for Brandon Ryan and our scammed f2 back

 

[Tom14]

Lewis for Brandon Ryan and our scammed f2 back

 

[twhowler]

Lewis to me doesn’t make much sense if the focus is on winning a flag in 2025 - won’t be available until mid year, can’t really ruck.

I think he is worth a risk longer term if he is a bit of a bargain.

BUT the last thing we should do is push someone out the door, or even say to a player or 2, do you want to go? Imagine that spreading through the group?

We worked bloody hard to get a very talented list who all have buy-in to this club. We must have players on unders. We should do our best to protect it.

The other thing is being in the market we are, we can’t afford to go all in flag-chasing - particularly now we got one! Of course we want more flags. But we need a first do no harm principle- we have to stay competitive in Brisbane. I am not saying there is anything about our list now that looks similar to 2024, but a side in turmoil always starts with 1 or 2 bad decisions. Hawks with Wingard, Tigers with the gws mids, lions with fevola. Even the crows with Gibbs - so short sighted and exacerbated their slide.z

 

[Darren Downunder]

Hear me out

Nope!

Not gonna hear you out.

 

[Darren Downunder]

Love that you're saying no huge ins despite the fact we will have the #1 player in the draft haha.

What? That show pony kid with the congenital heart defect is the best player in the draft? You’ve gotta be kidding!

 

[Nunez]

What? That show pony kid with the congenital heart defect is the best player in the draft? You’ve gotta be kidding!

Ty Gallop will be the #1 KPF in the comp just wait baby!

 

[irel]

Hear me out

Tell me more? I'm all ears.

 

[dlanod]

Tell me more? I'm all ears.

You might be all ears but I'm all Package!

 

[dlanod]

Jake Riccardi is the player that I feel a trade could be possible.

Was dropped just before finals, so could be open to a move.

Every time I see him play I think he goes ok. Capable of being a 30-40 a year goal scorer.

Only 24, 198 cm, very mobile, can pinch hit in the ruck, big bodied.

A future second or third should get the deal done.

We have enough fire power up forward, players who play tall... Kai, Ah Chee, Lincoln, Rayner, Hipwood, Morris, that Riccardi would be a role player Full Forward where 1.5 goals a game, relief ruck, would be sufficient.

Not dropped, injured I'm pretty sure.

He's ok, but I doubt GWS would be keen on him going given he's been a consistent seniors presence and they're losing their depth in Derksen. Definitely wouldn't be a future third.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

I’m all for Mitch Lewis, but not in a million years would I be trading any premiership player for him. Absolutely never.

 

[knaf]

He did get slightly better but was timid in the forward line, passing off unexpectedly to surprised-looking unprepared teammates, when he should have been kicking for goal from a very gettable position. He looked scared to kick the ball. It stood out really badly, and I don't think I was the only one to notice.

Yes I think there is a bit of unrealistic enthusiasm for Smith. Has shown continuous improvement. I think in the future, he can be a competitive ruck like Oscar. But hasnt really shown the ability to be strong in the marking contest, even at VFL level. Needs to work on his upper body strength and learn to use it in a contest. Hasn’t shown sufficient mobility to run AFL level forward patterns.

Big plus was when he returned to VFL after stint in afl he started to show more in marking contests.

Not knocking the kid, just don’t want him to be victim of unrealistic expectations. Might surprise on the upside during preseason but I’m thinking 10 to 12 reasonable games at afl level next year would be a good outcome.

 

[buttermuffs]

Lewis to me doesn’t make much sense if the focus is on winning a flag in 2025 - won’t be available until mid year, can’t really ruck.

I think he is worth a risk longer term if he is a bit of a bargain.

BUT the last thing we should do is push someone out the door, or even say to a player or 2, do you want to go? Imagine that spreading through the group?

We worked bloody hard to get a very talented list who all have buy-in to this club. We must have players on unders. We should do our best to protect it.

The other thing is being in the market we are, we can’t afford to go all in flag-chasing - particularly now we got one! Of course we want more flags. But we need a first do no harm principle- we have to stay competitive in Brisbane. I am not saying there is anything about our list now that looks similar to 2024, but a side in turmoil always starts with 1 or 2 bad decisions. Hawks with Wingard, Tigers with the gws mids, lions with fevola. Even the crows with Gibbs - so short sighted and exacerbated their slide.z

We will be starting 0-5 next year for a harder challenge so he comes in at the perfect time for the flag tilt on the second half of the season.

Agree no one should be pushed out from our premiership side.


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[FromOldFitzroy]

FWIW the ‘list managers’ on the Hawks board have gone cold on the idea of trading Lewis.
Good.

 

[briztoon]

If Mitch Lewis was fit I think there would be a lot more excitement on our board. He looks like a terrific young talent. The issue is that he's not fit and is a gamble.

Lewis isn’t “young”. Same draft as Hugh and Bez.

 

[Pride of lions]

Didn’t Lewis have a cartilage removed from his knee at some stage and then an acl the following year? Very different having our medical team getting guys back from groin or hamstring issues, but can’t fix a bung knee.

 

[briztoon]

I’m all for Mitch Lewis, but not in a million years would I be trading any premiership player for him. Absolutely never.

Probably wouldn’t be trading a top 30 list player for him.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Loving the convo here, I was pissed off about Joe at first, but after the BNF and hearing he was going to leave this year either way, I instantly just became happy we/he got 1.

He is hard to replace but I think we can still compete without him in 2025.

Liking most of the options that have been thrown up, but I think a large point is being missed.

One of our 3 tall forwards has to back up ruck.

So if it’s Lewis, Ricardi, Membry - either one of them or Hipwood or Morris has to take over Joe’s ruck duties.

Can Lewis ruck?

Will depend what happens with the sub IMO, if it goes to a 5 man interchange I could see us playing Fort off the bench

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Lewis isn’t “young”. Same draft as Hugh and Bez.

Well he's not old, and speaking as a 54-year-old, "middle-aged player" sounds a bit weird