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Snuffaluphagus · Mar 13, 2023

Joao said:
Collingwood isn't a young side. They have like 4 notable young players and the majority of the remainder played in their 2018 GF.

Their B&F last year. Top 5 were
Crisp 29
Pendles 35
Moore 27
Howe 30
Sidebottom 32

The only actual "young" sides in the finals last year were us and the Dogs. Sydney has a lot of quality youth but also reliance on older players.

Edit: what Lach72 said.

Dogs are apparently equal oldest with Geelong but I have no idea how that is possible, is basically everyone outside their best 22 over 30?

Joao · Mar 13, 2023

Snuffaluphagus said:
Dogs are apparently equal oldest with Geelong but I have no idea how that is possible, is basically everyone outside their best 22 over 30?

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No idea, but I remember seeing their demographics last year an being surprised. Very few over 30 in the 22 I think and none that good.

Taylor · Mar 13, 2023

Snuffaluphagus said:
Dogs are apparently equal oldest with Geelong but I have no idea how that is possible, is basically everyone outside their best 22 over 30?

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That's how Brisbane has managed to keep a "young list" while bringing in the likes of Hodge, Brichall etc.

They have 22 to 25 players who are selected for almost every game and everyone else is playing out their contract in the 2nds.

SupermanCapes · Mar 13, 2023

Contender to crash top four; Magpies’ brutal freefall: Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

www.foxsports.com.au

I know criticising Fox Sports articles is pointless because none of them make sense, but humour me.

Something about the logic the bloke uses in this article feels off to me. It's fine to use statistics to say two teams always fall out of the 8, but I don't understand why it then goes from a data-driven article to then being super subjective when it comes to picking the teams to drop out.

He runs with statements like:

"We’re going to rule the Demons out right away because they just seem way too good not to fix whatever ailed them in their post-bye slide."

"Someone has to make the leap into the top four, and on paper the Blues look like the clear top contender. For a couple of years now they’ve performed as less than the sum of their parts. Just as one example, they’ve got the past two Coleman medallists – but after the bye last year, they scored more than 90 points just once."

"The problem was they (Richmond) lost enough games by a kick to tumble out of the finals without winning one. If they’d gotten over the line against Brisbane, they definitely could’ve beaten Melbourne (especially the version we saw in that semi-final) and made a prelim … but they didn’t."

Why not do the job properly and actually analyse each of the teams that have fallen out in past years, and see if you can extract any trends? Do the same thing with the teams that have jumped in. Then apply those trends to the 2023 teams and see if there is any consistency?

The whole thing screams them trying to conflate a statistical likelihood with their finger-nail deep analysis to make it look like they should be trusted because "those are the statistics".

Square Peg · Mar 13, 2023

I actually reckon that fox one is about the most well reasoned one I have read. I pretty much agree with much of it except for Carlton top 4

Quazar · Mar 13, 2023

SupermanCapes said:
Contender to crash top four; Magpies’ brutal freefall: Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

Contender to crash top four; Magpies’ brutal freefall: Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

www.foxsports.com.au

I know criticising Fox Sports articles is pointless because none of them make sense, but humour me.

Something about the logic the bloke uses in this article feels off to me. It's fine to use statistics to say two teams always fall out of the 8, but I don't understand why it then goes from a data-driven article to then being super subjective when it comes to picking the teams to drop out.

He runs with statements like:

"We’re going to rule the Demons out right away because they just seem way too good not to fix whatever ailed them in their post-bye slide."

"Someone has to make the leap into the top four, and on paper the Blues look like the clear top contender. For a couple of years now they’ve performed as less than the sum of their parts. Just as one example, they’ve got the past two Coleman medallists – but after the bye last year, they scored more than 90 points just once."

"The problem was they (Richmond) lost enough games by a kick to tumble out of the finals without winning one. If they’d gotten over the line against Brisbane, they definitely could’ve beaten Melbourne (especially the version we saw in that semi-final) and made a prelim … but they didn’t."

Why not do the job properly and actually analyse each of the teams that have fallen out in past years, and see if you can extract any trends? Do the same thing with the teams that have jumped in. Then apply those trends to the 2023 teams and see if there is any consistency?

The whole thing screams them trying to conflate a statistical likelihood with their finger-nail deep analysis to make it look like they should be trusted because "those are the statistics".

welcome my dear friend to the Janus world of clickbait. Don't let them fry your brain like an egg (this goes out to anyone and everyone), it's a vicious circle full of circlejerks viciously circling the moneyball of customers they're willing to jerk off in the most unsatisfactory way.

Reality is an illusion. These people don't exist.

Flagmantle for 2023 confirmed, because I said so. I just didn't bother to wear a shirt or a nice tie

Arcassius · Mar 13, 2023

Quazar said:
welcome my dear friend to the Janus world of clickbait. Don't let them fry your brain like an egg (this goes out to anyone and everyone), it's a vicious circle full of circlejerks viciously circling the moneyball of customers they're willing to jerk off in the most unsatisfactory way.

Reality is an illusion. These people don't exist.

Flagmantle for 2023 confirmed, because I said so. I just didn't bother to wear a shirt or a nice tie

Your opinion would have more gravity if you did wear a shirt and tie though

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DQ 4EVER · Mar 13, 2023

Arcassius said:
Your opinion would have more gravity if you did wear a shirt and tie though

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and pants, of course

Snuffaluphagus · Mar 13, 2023

SupermanCapes said:
Contender to crash top four; Magpies’ brutal freefall: Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

Contender to crash top four; Magpies’ brutal freefall: Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

www.foxsports.com.au

I know criticising Fox Sports articles is pointless because none of them make sense, but humour me.

Something about the logic the bloke uses in this article feels off to me. It's fine to use statistics to say two teams always fall out of the 8, but I don't understand why it then goes from a data-driven article to then being super subjective when it comes to picking the teams to drop out.

He runs with statements like:

"We’re going to rule the Demons out right away because they just seem way too good not to fix whatever ailed them in their post-bye slide."

"Someone has to make the leap into the top four, and on paper the Blues look like the clear top contender. For a couple of years now they’ve performed as less than the sum of their parts. Just as one example, they’ve got the past two Coleman medallists – but after the bye last year, they scored more than 90 points just once."

"The problem was they (Richmond) lost enough games by a kick to tumble out of the finals without winning one. If they’d gotten over the line against Brisbane, they definitely could’ve beaten Melbourne (especially the version we saw in that semi-final) and made a prelim … but they didn’t."

Why not do the job properly and actually analyse each of the teams that have fallen out in past years, and see if you can extract any trends? Do the same thing with the teams that have jumped in. Then apply those trends to the 2023 teams and see if there is any consistency?

The whole thing screams them trying to conflate a statistical likelihood with their finger-nail deep analysis to make it look like they should be trusted because "those are the statistics".

I'm with Square Peg. Fingernail deep analysis maybe but there is a lot more effort and reasoning in there compared to a lot of the stuff. Unfortunately, we have a pretty low bar for analysis in footy dont we =(

Snuffaluphagus · Mar 13, 2023

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Vintage · Mar 13, 2023

SupermanCapes said:
Contender to crash top four; Magpies’ brutal freefall: Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

Contender to crash top four; Magpies’ brutal freefall: Full predicted ‘23 AFL ladder

www.foxsports.com.au

I know criticising Fox Sports articles is pointless because none of them make sense, but humour me.

Something about the logic the bloke uses in this article feels off to me. It's fine to use statistics to say two teams always fall out of the 8, but I don't understand why it then goes from a data-driven article to then being super subjective when it comes to picking the teams to drop out.

He runs with statements like:

"We’re going to rule the Demons out right away because they just seem way too good not to fix whatever ailed them in their post-bye slide."

"Someone has to make the leap into the top four, and on paper the Blues look like the clear top contender. For a couple of years now they’ve performed as less than the sum of their parts. Just as one example, they’ve got the past two Coleman medallists – but after the bye last year, they scored more than 90 points just once."

"The problem was they (Richmond) lost enough games by a kick to tumble out of the finals without winning one. If they’d gotten over the line against Brisbane, they definitely could’ve beaten Melbourne (especially the version we saw in that semi-final) and made a prelim … but they didn’t."

Why not do the job properly and actually analyse each of the teams that have fallen out in past years, and see if you can extract any trends? Do the same thing with the teams that have jumped in. Then apply those trends to the 2023 teams and see if there is any consistency?

The whole thing screams them trying to conflate a statistical likelihood with their finger-nail deep analysis to make it look like they should be trusted because "those are the statistics".

That’s pretty comprehensive and reasoned analysis actually. They’ve given solid justification for pretty much all of their predictions. I can’t argue with too much of it, even the Carlton bit tbh

King Tenz · Mar 13, 2023

s_wd6 said:
Get a load of this Jenkins' three teams to drop out of the eight in 2023

On the Dockers, the former Crow is worried about the club in general following last year’s trade period.

“I’m not confident about all three, I was only confident about one – Fremantle,” Jenkins told SEN Breakfast.

“I read a lot into the Griffin Logue situation in that agent’s documentary. How can a player of his calibre not feel like he has an ongoing position in their best 22? There’s something beneath the surface there.

“He is, in my humble opinion, their best defender. If you said ‘we need a versatile, athletic, tall defender to play on the great key forwards, he would be my first pick (at Freo).

Alex Pearce is injured a lot. Your best ability is your availability. Brennan Cox is a handy player, but he’s not as good as Logue.

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This is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time... this has to be made up right? Surely no one could seriously hold this opinion?

wakojako · Mar 13, 2023

Hey all, Will Brodie is doing an AMA on reddit:

Get your questions in! Also shoutout to the Schultz Q&A on big footy as well:

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Joao · Mar 13, 2023

To be fair to Jenkins, he did laugh at himself later in that show because all he used for rating us was the documentary. It's not like he put that up there as some well researched and reasoned opinion.

Dockeroo · Mar 13, 2023

I’ve made a massive effort this year guys to not get wound up by bullshit previews of our likely performance by people who clearly doesn’t watch us and subconsciously don’t want us to do well.
I used to get so riled up by this kind of stuff but now I don’t. I recommend this approach wholeheartedly.

Sit back for a minute and consider this:
What does it matter what these kind of people think of us? I’m talking about the likes of Jake Niall, Goosage, Caro, Geordie Parker, those no-names on fox footy, whately, Robbo Tom Browne, etc etc. The list goes on.
None of those types have any more in-depth knowledge about footy than the average poster on here. They just have a better platform than all of us, mainly due to having attended the right private school or having a relative involved in AFL somewhere to help them get a foothold in the industry.

Then you have the former footballer pundits with (a) an axe to grind against us - These include the likes of David King or (b) the ones that aren’t very bright - Josh Jenkins or Cameron Ling or Jobe Watson would be a prime example in this category.

There would be 2-3 pundits in the Mainstream footy media I rate, based purely on their explored form as pundits and nothing whatsoever to do with their ability as a player or coach.
Nathan Buckley
Kane Cornes (except if he’s talking about Port Adelaide)
Montagna (despite his slight bias towards us)
Will Schofield

That’s about it really. I dont care what the rest say. They don’t know Jack shit, especially about Freo.
Also agree that’s it’s great to be written off by all and sundry. Just great. Much better for our young team.

Van_Dyke · Mar 13, 2023

gaskin said:
Their forward line. Listen to the 'experts' and they all wax lyrical about their talls.

Snuffaluphagus said:
This is the thing that gets me a bit, without being able to read that article, I assume all or most of the "experts" have the Dogs staying in the 8. They lost their best two-way mid, picked up Jones, a b-grade defender and Lobb who as far as I'm concerned, was a worthless addition to an already very tall forwardline.

AND, they only scraped in because Carlton pulled a Carlton. If we are supposed to slide for "reasons", then I fail to see the reason Dogs should be better. It's because Dogs are from Vic and they think Bailey Smith is a lot better than he actually is (the dude makes Acres disposal look elite).

Whatever, it's all irrelevant and they prove and jokingly admit they have no idea what they are talking about anyway

i can't wait to see Bevo either
a. play all the talls up there and persist with it for weeks despite the lack of forward pressure they'll have
and/or
b. play multiple talls who they've invested heavily in $ or draft position out of position

i'll believe it working when we see it

Square Peg said:
I actually reckon that fox one is about the most well reasoned one I have read. I pretty much agree with much of it except for Carlton top 4

yeah it at least tries to have some logic and thought process behind it. Max Laughton's usually decent with putting some form of data based logic behind his stuff, weird fit for the usually click baity fox footy site.

Van_Dyke · Mar 13, 2023

Joao said:
To be fair to Jenkins, he did laugh at himself later in that show because all he used for rating us was the documentary. It's not like he put that up there as some well researched and reasoned opinion.

he at least used to be on Geelong's payroll which i find interesting

holybishop · Mar 13, 2023

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/robbo-why-football-will-be-pandemonium-in-2023/news-story/3e22557db9102a60811e0b9e6b074bcd

MARK ROBINSON'S PROJECTED 2023 LADDER

1. Geelong
Have the talent and the gameplan - all they need is hunger and the September Gods smiling on them at the end of the year.
2. Brisbane
Two words. No excuses.
3. Melbourne
They look locked and loaded and could easily do it. ‘Gawndy’ will be fascinating.
4. Collingwood
Please coach, more blitzkrieg footy. And with the same luck they’ll better their preliminary final finish from 2022.
5. Richmond
A lot of ‘ifs’ about the Tigers. If the recruits fire, if Dusty is back and if the old boys can last the season.
6. Sydney
Couldn’t leave them out of the eight but not sure where they’ll finish. Could they be scarred?
7. Western Bulldogs
Could win it all and I’ve got them seventh - that’s how tight 2023 will be.
8. Fremantle
Won a final last year after a long build, which started with Ross Lyon, my darkhorse for the top four.
9. Carlton
Not as bullish as others on the Blues but might be wrong. Can they meet their expectations?
10. Port Adelaide
Everyone is looking at Kenny and his team - what are they going to deliver?
11. Gold Coast
Ben King could be the recruit of the year and like the Crows no more excuses for the Suns.
12. Adelaide
It’s time Adelaide, the build nears completion so results are expected.
13. Essendon
Brad Scott says they will defend but the proof will be in the pudding.
14. St Kilda
Injury wrecked before the start will make it very difficult in Ross Lyon’s first season.
15. GWS
The hardest team to gauge. Kelly, Whitfield, Coniglio could have a lease of life.
16. North Melbourne
There’s excitement around North Melbourne but that doesn’t equate to wins.
17. West Coast
Vying for the spoon but they say they’re fitter.
18. Hawthorn
Will be a long season for the youngsters. No Mitch Lewis for a while hurts.

Robbo is still on us and is not on Carlton. He's far too bullish on Richmond though.

tonygeeks · Mar 13, 2023

Dockeroo said:
I’ve made a massive effort this year guys to not get wound up by bullshit previews of our likely performance by people who clearly doesn’t watch us and subconsciously don’t want us to do well.
I used to get so riled up by this kind of stuff but now I don’t. I recommend this approach wholeheartedly.

Sit back for a minute and consider this:
What does it matter what these kind of people think of us? I’m talking about the likes of Jake Niall, Goosage, Caro, Geordie Parker, those no-names on fox footy, whately, Robbo Tom Browne, etc etc. The list goes on.
None of those types have any more in-depth knowledge about footy than the average poster on here. They just have a better platform than all of us, mainly due to having attended the right private school or having a relative involved in AFL somewhere to help them get a foothold in the industry.

Then you have the former footballer pundits with (a) an axe to grind against us - These include the likes of David King or (b) the ones that aren’t very bright - Josh Jenkins

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Josh Jenkins

Age
35

Ht

200cm

Wt
108kg

Pos.
F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D
12.9

3

K
9.1

4

HB
3.8

3

M
5.1

5

T
2.4

4

G
2.1

5

No current season stats available

D
11.0

3

K
7.6

3

HB
3.4

3

M
4.6

5

T
1.2

3

G
1.6

5

or Cameron Ling or Jobe Watson would be a prime example in this category.

There would be 2-3 pundits in the Mainstream footy media I rate, based purely on their explored form as pundits and nothing whatsoever to do with their ability as a player or coach.
Nathan Buckley
Kane Cornes (except if he’s talking about Port Adelaide)
Montagna (despite his slight bias towards us)
Will Schofield

31

Will Schofield

Age
35

Ht

196cm

Wt
94kg

Pos.
Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D
10.6

3

K
6.5

3

HB
4.1

3

M
3.9

4

T
1.8

4

MG
154.0

2

D
5.0

1

K
2.5

1

HB
2.5

2

M
0.5

1

T
1.5

2

MG
70.5

1

D
7.4

2

K
5.4

2

HB
2.0

2

M
3.2

4

T
1.8

4

That’s about it really. I dont care what the rest say. They don’t know Jack s**t, especially about Freo.
Also agree that’s it’s great to be written off by all and sundry. Just great. Much better for our young team.

I like those guys too

estibador · Mar 13, 2023

Van_Dyke said:
i can't wait to see Bevo either
a. play all the talls up there and persist with it for weeks despite the lack of forward pressure they'll have
and/or
b. play multiple talls who they've invested heavily in $ or draft position out of position

You forgot the best option:

c. realise it's not working and send Lobb back to the reserves

stax on the mull · Mar 13, 2023

I listen to the Footyology one that comes out on Wed's with Rohan Connolly and Rodney Eade this season.

They pretty much had the same ladder as the one Robbo put out above. Only difference was Eade made a call between Carlton and Richmond for a spot in the 8 and thought Richmond might miss the 8 (didn't think their GWS recruits were the right fit for their team) .

Jaymie Graham with Duffield on SEN this morning. Duffield asking much the same questions about selection that have been coming up in the vs St Kilda Rd 1 match preview thread and doesn't reveal anything other than there's a lot of possibilities they're still weighing up for selection.

Wilksyy · Mar 14, 2023

How is the new Duff pod?

Vintage · Mar 14, 2023

holybishop said:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/robbo-why-football-will-be-pandemonium-in-2023/news-story/3e22557db9102a60811e0b9e6b074bcd

MARK ROBINSON'S PROJECTED 2023 LADDER
1. Geelong
Have the talent and the gameplan - all they need is hunger and the September Gods smiling on them at the end of the year.
2. Brisbane
Two words. No excuses.
3. Melbourne
They look locked and loaded and could easily do it. ‘Gawndy’ will be fascinating.
4. Collingwood
Please coach, more blitzkrieg footy. And with the same luck they’ll better their preliminary final finish from 2022.
5. Richmond
A lot of ‘ifs’ about the Tigers. If the recruits fire, if Dusty is back and if the old boys can last the season.
6. Sydney
Couldn’t leave them out of the eight but not sure where they’ll finish. Could they be scarred?
7. Western Bulldogs
Could win it all and I’ve got them seventh - that’s how tight 2023 will be.
8. Fremantle
Won a final last year after a long build, which started with Ross Lyon, my darkhorse for the top four.
9. Carlton
Not as bullish as others on the Blues but might be wrong. Can they meet their expectations?
10. Port Adelaide
Everyone is looking at Kenny and his team - what are they going to deliver?
11. Gold Coast
Ben King could be the recruit of the year and like the Crows no more excuses for the Suns.
12. Adelaide
It’s time Adelaide, the build nears completion so results are expected.
13. Essendon
Brad Scott says they will defend but the proof will be in the pudding.
14. St Kilda
Injury wrecked before the start will make it very difficult in Ross Lyon’s first season.
15. GWS
The hardest team to gauge. Kelly, Whitfield, Coniglio could have a lease of life.
16. North Melbourne
There’s excitement around North Melbourne but that doesn’t equate to wins.
17. West Coast
Vying for the spoon but they say they’re fitter.
18. Hawthorn
Will be a long season for the youngsters. No Mitch Lewis for a while hurts.

Robbo is still on us and is not on Carlton. He's far too bullish on Richmond though.

Too similar to 2022 ladder.

FreoRicci · Mar 14, 2023

Since this is the media thread, Who's the likely candidates to replace Old Bull and (Overrated, Overpaid) Young Buck?
No one really stands out. Wouldn't mind Ryan who I think is a talker and perhaps Cox being the two amigos..

gaskin · Mar 14, 2023

FreoRicci said:
Since this is the media thread, Who's the likely candidates to replace Old Bull and (Overrated, Overpaid) Young Buck?
No one really stands out. Wouldn't mind Ryan who I think is a talker and perhaps Cox being the two amigos..

NOD. I actually would like one with both of them. The sister was brilliant when they did the collab last season.

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