List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Crow till I die]

I disagree the bloke himself has said Carlton was always where he and his family wanted him to go for very obvious reasons.

Wasn't he a crows supporter leading into the draft, surely had we courted him and we had the currency to pay what GC could have asked, we could have tried to convince him to come. It seems we had not even tried to?

 

[Mutineer]

Wasn't he a crows supporter leading into the draft, surely had we courted him and we had the currency to pay what GC could have asked, we could have tried to convince him to come. It seems we had not even tried to?

Maybe but I think it would have been in vain, family is thicker than who you barracked for as a kid.

 

[BACCS]

Would people be happy if these top 5 CBA players from the weekend (after the ruck) were prioritised for midfield minutes for the rest of the season, while adding Dowling and Taylor into the mix to takeover from Berry, Laird and Schoenberg? I know that top 5 got smashed against Sydney, but MM is only just starting to learn his craft as a mid after training as a defender his entire AFL career (and did a good job on Warner) and Rankine was first game back from a hammy; it will get better as they get more experience working together without Laird or Crouch.


IF we can improve our ruck stocks by getting someone like Moyle and add our top 5 draft pick in there next year, it's a midfield that finally starts having quality depth in it.

Only one of Berry or Schoenberg should be retained as depth (also happy to keep Crouch), while Laird either makes a permanent move to HB or is traded.

 

[Crow till I die]

Would people be happy if these top 5 CBA players from the weekend (after the ruck) were prioritised for midfield minutes for the rest of the season, while adding Dowling and Taylor into the mix to takeover from Berry, Laird and Schoenberg? I know that top 5 got smashed against Sydney, but MM is only just starting to learn his craft as a mid after training as a defender his entire AFL career (and did a good job on Warner) and Rankine was first game back from a hammy; it will get better as they get more experience working together without Laird or Crouch.


IF we can improve our ruck stocks by getting someone like Moyle and add our top 5 draft pick in there next year, it's a midfield that finally starts having quality depth in it.

Only one of Berry or Schoenberg should be retained as depth (also happy to keep Crouch), while Laird either makes a permanent move to HB or is traded.

Yes. I still think we are not using Max as we should though, he should be the general in defence for the next decade for us. Get that back 6 looking as rock solid as we can - Murray, Max, Worrell, Hinge, Butts ad 2 other running types. Then add in our top 5 picked mid this year and hopefully a quality free agent and a ruck to the midfield and we should have a pretty strong back and mid 3rd of the ground to suppliment our forwards.

 

[BACCS]

Across the next two years we need to get rid of all these players

2024
Sloane (retired)
Smith (force retired)
Murphy (delisted, contract paid out)
McHenry (delisted)
Gollant (delisted)
Himmelberg (FA)
Bond (delisted)
Burgess (delisted)
O'Brien (traded)
Parnell (delisted)

2025
Strachan (delisted)
Berry (one year contract then delisted)
Borlase (one year contract then delisted)
Laird (retired early or delisted with contract paid out or traded)
Walker (retired on his terms)
Jones (depth only then traded under contract or delisted and paid out)

Harsh on Borlase, don't disagree on any of the rest.

 

[BACCS]

Yes. I still think we are not using Max as we should though, he should be the general in defence for the next decade for us. Get that back 6 looking as rock solid as we can - Murray, Max, Worrell, Hinge, Butts ad 2 other running types. Then add in our top 5 picked mid this year and hopefully a quality free agent and a ruck to the midfield and we should have a pretty strong back and mid 3rd of the ground to suppliment our forwards.

I think he has midfield qualities, but we need to start training him there full time and not shift him back if things don't work immediately. It's far easier to draft/trade a replacement for his role in defence than it is to get a tall midfielder with his offensive weapons.

 

[LoBu]

We have a really tough list management decisions to make, having already planned to trade our first pick away at the end of the year, to now be faced with a high end pick.

• Our list strategy demands we trade in experienced, high end best 18 talent.
• We are not going to get one.
• We desperately need a gun midfielder.
• The only way is to draft one in.
• Drafting in a midfield gun means years of pain and a rethink of list strategy, likely to end up like North Melbourne.
• We are rooted.

As a result, the only solution is to:

• Draft the best mid we can
• Draft f/s Welsh and maybe Michaelanny rookie
• Trade our seconds (Adl and Melb) for as many mature agers as we can
• Throw money at Perryman and Moyle
• Try to pick up someone like O'Driscoll or Ainsworth or Berry
• Have another shot at Oliver
• Pick up Daniels half back, someone like Lachie Hunter for wing
• Think about Ollie Wines
• Keep Tex and Laird and Crouch

Then clear out the players who aren't going to make it;

• McHenry
• Bond
• Burgess
• Parnell
• Gollant

Also ROB who's one foot out of the club already. Trade Keane if he wants to go. Give Smith a lap of honour.

We then play those players we traded in, at the cost of Murphy, Hamill, Jones, Scholl, Berry, even Schoenberg (unless he finds form) - who become our depth players. That's six current best 23 to replace our 5 delisted SANFL players.

Along with ROB and Smith that's 8 players from our best 23 right now who shouldn't be there next year - let alone Borlase (keep) who is a placeholder for Thilthorpe right now.

This is the way to save us from being North/ Carlton/ Melbourne who have very long periods at the bottom, getting flogged every week.

 

[Sphynx]

Powell was the one should’ve shook loose but he’s established himself there now, accumulator who kicks goals

Funnily enough we are talking about this on our board at the moment.

He's taken some massive strides this year now fully fit, but with Wardlaw the likely pillar of this midfield, Sheezel moving up the ground, LDU (who knows) and McKercher to come back and likely one of Finn O'Sullivan/Josh Smillie coming in, some North fans would be open to it.

Tom is a classy kid with the ball (arguably our best kick inside 50 at the club), he kicks goals, but you can't fit them all in, as is happening with Phillips. You also have to take best available at the draft so are hamstrung in a way at the top by the way the talent pool falls.

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

 

[40porpoise]

I'm not really concerned with lack of experience, we should cut the deadweight hard and rebuild again. Mitchell went into hawks and gutted the team, getting rid of O'Meara and Mitchell and leaving them with what looked like the worst midfield of all time.

Seems to be working pretty well for them now.

 

[Crow till I die]

Funnily enough we are talking about this on our board at the moment.

He's taken some massive strides this year now fully fit, but with Wardlaw the likely pillar of this midfield, Sheezel moving up the ground, LDU (who knows) and McKercher to come back and likely one of Finn O'Sullivan/Josh Smillie coming in, some North fans would be open to it.

Tom is a classy kid with the ball (arguably our best kick inside 50 at the club), he kicks goals, but you can't fit them all in, as is happening with Phillips. You also have to take best available at the draft so are hamstrung in a way at the top by the way the talent pool falls.

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

You spelt mchenry wrong. He is a great young pressure forward that would fill a gap in the kanga's side at the moment and would be a good one to do a direct trade for Powell for

 

[Danger in Texas]

Funnily enough we are talking about this on our board at the moment.

He's taken some massive strides this year now fully fit, but with Wardlaw the likely pillar of this midfield, Sheezel moving up the ground, LDU (who knows) and McKercher to come back and likely one of Finn O'Sullivan/Josh Smillie coming in, some North fans would be open to it.

Tom is a classy kid with the ball (arguably our best kick inside 50 at the club), he kicks goals, but you can't fit them all in, as is happening with Phillips. You also have to take best available at the draft so are hamstrung in a way at the top by the way the talent pool falls.

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

I like Powell but no thanks to that one

 

[GreyCrow]

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

Throw in Clarkson and you have a deal

 

[Mutineer]

Funnily enough we are talking about this on our board at the moment.

He's taken some massive strides this year now fully fit, but with Wardlaw the likely pillar of this midfield, Sheezel moving up the ground, LDU (who knows) and McKercher to come back and likely one of Finn O'Sullivan/Josh Smillie coming in, some North fans would be open to it.

Tom is a classy kid with the ball (arguably our best kick inside 50 at the club), he kicks goals, but you can't fit them all in, as is happening with Phillips. You also have to take best available at the draft so are hamstrung in a way at the top by the way the talent pool falls.

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

Pass

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Funnily enough we are talking about this on our board at the moment.

He's taken some massive strides this year now fully fit, but with Wardlaw the likely pillar of this midfield, Sheezel moving up the ground, LDU (who knows) and McKercher to come back and likely one of Finn O'Sullivan/Josh Smillie coming in, some North fans would be open to it.

Tom is a classy kid with the ball (arguably our best kick inside 50 at the club), he kicks goals, but you can't fit them all in, as is happening with Phillips. You also have to take best available at the draft so are hamstrung in a way at the top by the way the talent pool falls.

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

You had me interested for so long... and then said Rachele. That's a resounding no from me.

I think this, like many potential trade deals, is going to be one where neither side will be able to agree on a valuation. I'd definitely be interested in getting Powell, but nothing I'd offer would be a fair deal for North, and they don't have a reason to take a subpar deal.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Funnily enough we are talking about this on our board at the moment.

He's taken some massive strides this year now fully fit, but with Wardlaw the likely pillar of this midfield, Sheezel moving up the ground, LDU (who knows) and McKercher to come back and likely one of Finn O'Sullivan/Josh Smillie coming in, some North fans would be open to it.

Tom is a classy kid with the ball (arguably our best kick inside 50 at the club), he kicks goals, but you can't fit them all in, as is happening with Phillips. You also have to take best available at the draft so are hamstrung in a way at the top by the way the talent pool falls.

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

Butts and a 2nd for Powell

You need KPD

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Checksider]

Glad he’s alright.

Brodie, if BigFooty is one of the socials that you read:
1. No one is taking joy in the fact that you’re getting towards the end of your AFL career. You’ve been a champion and will always be loved by the fans, but these same fans want the interest of the team ahead of the individual, which includes dropping out of form senior players. In your case the noise has unfairly been louder because of the clubs history playing seniors for too long past. It’s not personal.
2. Do yourself a favour and don’t read the socials. There’s some dreadful opinions on there, that don’t matter an ounce until you read them.

 

[Checksider]

Funnily enough we are talking about this on our board at the moment.

He's taken some massive strides this year now fully fit, but with Wardlaw the likely pillar of this midfield, Sheezel moving up the ground, LDU (who knows) and McKercher to come back and likely one of Finn O'Sullivan/Josh Smillie coming in, some North fans would be open to it.

Tom is a classy kid with the ball (arguably our best kick inside 50 at the club), he kicks goals, but you can't fit them all in, as is happening with Phillips. You also have to take best available at the draft so are hamstrung in a way at the top by the way the talent pool falls.

How would you as a Crow support feel regarding a trade involving Rachele and Powell?

Everything up until Rachele yes.


Rachele trade is a hard no, the kid is a jet and despite grumpy old farts not liking anyone showing some personality, and an overblown incident or two, he will be a seriously good player for a long time.

 

[LoBu]

Glad he’s alright.

Brodie, if BigFooty is one of the socials that you read:
1. No one is taking joy in the fact that you’re getting towards the end of your AFL career. You’ve been a champion and will always be loved by the fans, but these same fans want the interest of the team ahead of the individual, which includes dropping out of form senior players.
2. Do yourself a favour and don’t read the socials. There’s some dreadful opinions on there, that don’t matter an ounce until you read them.

Will be a good coach

 

[NTRabbit]

Rachele has talent and flair, but has a serious aversion to hard work when it comes to work off the ball, work getting the hard ball, and really anything that doesn't involve the ball already in his hands inside forward 50. It's a glaring issue, and there's no guarantee he'll ever have the desire to fix it

 

[Crow till I die]

Everything up until Rachele yes.


Rachele trade is a hard no, the kid is a jet and despite grumpy old farts not liking anyone showing some personality, and an overblown incident or two, he will be a seriously good player for a long time.

Imagine Rachele under a quality coach with a quality midfield coach working hand in hand with him. Thats the reality that we are letting him down

 

[Checksider]

Rachele has talent and flair, but has a serious aversion to hard work when it comes to work off the ball, work getting the hard ball, and really anything that doesn't involve the ball already in his hands inside forward 50. It's a glaring issue, and there's no guarantee he'll ever have the desire to fix it

He’ll be fine. He’s publicly stated he has the desire to fix it, and has been improving.

 

[ABAB]

Rachele has talent and flair, but has a serious aversion to hard work when it comes to work off the ball, work getting the hard ball, and really anything that doesn't involve the ball already in his hands inside forward 50. It's a glaring issue, and there's no guarantee he'll ever have the desire to fix it

Did you also missed that play against Grundy which way away from our attacking 50 when we were still in the game??? Isn't that desire to "fix it".

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Rachele has talent and flair, but has a serious aversion to hard work when it comes to work off the ball, work getting the hard ball, and really anything that doesn't involve the ball already in his hands inside forward 50. It's a glaring issue, and there's no guarantee he'll ever have the desire to fix it

Not true, at all. I was doing a review of his CBAs against West Coast, and his off the ball work on his direct opponents (usually Kelly) was consistently good. He only conceded one clearance and barely any disposals in the first half, because he was checking them effectively.

 

[Mutineer]

Butts and a 2nd for Powell

You need KPD

You have to be kidding....who else do we have to match the monster 200cm KPD's, Murray can only handle one of them...Josh Worrell IS NOT a lockdown KPD and besides that we'd mostly lose his intercepting talents and ability to get off his player to assist Murray and Butts or whoever replaces Butts in your "dreams" ...Borlase and Burgess won't be able to handle the 200cm+ forwards that are becoming an AFL thing.